The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]basketball is a sport that naturally privileges players who plays closer to the rim and occupies the frontcourt because of its idosyncracies and structure. Naturally a shooting guard should have lesser impact on the game than a small forward or power forward. The fact that MJ was able to approximate Lebron's stats from the SG position while still allowing another SF to contribute to the team is significant in and of itself.

All stats needed to be weighted by positions when analyzing value added accounting for team composition.[/QUOTE]

This, plus Jordan played much better off the ball, allowing his teammates to play better.

If Jordan's front court competition in 1995, aka Shaq & Horace, played in today's NBA, they'd be dominating even more than they did in the '90s, so mentioning that LBJ has done more with a lesser front court doesn't mean shit.
As a matter of fact, put Jordan's Bulls in the same playoff match-ups as LBJ's Heat. You think Roy Hibbert, a 7'2" C who can't even average 10 boards, would do as well against them in the ECF?

[QUOTE=DaHeezy]That Cavs team is a mess minus Lebron. I find Jordan is in that similar mold as AI (not saying they're the same player) in which the team needs to have elite role players for him to thrive. Is he capable of carrying this team? Absolutely. But I don't think the team would strive had Jordan have to fill out roles as a facilitator, the primary and only defender, and have to work within the post, not to mention the coaching style.
carry the team? Likely, finals? Longshot.[/QUOTE]

Ummm Lebron was an average defender and barely even played in the post at the time.

the only real difference and this is a fact that jordan never lost the finals

its stupid thing to say that a player loses a playoff round who cares about losing the playoffs?

some of the greatest players never even reach the finals for crying out loud..

that stupid argument is for kids that losing a playoff round is equal to losing a ring.

let lebron be one of the greatest in his era... but so far no one has passed MJ ...

[QUOTE=Bandito]

Mj played against vets like the Lakers led Magic, Sonics, Jazz and the Blazers, all led by legends like Magic, the glove, the maillman and Stockton,and Drexler. All future and/or current HOF.[/QUOTE]

-Kareem was retired and the Lakers were old/aged.

-If your going to talk shit about the Spurs team LeBron just beat, the Jazzs two stars (Stockton and Malone) were both 35 years old. :roll: This Jazz team was far from the best. They were much better in the 80s, but never made the Finals because the league was better then.

-Every other team had only one star(Glove, Drexler, Ewing) compared to the Bulls who had two MVP caliber players in MJ/Scottie along with Phil Jackson the greatest coach ever, and Rodman, the GOAT rebounder.

Sorry, but I'm more impressed with LeBron winning the 2012 Finals as the underdog against three future hall of famers in their prime(Durant,Westbrook,Harden)and the 2013 Finals where LeBron beat Duncan(still the best big in basketball), Prime Parker, Greg Popovich coached team despite poor performances from Wade/Bosh for most of the series.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Because the 2010 CAVS and the 2011 Cavs were the exact same team minus Lebron :facepalm

The 2010 Cavs starting 5 minus Lebron played a combined 0 minutes together in 2011

In 2011 there was no Shaq, no Big Z, no Delonte, no JJ Hickson, no Danny Green, Andy V got hurt for the season 30 games in, Mo was hurt and traded 30 games in, no mike brown

So they lost their starting Center, their 6th man, their back up Center, their back up power forward, lost Andy V 30 games in on top of losing their big man depth they lost their head coach who had turned them into a defensive juggernaut.

Alot of other things happened other than losing Lebron[/QUOTE]

If LeBron stays Cleveland is still the premier contender in the East and winning 50+ games despite all of that. Noone wants to play on a Cleveland team that doesn't have LeBron. Thats the impact this guy has.

I think Jordan is the GOAT but i also have to say that tonymontana is making some good points unlike most people who are just trolling in this thread because they don't agree with him.

[QUOTE=Rose'sACL]I think Jordan is the GOAT but i also have to say that tonymontana is making some good points unlike most people who are just trolling in this thread because they don't agree with him.[/QUOTE]
What has the pro Jordan side stated that you consider trolling?

The difference is Jordan is 24-0 in series with HCA and 14-0 vs 50+ win teams while Lebron is 2-3 in series with HCA vs 50+ win teams. Not to mention one guy brought a franchise a dynasty that had never won anything prior to him arriving while the other joined forces with a guy in his city who won a title as the man already and gave that franchise it's first title and is playing with a guy who performs better than him in the finals as well in Wade. Not to mention one guy was never down 3-2 with HCA while the other guy lost 3 years in a row with it and was down in back to back years 3-2 with HCA.

And using the Cleveland and Chicago is inaccurate. The better example is the 1998 Bulls to the 1999 Bulls and the 2010 Cavs to the 2011 Cavs since neither team was in there prime and also each team lost its top players with Cleveland losing a 3x finals MVP winner as well.

The difference is that Jordan can only be somewhat slowed down by absolute GOAT level defenses because his skill-set is perfect. Meanwhile, LeBron can be severely contained or shut down by merely good defenses like the 2011 Mavs or 2013 Spurs, because of his mediocre and extremely inconsistent mid-range/shot and post-game. Also, Jordan was much less ball-dominant and a far better off-ball player, which game him greater portability and ways to attack defenses that LBJ simply doesn't have.

[QUOTE]Kareem was retired and the Lakers were old/aged.[/QUOTE]
How old were Magic, Worthy, Scott, Green, Divac, and Perkins?

