MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

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[B]1990 Hakeem

HOME'....... 233 blocks... 103 steals... 131 assists
ROAD........ 143 blocks..... 71 steals... 102 assists[/B]



[QUOTE=mullen;58616506]Amazing how all of that home energy and horrible road play didn’t help Scottie Pippen much. In the first 6 years of Pippen’s career COMBINED (1988-1993), he had a whopping 34 more steals at home than on the road.

MJ had 71 more steals at home than on the road during his 1988 season alone (lol), and 188 more steals at home than the road during that 6 year period.[/QUOTE]


Haberstroh is basically saying that all stats in the 80's and 90's were blatantly cheated and inflated [i]league-wide[/i] by record-keepers because it's been shown that Hakeem had the same kind of inflation in 1990, or Alvin Robertson in 1986.

But I'm realizing that these examples of massive inflation are [i]one-offs[/i] - Jordan achieved nearly the same blocks and steals in 87' but with little or no inflation, so 88' is a one-off of massive inflation for him, while 86' is a one-off for Robertson, and 90' is a one-off for Hakeem - these one-offs could be due to personal issues that affected their home/road performance... Otherwise, their other years have the standard "normal" inflation that occurred back then due to tougher road environments and the subsequent horrible road records of teams compared to today's teams.. Only 2 teams had .500 records on the road in 1988, while half the league does today (15 teams).

carry on but I really think I solved it - the "normal' inflation of home stats n previous eras was due to the tougher road environments and significantly worse road records that teams had back then, while the abnormal one-offs of massive home inflation like 90' Hakeem, 88' Jordan, or 86' Robertson are likely due to personal issues that affected home and road play.


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That doesn't clear Mjs name :oldlol: it just incriminates more of the era with him. What an unintentional idiot.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;14923936]That doesn't clear Mjs name :oldlol: it just incriminates more of the era with him. What an unintentional idiot.[/QUOTE]


I wouldn't expect you to get it the first time around.. Hopefully, you'll skim through it again because I made it pretty clear... and simple evidence, aka road records of then vs now to explain the "normal' home inflation of all players back then, or the one-off nature of MJ, Hakeem or Alvin's massive inflation years (probably due to one-off personal issues that affected home vs road play)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923942]I wouldn't expect you to get it the first time around.. Hopefully, you'll skim through it again because I made it pretty clear... and simple evidence, aka road records of then vs now to explain the "normal' home inflation of all players back then, or the one-off nature of MJ, Hakeem or Alvin's massive inflation years (probably due to one-off personal issues that affected home vs road play)[/QUOTE]

Sorry to burst you bubble, but the guy who made the article actually went back and watched games and saw fraud steals credited to MJ. This damage control is embarrassing.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923944]Sorry to burst you bubble, but the guy who made the article actually went back and watched games and saw fraud steals credited to MJ. This damage control is embarrassing.[/QUOTE]


Subjective stats cannot be replaced by new subjective stats - I'll take the original, professional scorekeepers' ruling over some guy 30 years later with an axe to grind.

And I posted a gif in slow-motion of the play that Haberstroh mentioned on the Broussard show and it was a Jordan steal!!... Anyone can take the most negative interpretation every play and turn a few close calls the other way without anyone noticing.

Look at it from the other perspective... How much would you respect an article where the author said he watched 5 games of Lebron and noticed that 1-2 assists each game weren't really assists, AND THEREFORE lebron is not as good a passer as we thought... Would you respect this person's new subjective ruling of the assists over the original subjective ruling?... What if the mainstream media accepted it hook-line-and-sinker and started saying Lebron was just a "good" passer now and no longer "great"... Would that make sense?... Becauae that's what they've done with Jordan's defense..

Btw, do you realize that "the guy" who made the article is Lebron James and Klutch Sports?.. Nick wright already admitted to "consulting on the project"... they called it a "project" (to take down Jordan)... the entire media for some reason wants to do that.. I have no idea why... Is it because MJ doesn't give a crap about them?... Maybe that's why

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923950]Subjective stats cannot be replaced by new subjective stats - I'll take the original, professional scorekeepers' ruling over some guy 30 years later with an axe to grind.

And I posted a gif in slow-motion of the play that Haberstroh mentioned on the Broussard show and it was a Jordan steal!!... Anyone can take the most negative interpretation every play and turn a few close calls the other way without anyone noticing.

Look at it from the other perspective... How much would you respect an article where the author said he watched 5 games of Lebron and noticed that 1-2 assists each game weren't really assists, AND THEREFORE lebron is not as good a passer as we thought... Would you respect this person's new subjective ruling of the assists over the original subjective ruling?... What if the mainstream media accepted it hook-line-and-sinker and started saying Lebron was just a "good" passer now and no longer "great"... Would that make sense?... Becauae that's what they've done with Jordan's defense..

