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[QUOTE=fpliii]How far out was he? [B]Is it like a drive and kick?[/B][/QUOTE]
It might be the best term for it, looks like a pick and roll the way Wilt rolls except the guard does all the dirty work because no screen set or anything. I'm rendering the clip right now and gonna post the link - you tell me what you think because there are several clips similar and I'm kind of on the fence which category to put them in
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]It might be the best term for it, the guard does all the dirty work Wilt just rolls in, no screen set or anything. I'm rendering the clip right now and gonna post the link - you tell me what you think because there are several clips similar and I'm kind of on the fence which category to put them in[/QUOTE]
Okay, sounds good. If they're anything like this:
[url]http://www.nba.com/video/games/pelicans/2013/11/05/0021300055-phx-nop-play4.nba/[/url]
I'd go with drive and dish instead.
[QUOTE=fpliii]Okay, sounds good. If they're anything like this:
[url]http://www.nba.com/video/games/pelicans/2013/11/05/0021300055-phx-nop-play4.nba/[/url]
I'd go with drive and dish instead.[/QUOTE]
Drive and dish is what it is, best suited for the 2 man game section then?
[url]http://youtu.be/-Cy2fcBcIyU[/url]
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Drive and dish is what it is, best suited for the 2 man game section then?
[url]http://youtu.be/-Cy2fcBcIyU[/url][/QUOTE]
I'd say so yeah. Cool play.
BTW Cavs, and maybe you are doing it, but I would include footage from his college days. The reason being that in the (limited) footage we have of Chamberlain in his college days, he had range of 15+ ft, including jump shots. I am certain that Wilt carried that skill-set into the NBA in his early seasons.
And, just as your college (and HS) footage of Kareem proved, these guys were ultra-skilled centers coming into the NBA. And, incidently, Carl Braun made the same comment in Wilt's early years, as well.
But here again, we are only going to have the "tip of the iceberg" in what Chamberlain actually displayed. There are just too many eye-witness accounts of all of the many amazing feats that he accomplished on a basketball court, to assume that the footage you have (which has proven to be a godsend) is truly indicative of just how dominant Wilt was.
As Fresco mentioned, I suspect that he was blocking shots with his fingertips at the top of the backboard, or grabbing rebounds from well above the basket, or taking lob passes at near top-of -the backboard levels and slamming them. And considering how many baskets he made in his NBA career, and using Braun's analogy, I suspect that he was routinely hitting 15+ foot shots early on, as well as hitting 12+ ft sweeping hooks.
But, you can only showcase what you have, and I guess we should all be thankful for that.
:cheers:
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]BTW Cavs, and maybe you are doing it, but I would include footage from his college days. The reason being that in the (limited) footage we have of Chamberlain in his college days, he had range of 15+ ft, including jump shots. I am certain that Wilt carried that skill-set into the NBA in his early seasons.
And, just as your college (and HS) footage of Kareem proved, these guys were ultra-skilled centers coming into the NBA. And, incidently, Carl Braun made the same comment in Wilt's early years, as well.
But here again, we are only going to have the "tip of the iceberg" in what Chamberlain actually displayed. There are just too many eye-witness accounts of all of the many amazing feats that he accomplished on a basketball court, to assume that the footage you have (which has proven to be a godsend) is truly indicative of just how dominant Wilt was.
As Fresco mentioned, I suspect that he was blocking shots with his fingertips at the top of the backboard, or grabbing rebounds from well above the basket, or taking lob passes at near top-of -the backboard levels and slamming them. And considering how many baskets he made in his NBA career, and using Braun's analogy, I suspect that he was routinely hitting 15+ foot shots early on, as well as hitting 12+ ft sweeping hooks.
But, you can only showcase what you have, and I guess we should all be thankful for that.
:cheers:[/QUOTE]
It's up to CavsFTW obviously but I think it's probably better if he keeps the college footage separate (since the purpose of the video is to give an idea of how he played offensively in the NBA). He was dominant in college (and in the NBA obviously) but it's not the same.
[QUOTE=fpliii]It's up to CavsFTW obviously but I think it's probably better if he keeps the college footage separate (since the purpose of the video is to give an idea of how he played offensively in the NBA). He was dominant in college (and in the NBA obviously) but it's not the same.[/QUOTE]
Normally I would agree. However, there is practically zero footage of an early NBA Wilt. But, there are several near-full games of Wilt in college (and only in his soph season I believe.) And in those games, Chamberlain demonstrates a very developed range of 15+ feet. Hell, his FT form was significantly better than what he would have from the mid-60's on.
Again, I already knew what KAJ looked like in College (I saw a ton of his games on TV), but I was actually as impressed with Cavs HS footage of him. And I think it would be appropriate to showcase Wilt's college skillset as at least some kind of indication of what an early NBA Chamberlain must have been playing like.
