Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

[QUOTE=The Real JW]Well, we can't know that race was the key factor in Zimmerman's mind. Looking from the outside in it might appear that way, but Zimmerman didn't bring up race on the call until he was specifically asked by the dispatcher. And in the tone of his voice he sounds uncertain when he first answers.

7:09:59 PM [B]Dispatch[/B]: "OK, and this guy— is he white, black, or Hispanic?"
7:10:02 PM [B]Zimmerman[/B]: "He [I]looks[/I] black." [COLOR="Red"](unsure tone)[/COLOR]
7:10:04 PM [B]Dispatch[/B]: "Did you see what he was wearing?"
...[COLOR="Red"] (a few moments later, Trayvon walks closer and George gets a better view of him)[/COLOR]
7:10:32 PM [B]Zimmerman[/B]: "Yeah, now he's coming towards me."
7:10:33 PM [B]Dispatch[/B]: "OK."
7:10:37 PM [B]Zimmerman[/B]: "He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male." [COLOR="Red"](confirming his initial assumption to the dispatcher)[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

"unsure tone"??



the red is basically your interpretation of Zimmerman's words.. The people defending Zimmerman's actions keep bringing the "blacks" who committed crimes in the area.. That is racial profiling if his defenders are to be believed..

[QUOTE=RidonKs]can somebody comment on how the jury instruction 'systematically excluded racism' from the proceedings that i've heard so much about? mostly a unilateral decision by the judge yea? thats the big point the naacp is making anyway, along with a few other gruops and outspoken critics. jus curious about what specific charges could have been made by the prosecution that could have led to a conviction, would they just fall under some standard state hate crime law or what, etc[/QUOTE]


from what I read, it was stipulated that the prosecution couldnt use the term "racial" profiling.. They could say zimmerman profiled him.

I also think the prosecution decided they werent gonna mention the race angle anyway.. Some of them said it would have turned the jury off..

Maybe they are right :confusedshrug:

I dont think there is enough evidence to prove a hate crime.. Maybe the feds can do a civil rights case... but I dont see where there is a hate crime case

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]"unsure tone"??

the red is basically your interpretation of Zimmerman's words.. The people defending Zimmerman's actions keep bringing the "blacks" who committed crimes in the area.. That is racial profiling if his defenders are to be believed..[/QUOTE]

You don't hear the tone of his voice I'm talking about when he says that? If he were certain about Trayvon's race when the dispatcher first asks him, I think he would have just said "Yeah, he's black." and wouldn't need to volunteer that a second time later in the call in apparent confirmation.

I just personally haven't seen any actual evidence that this specific incident was motivated by race. For either of the two parties involved. Some people say that Trayvon saying "creepy ass cracker" is evidence of race being on his mind, and I disagree there too. I think race has been injected into this by external parties, largely the media.

To bona fide racists like Rasheed, everything is about race. Everything boils down to race.

[QUOTE]from what I read, it was stipulated that the prosecution couldnt use the term "racial" profiling.. They could say zimmerman profiled him.

I also think the prosecution decided they werent gonna mention the race angle anyway.. Some of them said it would have turned the jury off..[/QUOTE]
huh. i guess i just dont see how even demonstrating zimmerman's racial motives would have any bearing on the jury's verdict considering the reasoning behind it and the charges they went after. could the naacp just be making a big deal out of nothing?? lol

maybe theres a more substantive argument im missing here

[QUOTE=RidonKs]could the naacp just be making a big deal out of nothing??[/QUOTE]

Shocker.

[QUOTE=The Real JW]You don't hear the tone of his voice I'm talking about when he says that? If he were certain about Trayvon's race when the dispatcher first asks him, I think he would have just said "Yeah, he's black." and wouldn't need to volunteer that a second time later in the call in apparent confirmation.

I just personally haven't seen any actual evidence that this specific incident was motivated by race. For either of the two parties involved. Some people say that Trayvon saying "creepy ass cracker" is evidence of race being on his mind, and I disagree there too. I think race has been injected into this by external parties, largely the media.[/QUOTE]


I would agree with you partially... I think all the side "evidence" if you wanna call it that contributes to the notions that people have..

There are stories of how zimmerman's family behaves (and it is corroborated by some of the comments his dad makes and his brother too).. There is the stories about Zimmerman calling the dispatch hundreds of times..always when he sees black males.. One as young as 9 years old..

