Religion aside, abortion is wrong. All babies deserve a chance to live

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I generally can't take most anti abortion people seriously because they typically refuse to address the following issues:

A. You can say that people shouldn't have sex unless they're willing to take care of a child all you want to but the urge to procreate is THE strongest urge in all lifeforms. As such, human beings will always do it, whether you like it or not. However, being that human beings have a unique societal structure when compared to other high life forms, they don't always want/ or are able to handle the results.

Many children are born into abusive environments where they are resented because the mother didn't really want the child, didn't have the ability to take care of it, etc. This leads to all sorts of societal problems.

Because you don't LIKE that people will have sex, and unwanted pregnancies will spawn from it doesn't change the fact that they will happen. You're basically trying to stop nature. While I don't AGREE with people recklessly having sex, I have to accept that it will always be the case as long as there are human beings, and we have to deal with those results. And sometimes, that is the unpleasant issue of abortion.

B. Making abortion illegal will only lead to back alley abortions, and you can also bet that those with the means will go to other places where abortion is legal so that their 15 year olds' life isn't ruined. So basically, it will become a situation where those who can afford it will be able to, and the poor will not. Basically you will have women killed from botched procedures, or even worse trying to perform them themselves, while those with the financial ability will get them anyway.

C. If you're so concerned about these unborn, unwanted babies, why don't YOU adopt some of them? So many hypocrites are soooo concerned about the baby being born but then want to cut things like food stamps, welfare programs, etc. that help to take care of the children born to parents that can't afford them. If you really feel all kids should be born, then you should really support a society that pays for the complete upkeep of the child until adulthood. And given all of the unfit mothers that will have kids, should support adopting some yourself as they will end up in the foster system, orphanges, etc.

D. There is a separation of church and state. That means if you feel your religion feels it's "murder" or whatever, that's fine. Just don't impose your beliefs on the rest of us who don't as your religious beliefs should have nothing to do with how laws are crafted.

E. The earth already has 7 billion people! Many scientists believe that if we continue to overpopulate the earth, it will have dire consequences in the future as resources become more and more scarce. Income inequality worldwide is already a major issue. Now you want to bring millions more children into it?

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]I generally can't take most anti abortion people seriously because they typically refuse to address the following issues:

A. You can say that people shouldn't have sex unless they're willing to take care of a child all you want to but the urge to procreate is THE strongest urge in all lifeforms. As such, human beings will always do it, whether you like it or not. However, being that human beings have a unique societal structure when compared to other high life forms, they don't always want/ or are able to handle the results.

Many children are born into abusive environments where they are resented because the mother didn't really want the child, didn't have the ability to take care of it, etc. This leads to all sorts of societal problems.

Because you don't LIKE that people will have sex, and unwanted pregnancies will spawn from it doesn't change the fact that they will happen. You're basically trying to stop nature. While I don't AGREE with people recklessly having sex, I have to accept that it will always be the case as long as there are human beings, and we have to deal with those results. And sometimes, that is the unpleasant issue of abortion.

B. Making abortion illegal will only lead to back alley abortions, and you can also bet that those with the means will go to other places where abortion is legal so that their 15 year olds' life isn't ruined. So basically, it will become a situation where those who can afford it will be able to, and the poor will not. Basically you will have women killed from botched procedures, or even worse trying to perform them themselves, while those with the financial ability will get them anyway.

C. If you're so concerned about these unborn, unwanted babies, why don't YOU adopt some of them? So many hypocrites are soooo concerned about the baby being born but then want to cut things like food stamps, welfare programs, etc. that help to take care of the children born to parents that can't afford them. If you really feel all kids should be born, then you should really support a society that pays for the complete upkeep of the child until adulthood. And given all of the unfit mothers that will have kids, should support adopting some yourself as they will end up in the foster system, orphanges, etc.

D. There is a separation of church and state. That means if you feel your religion feels it's "murder" or whatever, that's fine. Just don't impose your beliefs on the rest of us who don't as your religious beliefs should have nothing to do with how laws are crafted.

E. The earth already has 7 billion people! Many scientists believe that if we continue to overpopulate the earth, it will have dire consequences in the future as resources become more and more scarce. Income inequality worldwide is already a major issue. Now you want to bring millions more children into it?[/QUOTE]

Do any of these points refute that abortion is ****ed up? Absolutely not.

Justify it any bullshit way you want (not really alive, no mind, overpopulation etc.) but abortion is the killing of life. It's absolutely ****ed up. I agree with Meticode, sweggeh and step back. I understand that more money from the government will be used to support these children. Does this mean I want my taxes to be increased to take care of it? No. It just means I want the money that is being wasted and spent on expensive wars by the current and past administrations to be used in a more constructive manner.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Do any of these points refute that abortion is ****ed up? Absolutely not.

Justify it any bullshit way you want (not really alive, no mind, overpopulation etc.) but abortion is the killing of life. It's absolutely ****ed up. I agree with Meticode, sweggeh and step back. I understand that more money from the government will be used to support these children. Does this mean I want my taxes to be increased to take care of it? No. It just means I want the money that is being wasted and spent on expensive wars by the current and past administrations to be used in a more constructive manner.[/QUOTE]


so you think that paying the government to raise children without any parent over sighting is the solution to the cure?

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Do any of these points refute that abortion is ****ed up? Absolutely not.