And, yes, I am aware that the Wilt-bashers will scoff at Wilt's college competition, but that would not be the point. Virtually everyone knows that Chamberlain destroyed his NBA competition, so who cares if his skill set is displayed against inferior college competition? If a world class sprinter sets a world record running against a bunch of scrubs, does it negate the world record?
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Normally I would agree. However, there is practically zero footage of an early NBA Wilt. But, there are several near-full games of Wilt in college (and only in his soph season I believe.) And in those games, Chamberlain demonstrates a very developed range of 15+ feet. Hell, his FT form was significantly better than what he would have from the mid-60's on.
Again, I already knew what KAJ looked like in College (I saw a ton of his games on TV), but I was actually as impressed with Cavs HS footage of him. And I think it would be appropriate to showcase Wilt's college skillset as at least some kind of indication of what an early NBA Chamberlain must have been playing like.
And, yes, I am aware that the Wilt-bashers will scoff at Wilt's college competition, but that would not be the point. Virtually everyone knows that Chamberlain destroyed his NBA competition, so who cares if his skill set is displayed against inferior college competition? If a world class sprinter sets a world record running against a bunch of scrubs, does it negate the world record?[/QUOTE]
Hm, I'm not sure. I see where you're coming from, but I think it's dicey. Maybe he can make it an addendum at the end or a separate video? If it's mostly the jumper and FT shooting, Cavs wouldn't need to interweave the footage.
[QUOTE=fpliii]Hm, I'm not sure. I see where you're coming from, but I think it's dicey. Maybe he can make it an addendum at the end or a separate video? If it's mostly the jumper and FT shooting, Cavs wouldn't need to interweave the footage.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://wiltfan.tripod.com/quotes.html[/url]
Carl Braun said "He [Wilt] disorganizes you under the basket the same way [as Bill Russell, on defense]. With Wilt, of course, there's that offense on top of it, which is better than Russell's. He hit on all those jumpers."
"Yes, Wilt hit on those jumpers...Wilt did come into the league with a good touch from the outside, which made his early scoring that much more significant. He wasn't just dunking the ball then."
--Red Holzman. A View from the Bench. P.70
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS][url]http://wiltfan.tripod.com/quotes.html[/url]
Carl Braun said "He [Wilt] disorganizes you under the basket the same way [as Bill Russell, on defense]. With Wilt, of course, there's that offense on top of it, which is better than Russell's. He hit on all those jumpers."
"Yes, Wilt hit on those jumpers...Wilt did come into the league with a good touch from the outside, which made his early scoring that much more significant. He wasn't just dunking the ball then."
--Red Holzman. A View from the Bench. P.70[/QUOTE]
Was it extra range on his fadeaway from the post, or was it a designed jumpshot?
[QUOTE=fpliii]Was it extra range on his fadeaway from the post, or was it a designed jumpshot?[/QUOTE]
There is college footage of a pure jump shot...
I apologize to cavsFan, but I have this saved and it is faster for me to pull up...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak[/url]
take a look at around the 20-30 second marks...TWO jumpshots.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]There is college footage of a pure jump shot...
I apologize to cavsFan, but I have this saved and it is faster for me to pull up...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak[/url]
take a look at around the 20-30 second marks...TWO jumpshots.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the link. It's up to CavsFTW, obviously.
BTW when did he lose his range? I've heard 63-64 (when he bulked up) and 66-67 (when he stopped shooting the fadeaway).
BTW, did Fatal9 ever post something like that? Nope, he deliberately edited what little footage there was of two partial games in which Chamberlain played (and as CavsFan showed, Wilt was in bad shape in one), and tries to come off as claiming that THAT was Wilt's post moves...
[QUOTE=fpliii]Thanks for the link. It's up to CavsFTW, obviously.
BTW when did he lose his range? I've heard 63-64 (when he bulked up) and 66-67 (when he stopped shooting the fadeaway).[/QUOTE]
Let's just say he became more selective. Hell, there is footage of a 35 year old Wilt hitting 12 foot fadeaway bank shots in the Finals...
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]BTW, did Fatal9 ever post something like that? Nope, he deliberately edited what little footage there was of two partial games in which Chamberlain played (and as CavsFan showed, [B]Wilt was in bad shape in one[/B]), and tries to come off as claiming that THAT was Wilt's post moves...[/QUOTE]
OT - I actually wasn't originally aware of the injury in 67, so when I read the posts originally I though you guys were referencing him getting hurt in G4 of the 64 Finals (the other in the mix, evidently).
From the Oakland Tribune:
[QUOTE]"We've beaten them in Boston Garden" added center Wilt Chamberlain, whose hand was badly bruised and swollen from a collision with the lower edge of the backboard in the second quarter.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Despite his bruised hand, Wilt will be ready to go tomorrow