prime dirk vs current durant?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Of course. That is why I said 03 was your best bet. If Dirk doesn't go down...I actually think the mavs would have won.

Again...they had talent...it was the wrong kind though. It would be like having Durant, Harden, Westbrook, and Curry on the Thunder in 12. Although that's better than what the Mavs had in 03...you get the point.

It's not always just about raw talent. Winning with no center or defense is really hard. the Mavs might have been able to do it in 03, but my point was that I would have gladly traded finley for a defensive big. The thunder team had loads of talent and was properly built for playoff success.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if they'll win it, but it'll be a closer competition. They odds would've been more in their favor if Dirk didn't get hurt.

I think the Mavs needed a better coach to manage the talent together than anything else. They did need a better defensive center or a defensive player.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]And I honestly don't know what you are talking about with Bradley in 03.

He gave us 7/6/1 in the regular season and 3/4/0 in the playoffs. Perkins gave the Thunder 5/7/1 in the regular season and 5/6/1 in the playoffs. I just don't think there is any difference at all in those guys...[/QUOTE]

Because Bradley played lesser minutes, but his production was better or same. He averaged like 21 mpg to Perkins 27 minutes. Bradley got like 2.1 blocks comparison to 1.1 blocks. He was one of the best shot blockers in the league, and solid rim protection. He also rebound better within his minutes than Perkins. That's what the Mavs got him was because of they hoped he'll play defense. His problem was he was injury prone and the coaches didn't know how to handle him. He wasn't good on offense, but he was better than Perkins. He wasn't great at defense like a Ben Wallace or Mutombo, but he was very solid and better than Perkins.

[QUOTE=Black and White]Who would you rather have tho, Juwan Howard or Serge Ibaka?[/QUOTE]

Depends on the team. Unless we're talking Ibaka beyond 12 then I would take Ibaka all the way.

The Mavs needed Ibaka more than they needed Juwan Hoard tho.

[QUOTE=Black and White]Yep i agree with you and see your point, if you take out Dirks playoff run LeBron and Durant were 1 and 2.[/QUOTE]

:lol

Even with that playoff run Dirk wasn't even top 5 that season

[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]:lol

Even with that playoff run Dirk wasn't even top 5 that season[/QUOTE]

I would put him in the top 5 that season, but thats just my opinion, he played so well and i just cant ignore it. But if you dont want to include him in there thats fine also.

[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]:lol

Even with that playoff run Dirk wasn't even top 5 that season[/QUOTE]

No, he was.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]No, he was.[/QUOTE]
Zero case for top 2, though.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]No, he was.[/QUOTE]

I don't think he was consider top 5 until afterwards or during his playoff run. I think most ppl had (no order)

LeBron
Wade
Howard
Kobe
Rose (mvp)
Durant

Something along those lines. Nobody really expected Dirk to go off like that. He didn't even made the all nba first team that year. Durant and LeBron beat him.

Dirk was the best player in 11 and 2nd in 06 to Kobe. The Heat having the most preferential bias in ref history doesnt change that. Dirk murdered the #1 defense in the league in the 1st round, output more offense than prime Nash against the Suns and outplayed Duncan all in one playoff.

He also saw more double and triples than Wade who Dallas was using against Shaq. Dirk also has many other years as top 5 easy and the top 5 in that era was way more stacked than this year u had prime Shaq, KG, Duncan, Kobe T mac etc

[QUOTE=Micku]I don't think he was consider top 5 until afterwards or during his playoff run. I think most ppl had (no order)

LeBron
[B]Wade[/B]
Howard
Kobe
Rose (mvp)
Durant

Something along those lines. Nobody really expected Dirk to go off like that. He didn't even made the all nba first team that year. Durant and LeBron beat him.[/QUOTE]

:biggums: Everyone else ok, but not him.

[QUOTE=Black and White]:biggums: Everyone else ok, but not him.[/QUOTE]

Wade was easily a top 5 player in 2011

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Wade was easily a top 5 player in 2011[/QUOTE]

Your entitled to your opinion, but i disagree. I think it was (in no order)

Lebron
Durant
Dirk
Kobe
Rose

[QUOTE=Black and White]:biggums: Everyone else ok, but not him.[/QUOTE]

*laughs* Why not? This was 2011. People constantly mentioned how Wade and LeBron were top 3-5. Wade had the numbers to back it up.

But if you don't think so, then that's ok.

[QUOTE=Micku]*laughs* Why not? This was 2011. People constantly mentioned how Wade and LeBron were top 3-5. Wade had the numbers to back it up.

But if you don't think so, then that's ok.[/QUOTE]

Wade was really good that year, no doubt, but i cant make a case for him over the 5 i mentioned

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Wade was easily a top 5 player in 2011[/QUOTE]

This. I had him, Dirk, or Dwight as MVP that season.

[QUOTE=Black and White]Wade was really good that year, no doubt, but i cant make a case for him over the 5 i mentioned[/QUOTE]
Howard wasn't top 5 in 2011? Really? Come on. If someone is going to be left out, it's Rose, regardless of his MVP.

[QUOTE=moe94]Howard wasn't top 5 in 2011? Really? Come on. If someone is going to be left out, it's Rose, regardless of his MVP.[/QUOTE]

Yup. That's what I think too.