Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list? Honest answers, please.

[QUOTE='Toine=MVP]I think below Top 10ish is about as bad as #1. So doing some math here...

To get a representative vote, we need to take all the #1 votes and move them down to the Top 3 category and take everything below Top 10ish and move it up to that category.

There are an adjusted 27 votes for Top 3 (which really means 2 or 3 all time).

27*2.5 = 67.5 points

There are 17 votes for Top 5 (which really means 4 or 5 all time since it isn't top 3).

17*4.5 = 76.5 points

There are an adjusted 50 votes for Top 10ish. Obviously 6-10 count in the top 10, and let's say it extends down to #12 before crossing into the Top 15 category, for an average of 9.

50*9 = 450 points

594 total points divided by 94 voters = 6.31 points (rounded to 6th all time)

This is probably a fair consensus of his rank.[/QUOTE]

If anyone thinks he is outside the top 10 then that would spell disaster for any Kobe fanboys. This is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Too sad, really.

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]What a worthless, flawed poll. The fact "outside of top 15" is an option is proof enough. Not to mention what sort of numeric ranking do you give for "top 10ish" :lol

Ugh what a waste of time :facepalm[/QUOTE]


Top 10ish got a value of 8.

It doesn't change the outcome much if you give it a 7 or a 9. I tried all these things.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Either way you put it it never gets better than 6 and never worse than 9. A said it a few times. I tried all these myself. :)

So the verdict is: top 10, not top 5.[/QUOTE]

Another really simple way of looking at it, that even the biggest LeBron stan couldn't get super mad at is Top 5/Not Top 5.

44 voters think he is in the top 5 and 50 voters think he is not.

It is pretty close, to the point that we could say something like "he's arguably top 5". Referring back to an older comment of mine, if you had "Top 5ish" as a category, I bet a lot of people voting him outside the strict top 5 would have voted for him as Top 5ish (anyone who has him 6 or 7 should).

[QUOTE=elementally morale]See post number 71. I already did it. Others, too. Read before you type.

You don't understand what the word 'opinion' means. You have a problem.

An opinion is an opinion without any backing. You may find it a stupid opinion... that's fine. But still an opinion. It is worth the same as your opinion. 1 vote.

That's how opinion based elections work. More than half of all voters think LeBron is top 10ish or worse. You want to say it is not valid. It is though. According to the majority.[/QUOTE]
Post 71, which was a ton of votes ago so..., still doesn

[QUOTE=Bankaii]Post 71, which was a ton of votes ago so..., still doesn

[QUOTE='Toine=MVP]Another really simple way of looking at it, that even the biggest LeBron stan couldn't get super mad at is Top 5/Not Top 5.

44 voters think he is in the top 5 and 50 voters think he is not.

It is pretty close, to the point that we could say something like "he's arguably top 5". Referring back to an older comment of mine, if you had "Top 5ish" as a category, [B]I bet a lot of people voting him outside the strict top 5 would have voted for him as Top 5ish (anyone who has him 6 or 7 should)[/B].[/QUOTE]

Which is... still 7. As is the result.

[QUOTE=Bankaii]Post 71, which was a ton of votes ago so..., still doesn

Okay, here it is. Everyone can try with different values. Takes 3 minutes to type it to a spreadsheet.

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[QUOTE=elementally morale]Read post 71. I didn't say Kobe is better than LeBron.

I'm not making any arguments. This thread is a poll. It's opinions, not arguments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Which is... still 7. As is the result.[/QUOTE]

You are being overly defensive here and didn't read what I wrote. I'm saying there is a threshold rank at which well over half the members here would say he's above. I'm pretty sure like 60% or so, maybe 2/3, would say he's in the top 7 of all time. That doesn't mean 7th. It means at least 7th.

It is also likely true, based on this voting at least that 60% or maybe 2/3 of the voters would say "not top 4" (only 53% said not top 5 and 71% said not top 3 so it seems like a fair approximation.

So 5, 6, or 7 is roughly where he ranks. I think the issue is that besides MJ, we are going to massively disagree on which guys are ahead of LeBron and which are below even if we slotted LeBron in at #6.

[QUOTE='Toine=MVP]You are being overly defensive here and didn't read what I wrote. I'm saying there is a threshold rank at which well over half the members here would say he's above. I'm pretty sure like 60% or so, maybe 2/3, would say he's in the top 7 of all time. [B]That doesn't mean 7th. It means at least 7th.
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It is also likely true, based on this voting at least that 60% or maybe 2/3 of the voters would say "not top 4" (only 53% said not top 5 and 71% said not top 3 so it seems like a fair approximation.

[B]So 5, 6, or 7 is roughly where he ranks.[/B] I think the issue is that besides MJ, we are going to massively disagree on which guys are ahead of LeBron and which are below even if we slotted LeBron in at #6.[/QUOTE]


Absolutely not. The bolded are dead wrong.

But feel free to create your own poll. You can have up to 14 choices here.

OP is dumb as hell, dude said he doubts LeBron is top 5 :roll:

Thread is dumb as hell too, how are we supposed to take this dumb ass thread serious if not top 15 is an option?


At this point i can't see LeBron being lower than 5. This forum is retarded

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[B]The reasons many people think lebron isn't top 15:[/B]


What if lebron stayed in Cleveland his whole career and had zero rings right now

He'd have no real case over Dirk or Malone, and he'd be behind Bird and Duncan by healthy margin

But even [U]with[/U] the team-hopping - the same lack of rings would've happened if ray and kyrie missed those legacy-saving shots instead of making them

And that's without considering all his flaws.. i.e. no clutch for the majority of his career, crushes teammates, non-goat offenses, hard to build around his ball-dominance skillset, etc, etc

[I]It's a good case that no one can refute because he did indeed team-hop and stack the deck[/I]
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[QUOTE=knicksman]AJ, facts are easy and not all people are simpletons like you. We want to dig deeper. We seek challenges so we analyze whats behind those facts coz thats where the fun is. Coz if facts is all we need, then why bother debating. Everyone will arrive at the same conclusion.[/QUOTE]
Because at the end of the day only losers respect bran. us big dick alfas respect kobe

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Absolutely not. The bolded are dead wrong.

But feel free to create your own poll. You can have up to 14 choices here.[/QUOTE]

You are bad at reading.

47% of people here think he is at least top 5 (as of my latest post). This is based on YOUR poll. I am saying that I think most of the top 10ish folks would have him in the top 7 camp. But more importantly, there is some rank threshold where there would be significant agreement that he is over (60-65% is pretty significant).