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[QUOTE]. There was an Inside the NBA portion on the Bulls struggling of late, having lost 8 of 11 after a 34-13 start during the 1993-94 season (sans Michael)[/QUOTE]
They turned it around (nearly won the #1 seed), partly due to a huge game Pippen had against the East-leading Hawks. That slump coincided with Horace Grant being out with the "blue flue" I believe.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]This line has me convinced that you're either Jeff just jerking our chains for the lulz, or you're just trying to generate ISH traffic because you're just that bored.
:oldlol:
Let's see how the 90's Bulls "Go to Guy" fared in each NBA Finals series when compared to "role player" MJ:
[B][COLOR="Red"]Pip 1991:
20.8 ppg 45% fg/9.4 rebounds/6.6 assists /2.4 steals/1.0 blocks/20% 3p[/COLOR]
MJ 1991:
31.2 ppg 56% fg/6.6 rebounds/11.4 assists/2.8 steals/1.4 blocks/50% 3p
[COLOR="Red"]Pip 1992:
20.8 ppg 48% fg/8.3 rebounds/7.7 assists/1.5 steals /0.7 blocks/22% 3p[/COLOR]
MJ 1992:
35.8 ppg 53% fg/4.8 rebounds /6.5 assists /1.7 steals/0.3 blocks/43% 3p
[COLOR="Red"]Pip 1993:
21.2 ppg 44% fg/9.2 rebounds/7.7 assists/ 2.0 steals/1.0 blocks/0% 3p[/COLOR]
MJ 1993:
41.0 ppg 51% fg/8.5 rebounds/6.3 assists/1.7 steals/0.7 blocks/40% 3p
[COLOR="Red"]Pip 1996:
15.7 ppg 34% fg/8.2 rebounds/5.3 assists/2.3 steals/1.3 blocks/24% 3p[/COLOR]
MJ 1996:
27.3 ppg 42% fg/5.3 rebounds/4.2 assists/1.7 steals/0.2 blocks/32% 3p
[COLOR="Red"]Pip 1997:
20.0 ppg 42% fg/8.3 rebounds/3.5 assists/1.7 steals/1.8 blocks/38% 3p[/COLOR]
MJ 1997:
32.3 ppg 46% fg/7.0 rebounds/6.0 assists/1.2 steals/0.8 blocks/32% 3p
[COLOR="Red"]Pip 1998:
15.7 ppg 41% fg/6.8 rebounds/4.8 assists/1.7 steals/0.8 blocks/23% 3p[/COLOR]
MJ 1998:
33.5 ppg 43% fg/4.0 rebounds/2.3 assists/ 1.8 steals/0.7 blocks/31% 3p[/B]
[URL="http://www.basketball-reference.com/"]http://www.basketball-reference.com/[/URL]
It's one thing to be a trash poster and, at the very least, be entertaining. It's a whole nother ball of wax to be trash and not know what the f@ck you're talking about.[/QUOTE]He doesn't understand the first thing about basketball tbf. All of us can see it. Why you're concerning yourself with someone like that is beyond me.
[QUOTE=Dragic4Life]Didn't know Lebron retired already...[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, he doesn't even have close to 4 more in him.
Jesus Christ,
On one end you have retards saying how Pippen was the leader of the Bulls, on the other end you have Jordan stans saying how you can replace Pippen with Ariza and generate similar results.
:facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=mehyaM24]:rolleyes:
jordan is not the GOAT "period". he definitely has a case, but you cannot factually prove him as GOAT.
- wilt has more scoring records
- russell has more championships
- kareem has GOAT longevity
difference with what i am saying, is i can factually back up my statements (statistically, pippen was a better playmaker, rebounder and defender per advanced metrics). you cannot, and that upsets you- hence the red-herring and strawman attacks.[/QUOTE]
LOL at scoring records and longetivity like its even close to rings as value. But as expected, bran stans have beta standards.
[QUOTE=knicksman]LOL at scoring records and longetivity like its even close to rings as value. But as expected, bran stans have beta standards.[/QUOTE]
Shame MJ never won any ring during or before his peak... he only won them in the weak 90s era when he got help. Almost as if championships are a team achievement:lol
[QUOTE=Quickening]Shame MJ never won any ring during or before his peak... he only won them in the weak 90s era when he got help. Almost as if championships are a team achievement:lol[/QUOTE]
More like he won when he realized that bran style(statpadding) isnt the way to win rings. In fact mj made magic quit once he dominated him in the playoffs.:lol
[QUOTE=mehyaM24]jordan was a great defender, just like pippen was a GREAT offensive player.
thing is, pippen's defense carried impact like a big. some of the all time bigs actually. his defensive rating (adjusted impact) is right there with hakeem and drob (according to drtg, 2 of the most dominant players defensively).
of course this only proves the point i am trying to illustrate. jordan fans only care about offense, but ignore that pippen was by FAR the best defensive player (and playmaker) on the team.[/QUOTE]
even undrafted players like ben wallace can be defensive players. LOL thats how easy it is to play. Its like the gap of a CEO and a janitor. Defense=dirty work. And only scrubs like pippen plays that because he would be out of the league if he wont do it. Meanwhile jordan could chose to not play defense and teams would still be scrambling to build around him. But of course bran stans with their beta standards. They think being janitor or flipping burgers is equivalent to being a CEO thats why they are losers in real life. :oldlol:
Wow. people really overrate pippen when hes just a borderline all star caliber player. Pippen would just be iguodala if not for jordan. In short nothing.
Bran stans clinging on the fact that mj couod only have 3 rings. Such losers
3> 2*
[QUOTE=knicksman]Wow. people really overrate pippen when hes just a borderline all star caliber player. Pippen would just be iguodala if not for jordan. In short nothing.[/QUOTE]
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Jordan would've just come back eventually and signed with the Knicks or Lakers or something instead and won 3 more that way. He was gonna get tired of baseball eventually.
There would've been a massive bidding war for him as a UFA, the Bulls didn't have a life time contract on Jordan or something, their deal with him was up in summer of 1996 one way or another.
Bulls fans fluked out that the baseball strike happened basically at the perfect time for them. It also basically screwed the Orlando Magic, who probably would've won the title in 1996 otherwise and kept Shaq for many more years.
In that scenario, I think the Magic win the title in 96, the Knicks get Jordan, and win in 97, 98, and 99, with the Magic winning again in 2000 led by Shaq. Lakers dynasty never happens, Spurs dominate the 2000s.
[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]Jesus Christ,
On one end you have retards saying how Pippen was the leader of the Bulls, on the other end you have Jordan stans saying how you can replace Pippen with [B]Ariza[/B] and generate similar results.
:facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
Ariza could fill the shoes of Scott mutha%$#@*&^ Pippen?!
:biggums:
ISH at an all-time low.
[QUOTE=knicksman]Wow. people really overrate pippen when hes just a borderline all star caliber player. Pippen would just be iguodala if not for jordan. In short nothing.[/QUOTE]
Spoken like a true Knicks fan. Bulls owned that ass in the 90's boy. You just mad. Flashbacks of Pippen raeping Ewing?
Iguodala...are you for real? I'm sorry but IMO he's one of the worst offensive players I've ever seen (taking into cnsideration $$ being paid). It's like Josh Smith shooting the ball hahahaha