Tim Duncan is greater than Shaq, and here are the numbers to PROVE it

[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn]Stop bringing this **** back up poeticism. It's dead. No one wants to argue with you, and no one cares how you use emotions ever second posts because you have nothing else to say.[/QUOTE]

Please review my posts on the previous page alone. I basically submitted a doctoral thesis, and you respond with 3 sentences and four asterisks, criticizing me for emoticons. If you cannot see the stupidity in this, please do not bother to respond, nor darken the logic of this post with your low intellect. :violin:

[QUOTE=poeticism707]As to Don's misguided attempt to explain away Tim Duncan's many more first team all nba and first team all defense selection, consider the following. Just because TD had 2 opportunities (forward) to Shaq's 1 on first team all nba (the center), doesn't mean Shaq was robbed or TD benefited at all. Consider, since TD has been in the league 10 years, with 9 first team all nba selections. When in that time has he EVER utilized the "2nd" forward position, meaning another forward was ranked ahead of him? Only once, and most and arguably twice: last year injured with plantarfaciatius in his foot (2nd team all nba, ONLY year he's missed it), and very arguably the year KG won MVP (2004, hence making TD the "second forward" in the NBA, if he were Shaq at center he wouldn't have made it). Even with these two exceptions, and one being very arguable, Tim Duncan would still lead Shaq in first team all nba 8-7, and that's in 5 less years.

Also, we don't even need to discuss First Team All Defense, where Tim Duncan destroys Shaq 7-0, and Shaq has a pathetic 3 CAREER 2nd team all defense. Shaq is so bad defensively, he would never have made the first team even at forward either. Examining their careers comparatively, there can be only one conclusion: Tim Duncan is greater than Shaq, and here are the numbers to prove it! (TD is on the verge of winning another title and finals mvp this year, [B]which will be icing on the cake[/B].):cheers:[/QUOTE]

That's not icing...that's the product of you getting a little too excited about Tim Duncan.

[QUOTE=poeticism707]Please review my posts on the previous page alone. I basically submitted a doctoral thesis, and you respond with 3 sentences and four asterisks, criticizing me for emoticons. If you cannot see the stupidity in this, please do not bother to respond, nor darken the logic of this post with your low intellect. :violin:[/QUOTE]

Ok fine, I understand that you've done a superb job of arguing this, but if everyone else is over it, why aren't you?

You have no further arguments, that's why you put emotions there instead. There's nothing more to argue, you'd just be going around in circles over and over again.

[QUOTE=AtTheDriveIn]Ok fine, I understand that you've done a superb job of arguing this, but if everyone else is over it, why aren't you?

You have no further arguments, that's why you put emotions there instead. There's nothing more to argue, you'd just be going around in circles over and over again.[/QUOTE]

Now this fair criticism!:cheers:

However, there might much more to add, and very soon: another title for Tim Duncan, and another Finals MVP.

To a lesser degree, it is like arguing between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds (assuming he didn't use steroids). Do you take the player who was very consistent and always hit just around 40 HR's a year with no season too spectacular. Or do you take the player who registered seasons of 30/30, 73 HRs, the most walks of all time, the most home runs in a five year span, etc.?

Duncan = Hank Aaron
Shaq = Barry Bonds

[QUOTE=BlackMoses]To a lesser degree, it is like arguing between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds (assuming he didn't use steroids). Do you take the player who was very consistent and always hit just around 40 HR's a year with no season too spectacular. Or do you take the player who registered seasons of 30/30, 73 HRs, the most walks of all time, the most home runs in a five year span, etc.?

Duncan = Hank Aaron
Shaq = Barry Bonds[/QUOTE]

wrong...Shaq is a very consistent player...check his stats ...like 10 years 25+/10+...Shaq did not played only is his title runs :no: (u have a short memory or u are a kid like poeticism)...Shaq just didnt played in very consistent teams like TD

[QUOTE=rzp]wrong...Shaq is a very consistent player...check his stats ...like 10 years 25+/10+...Shaq did not played only is his title runs :no: (u have a short memory or u are a kid like poeticism)...Shaq just didnt played in very consistent teams like TD[/QUOTE]

Barry was a consistently great player too. What I'm trying to say is that Shaq has the far superior prime compared to Duncan. While both players are great overall.

[QUOTE=BlackMoses]To a lesser degree, it is like arguing between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds (assuming he didn't use steroids). Do you take the player who was very consistent and always hit just around 40 HR's a year with no season too spectacular. Or do you take the player who registered seasons of 30/30, 73 HRs, the most walks of all time, the most home runs in a five year span, etc.?

Duncan = Hank Aaron
Shaq = Barry Bonds[/QUOTE]


Hank Aaron? :roll: Barry Bonds is better than Hank Aaron...not even a debate. Barry Bonds is this generations best baseball player and has an argument for GOAT. Horrible example...try using another sport because you dont know where Hank Aaron is ranked in terms of greatness. Damn sure aint on Bonds level.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Hank Aaron? :roll: Barry Bonds is better than Hank Aaron...not even a debate. Barry Bonds is this generations best baseball player and has an argument for GOAT. Horrible example...try using another sport because you dont know where Hank Aaron is ranked in terms of greatness. Damn sure aint on Bonds level.[/QUOTE]

i totally agree with you on this.. bonds is on another level...

alot of people dont want to watch him break the record, or dont care.. you literally have to be in denial of sports history to not want to see him break the record.. its ridiculous

[QUOTE=poeticism707]:applause:[/QUOTE]

You're clapping hands unaware Barry Bonds is a better baseball player than Hank Aaron. It totally contradicts your support about Duncan being greater than Shaq. :roll:

poetis.... until Duncan wins a ring this June, he ISN'T above Shaq yet... so stop bumping this stupid thread.

Even after Duncan gets his 4th in June, it's still debatable between Shaq and Duncan, but why am I explaining to you, you feel Duncan will be "inarguably top five all time" after June...

[QUOTE=GOBB]You're clapping hands unaware Barry Bonds is a better baseball player than Hank Aaron. It totally contradicts your support about Duncan being greater than Shaq. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Umm, wewll I never thought hammerin hank was the best, but when the only thing kepping 99% sure from turining into 100% sure on the steriods issue is a test for HGH, There can be much debate.

why is 5 years of dominance more valuable then an entire career of dominance?

also, td has never had any problems like shaq has. shaqs had people traded,coaches fired, etc.

DUncan won his first champion ship in a lock out year right? Shaq was unstoppable, Duncan is stoppable.

Duncan is really good, but no where near Shaqs level.

That's like comparing Kobe to the Jordan that played for the Wizards. If Shaq were at the same point in his career as Duncan this thread wouldn't exist.

[QUOTE=Dizzle-2k7]why is 5 years of dominance more valuable then an entire career of dominance?

also, td has never had any problems like shaq has. shaqs had people traded,coaches fired, etc.[/QUOTE]

Why do the two Duncan supporters on this thread try to bend reailty? Why do they act like Shaq was only "elite" for a 3, 4 year stretch and the rest of his career wasn't great?

Shaq from 94 to 99, 2004 to 2005 was still pretty damn good. I dunno why you guys keep throwing that "why does Shaq's three good years put him ahead of Duncan's entire consistent career?"