If you look simply at the the evidence allowed into the trial, then there isnt enough to say he did anything specifically based on race.. I personally think it is obvious, but that is my opinion.. I can also see that there is nothing solid enough to point to.. You can infer what he meant by "f*cking punks they always get away" but you cannot be certain..

its one of the reasons he was found not guilty, because the evidence is a bit too vague to believe beyond a reasonable doubt.

[QUOTE=RidonKs]huh. i guess i just dont see how even demonstrating zimmerman's racial motives would have any bearing on the jury's verdict considering the reasoning behind it and the charges they went after. could the naacp just be making a big deal out of nothing?? lol

maybe theres a more substantive argument im missing here[/QUOTE]


I think it is water under the bridge at this point..... the prosecution made their decision on how they would approach the case and they pursued the way they felt was best. Considering the evidence they put forth and jury they had? I think leaning on the race angle too heavily would have been a bad idea..

I think they could have done more in other areas to prove zimmerman's story was a crock, but they failed, and he walks..

the public has to simply live with it..

The media doctored 911 tapes and pictures to create public outcry. The real trayvon Martin, the so-called child who was suspended 10 days from school for being in possesion of stolen jewelery and burglary tools, has been exposed. rest in Peace. Possession is 9/10 of the Law. The first thing trayvons lawyer did was to file a junction to seal trayvons school records. Smart lawyer...

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]the red is basically your interpretation of Zimmerman's words.. The people defending Zimmerman's actions keep bringing the "blacks" who committed crimes in the area.. That is racial profiling if his defenders are to be believed..[/QUOTE]


I understand peoples' issues with profiling and all that and I know it goes on however ..

if the neighborhood is being terrorized and the perps doing the terrorizing have all been black .. don't you think it's normal to take notice if you see a drugged up, hoodied black guy standing in front of a house that was recently targeted ? ..

I mean if you tell me the neighborhood was being terrorized by a bunch of white boys and he's here taking notice of this black kid then I would be more inclined to see the side of the 'racial profiling' crowd .. not in this case though

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]The media doctored 911 tapes and pictures to create public outcry. The real trayvon Martin, the so-called child who was suspended 10 days from school for being in possesion of stolen jewelery and burglary tools, has been exposed. rest in Peace. Possession is 9/10 of the Law. The first thing trayvons lawyer did was to file a junction to seal trayvons school records. Smart lawyer...

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

lol oh the media .. he went from scary rapist to angelic looking

[QUOTE=ReturnofJPR]The media doctored 911 tapes and pictures to create public outcry. The real trayvon Martin, the so-called child who was suspended 10 days from school for being in possesion of stolen jewelery and burglary tools, has been exposed. rest in Peace. Possession is 9/10 of the Law. The first thing trayvons lawyer did was to file a junction to seal trayvons school records. Smart lawyer...

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


his school records should have been sealed.. It has nothing to with the fact that he was murdered...

If you get murdered tonight, your online posts should probably be kept out of court or it might prejudice the jury against you

[QUOTE=dude77]I understand peoples' issues with profiling and all that and I know it goes on however ..

if the neighborhood is being terrorized and the perps doing the terrorizing have all been black .. don't you think it's normal to take notice if you see a drugged up, hoodied black guy standing in front of a house that was recently targeted ? ..

I mean if you tell me the neighborhood was being terrorized by a bunch of white boys and he's here taking notice of this black kid then I would more inclined to see the side of the 'racial profiling' crowd .. not in this case though[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the argument is that it should take more than race to make someone a suspect..

If a child gets raped by a pedo, or there is a serial killer on the loose? you cant just harass every white guy you see because they supposedly are the ones who do that stuff..

it violates the rights of a lot of innocent people before you actually spot an actual criminal..

Like I said, if Trayvon is checking car doors to see which ones are unlocked, or if he is on someone's property trying to get in their window... then you have every right to focus on him and peg him as a criminal.. he has to actually be doing something really suspicious though..

The media chose to give us only an image of Mr. Martin from years earlier. they did this to make him out to be perfectly innocent whatever reality he wasn't. The media chose to take a picture of him as a child when he was much younger and they did that for a reason. Another:

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon_martin-01.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=dude77]lol oh the media .. he went from scary rapist to angelic looking[/QUOTE]

Notice how they made Trayvon Martin whiter.

[IMG]http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg[/IMG]

Does whiter = not guilty in the medias eyes? They took his black away.