[QUOTE]Sorry, but I'm more impressed with LeBron winning the 2012 Finals as the underdog against three future hall of famers in their prime(Durant,Westbrook,Harden)and the 2013 Finals where LeBron beat Duncan(still the best big in basketball), Prime Parker, Greg Popovich coached team despite poor performances from Wade/Bosh for most of the series.[/QUOTE]
What was so impressive about the Heats run? In 2012, they beat an old Boston Celtic team, then an inexperienced and green OKC Thunder squad. Then in 2013, they beat an the Bulls without their best player in Derrick Rose, needed seven games to dispatch the Pacers who didnt have their best player in Danny Granger, then needed seven games to beat an old Spurs squad.

Its posts like the one I just responded to that has you marked as a troll and threatening being banned.

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What was so impressive about the Heats run? In 2012, they beat an old Boston Celtic team, then an inexperienced and green OKC Thunder squad. Then in 2013, they beat an the Bulls without their best player in Derrick Rose, needed seven games to dispatch the Pacers who didnt have their best player in Danny Granger, then needed seven games to beat an old Spurs squad.

Its posts like the one I just responded to that has you marked as a troll and threatening being banned.[/QUOTE]

How can you speak of trolls and then make an insecure troll post like this?

That Celtic team was the number 2 defensive team in The NBA, allowed the 2nd fewest points in the league anchored by Kevin Garnett. Along with the league leader in assist Rondon and solid defensive player himself.

And after losing 3 straight games to the mighty Celtics LeBron comes back and delivers a game that only Legends are made off: 45pts 15reb 5ast on 73% fg while Wade was complete trash as his second best player shooting 35% fg and 17pts. LeBron single handedly won this game vs The 2nd best defensive team in the league.


You also try and downplay the Thunder? Claiming inexperience? :oldlol: Please, the most laughable excuse known to man, as if this team forgot how to play basketball in the NBA just because its the Finals. Truth is LeBron owned 2 top 10 players in Durant and Westbrook who just came off 3 dominating series wins against the Likes of a defending Champion Dirk led squad in the Mavs, then beat a Kobe/Gasol led known winners Lakers team, and then a known winner Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Greg Popovic led Spurs! Where was the "inexperienced" comments for those wins huh? None because they were top in their conference and expected to win. So after defeating those opponents to get to the finals, how are they all of a sudden inexperienced??

Same with The Spurs, they may have been old, but they were good. It's why they breezed through everyones young up and coming darling Grizzlies and Warriors and had the defensive system to contain LeBron for alot if the series untill LeBron showed his greatness in game 6 (headband game) and game 7 (close out game domination) against one of the greatest franchises of an era.

Sorry Jordan stan, you are the one trolling.:no:

[QUOTE=Dionysus]How can you speak of trolls and then make an insecure troll post like this?

That Celtic team was the number 2 defensive team in The NBA, allowed the 2nd fewest points in the league anchored by Kevin Garnett. Along with the league leader in assist Rondon and solid defensive player himself.

And after losing 3 straight games to the mighty Celtics LeBron comes back and delivers a game that only Legends are made off: 45pts 15reb 5ast on 73% fg while Wade was complete trash as his second best player shooting 35% fg and 17pts. LeBron single handedly won this game vs The 2nd best defensive team in the league.


You also try and downplay the Thunder? Claiming inexperience? :oldlol: Please, the most laughable excuse known to man, as if this team forgot how to play basketball in the NBA just because its the Finals. Truth is LeBron owned 2 top 10 players in Durant and Westbrook who just came off 3 dominating series wins against the Likes of a defending Champion Dirk led squad in the Mavs, then beat a Kobe/Gasol led known winners Lakers team, and then a known winner Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Greg Popovic led Spurs! Where was the "inexperienced" comments for those wins huh? None because they were top in their conference and expected to win. So after defeating those opponents to get to the finals, how are they all of a sudden inexperienced??

Same with The Spurs, they may have been old, but they were good. It's why they breezed through everyones young up and coming darling Grizzlies and Warriors and had the defensive system to contain LeBron for alot if the series untill LeBron showed his greatness in game 6 (headband game) and game 7 (close out game domination) against one of the greatest franchises of an era.

Sorry Jordan stan, you are the one trolling.:no:[/QUOTE]

Your desperation to feel like you are witnessing something "jordanesque" is one of the cutest things I have ever seen. Talking about a "headband game" :roll: A headband being removed from his head is now being put as a "flu game" like scenario :roll:

****ing classic

I'm grateful that I grew up watching the GOAT , nothing will ever come close. Sorry man

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Your desperation to feel like you are witnessing something "jordanesque" is one of the cutest things I have ever seen. Talking about a "headband game" :roll: A headband being removed from his head is now being put as a "flu game" like scenario :roll:

****ing classic

I'm grateful that I grew up watching the GOAT , nothing will ever come close. Sorry man[/QUOTE]

This is how they respond when they have no solution for the ether:lol :lol :lol

Also, we are not witnessing anything Jordan-esque (being a overrated shotjacker surrounded by stacked teams and GOAT coach). This is LeBron-Esque/In the moment greatness.

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[QUOTE=Dionysus]This is how they respond when they have no solution for the ether:lol :lol :lol

Also, we are not witnessing anything Jordan-esque (being a overrated shotjacker surrounded by stacked teams and GOAT coach). This is LeBron-Esque/In the moment greatness.[/QUOTE]

What you don't understand is that you are applying a Jordan mold to everything you say about Lebron, then you call out people "brainwashed by Jordan."

Continue, this is somewhat entertaining...

[COLOR="White"]jk, you are an awful poster and I hope you get banned[/COLOR]