Justify it any bullshit way you want (not really alive, no mind, overpopulation etc.) but abortion is the killing of life. It's absolutely ****ed up. I agree with Meticode, sweggeh and step back. I understand that more money from the government will be used to support these children. Does this mean I want my taxes to be increased to take care of it? No. It just means I want the money that is being wasted and spent on expensive wars by the current and past administrations to be used in a more constructive manner.[/QUOTE]

And like most anti-abortion crusaders you don't bother to address the very relevant points I brought up and fall back on the "I think it's wrong!" mantra like a child. That's why I said I can't take you seriously. You dont want to get into the nitty gritty of the issue and prefer instead to fall back on tired emotional protestations.

Also, nowhere did I ever say abortion wasn't "f*cked up". You types also have a habit of suggesting that because someone is pro choice that they don't understand that it is very unfortunate situation that no one should have to find themselves in. We just realize it's more complex than yelling that you think it's wrong and murder over and over again.

Finally, you said I had "bullshyt justifications" but took no time to explain WHY they are bullshyt which makes your claim meaningless.

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]And like most anti-abortion crusaders you don't bother to address the very relevant points I brought up and fall back on the "I think it's wrong!" mantra like a child. That's why I said I can't take you seriously. You dont want to get into the nitty gritty of the issue and prefer instead to fall back on tired emotional protestations.

Also, nowhere did I ever say abortion wasn't "f*cked up". You types also have a habit of suggesting that because someone is pro choice that they don't understand that it is very unfortunate situation that no one should have to find themselves in. We just realize it's more complex than yelling that you think it's wrong and murder over and over again.

Finally, you said I had "bullshyt justifications" but took no time to explain WHY they are bullshyt which makes your claim meaningless.[/QUOTE]



I think they should prohibit people from getting pregnant just so they can practice abortion.

but I'm probably in the rare

only times abortion should be allowed is when the sex was not by choice, and the birth of the baby could cause either the mother or the baby to die. All other instances should be banned.

[QUOTE=riseagainst]only times abortion should be allowed is when the sex was not by choice, and the birth of the baby could cause either the mother or the baby to die. All other instances should be banned.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I agree 100%. Hoes out here taking weekly trips to the abortion clinic like its the salon and fools in this thread are defending it.

I wonder how many times they mention abortion in the Bible.

[QUOTE=Droid101]I wonder how many times they mention abortion in the Bible.[/QUOTE]

This is nothing to do with religion, read the thread title.

I can dominate this thread if I choose to, but I will let it play out until someone thinks he has the last word.

Abortion is wrong, I agree, but people are so irresponsible that they have kids in situations where they can't take care of them among other things. So, in the worst possible circumstance does a baby deserve to live a shit life and grow up as a deviant or psychopath? It's just bad all around. For me, I'd advise people I know against it. I would never do it, and if she aborted my baby I'd snap, but as for the world, I can't get mad over what other people are doing. Been there, it's not good for your health.

-Smak

[QUOTE=sweggeh]This is nothing to do with religion, read the thread title.[/QUOTE]
I was just asking a question.

Anyway, back to my main point: If you're not a woman, you don't get an opinion. Butt out.

It's legal and upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States.

If you want to try to help do YOUR part to [B]reduce[/B] the number of abortions, here's what you can do:

Donate money to Planned Parenthood and other providers of free contraceptives.

Donate or volunteer to educate youth about birth control, safe sex, etc.

Vote for the local political candidates who support comprehensive sex ed and subsidized birth control methods. Do NOT vote for candidates that wish to legislate "abstinence only" sexual education.

I can hook you up with more ways to help out if you like. Let me know.

[QUOTE=Droid101]I was just asking a question.

Anyway, back to my main point: If you're not a woman, you don't get an opinion. Butt out.

It's legal and upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States.

If you want to try to help do YOUR part to [B]reduce[/B] the number of abortions, here's what you can do:

Donate money to Planned Parenthood and other providers of free contraceptives.

Donate or volunteer to educate youth about birth control, safe sex, etc.

Vote for the local political candidates who support comprehensive sex ed and subsidized birth control methods. Do NOT vote for candidates that wish to legislate "abstinence only" sexual education.

I can hook you up with more ways to help out if you like. Let me know.[/QUOTE]

Why do people need money to teach people safe sex? What is school for? The majority of people know all about sex ed but these women are so insatiable that they disregard the future for a few minutes with some hard di.ck.

Also, why are women the only people allowed to discuss this? Let me guess, because its their body right? Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Once you have a kid in you it is your responsibility to protect it. When a passenger is in my car, I may own the car but I still have a responsibility to maintain the safety of my passenger. I cant just push them out in the middle of the road because I am too lazy and say "its my car!".

[QUOTE=sweggeh]Why do people need money to teach people safe sex? What is school for? The majority of people know all about sex ed but these women are so insatiable that they disregard the future for a few minutes with some hard di.ck.[/quote]You realize some schools just say "The only way to stay safe is to not have sex at all" and leave it at that, right? If you don't teach boys and girls about birth control methods and how to avoid STD's and unwanted pregnancy, then you're going to have more unwanted pregnancies. Period. Kids will have sex. Best they know all the ways to stay safe, right?

But anyway, I can already see why you have this opinion. You seem to think that all women are stupid sluts who can't keep their legs shut. Misogyny is strong with this one.

[QUOTE=sweggeh]Also, why are women the only people allowed to discuss this? Let me guess, because its their body right? Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Once you have a kid in you it is your responsibility to protect it. When a passenger is in my car, I may own the car but I still have a responsibility to maintain the safety of my passenger. I cant just push them out in the middle of the road because I am too lazy and say "its my car!".[/QUOTE]

A passenger in your car as an analogy to pregnancy, which is a medical ailment? Ooohkay. No need to bother with this one.