Btw, do you realize that "the guy" who made the article is Lebron James and Klutch Sports?.. Nick wright already admitted to "consulting on the project"... they called it a "project" (to take down Jordan)... the entire media for some reason wants to do that.. I have no idea why... Is it because MJ doesn't give a crap about them?... Maybe that's why[/QUOTE]

The author’s sources are a CEO of a Boys & Girls Club and a VP of development of a youth league in Europe who allegedly obtained 80’s/90’s tape from…..underground online trading forums (LMAO). No reason to take this seriously :lol

[QUOTE=theman93;14923965]The author’s sources are a CEO of a Boys & Girls Club and a VP of development of a youth league in Europe who allegedly obtained 80’s/90’s tape from…..underground online trading forums (LMAO). No reason to take this seriously :lol[/QUOTE]

These games are incredibly rare, the fact that he found these games from a seller in Europe just adds to his credibility.

I remember buying 80's NBA Finals games on Ebay when I was like 18, I can't imagine finding random regular season games from the same era on there. in the end it doesn't matter where he got these games as long as he has them.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923966]These games are incredibly rare, the fact that he found these games from a seller in Europe just adds to his credibility.

I remember buying 80's NBA Finals games on Ebay when I was like 19, in the end it doesn't matter where he got these games as long as he has them.[/QUOTE]


Thread Cliffs and Synopsis of Fraud Exposure

Hakeem had massive home inflation of stats in 90', just like Alvin Robertson in 86', and MJ in 88'... But these were one-offs that could've occurred due to personal issues that affected their home/road performance... Otherwise, their other years have the standard "normal" inflation that occurred in previous eras due to tougher road conditions (no days off, no private jets, etc) [I]and the subsequent poor road records of teams compared to today's team[/I]s.. Only 2 teams had .500 records on the road in 1988, while half the league does today (15 teams).

[I]To summarize[/I], the "normal' inflation of home stats in previous eras was due to the tougher road environments and significantly worse road records that teams had back then, while the abnormal one-offs of massive home inflation like 90' Hakeem, 88' Jordan, or 86' Robertson are likely due to personal issues that affected home and road play.. Carry on.

Thread Cliffs

MJ was exposed.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923970]Thread Cliffs

MJ was exposed.[/QUOTE]


Revised Thread Cliffs and Synopsis of Fraud Exposure

Hakeem had similar massive inflation of home stats in 90', just like Alvin Robertson in 86', and MJ in 88'... But this extreme inflation were one-offs that could've occurred due to personal issues that affected their home/road performance... Otherwise, their other years have the standard "normal" inflation that occurred in previous eras due to tougher road conditions (no days off, no private jets, etc) and the subsequent poor road records compared to today's teams.. Only 2 teams had .500 records on the road in 1988, while half the league does today (15 teams).

To summarize, the "normal' inflation of home stats in previous eras was due to the tougher road environments and significantly worse road records that teams had back then, while the abnormal one-offs of massive home inflation like 90' Hakeem, 88' Jordan, or 86' Robertson are likely due to personal issues that affected home and road play.. Carry on.

[video=youtube;JsNlh1V07_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsNlh1V07_Q[/video]

3ball posted in the comment section btw. It's pretty obvious which one is his post. :lol

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923950]Subjective stats cannot be replaced by new subjective stats - I'll take the original, professional scorekeepers' ruling over some guy 30 years later with an axe to grind.

And I posted a gif in slow-motion of the play that Haberstroh mentioned on the Broussard show and it was a Jordan steal!!... Anyone can take the most negative interpretation every play and turn a few close calls the other way without anyone noticing.

Look at it from the other perspective... How much would you respect an article where the author said he watched 5 games of Lebron and noticed that 1-2 assists each game weren't really assists, AND THEREFORE lebron is not as good a passer as we thought... Would you respect this person's new subjective ruling of the assists over the original subjective ruling?... What if the mainstream media accepted it hook-line-and-sinker and started saying Lebron was just a "good" passer now and no longer "great"... Would that make sense?... Becauae that's what they've done with Jordan's defense..

Btw, do you realize that "the guy" who made the article is Lebron James and Klutch Sports?.. Nick wright already admitted to "consulting on the project"... they called it a "project" (to take down Jordan)... the entire media for some reason wants to do that.. I have no idea why... Is it because MJ doesn't give a crap about them?... Maybe that's why[/QUOTE]

All I know is one thing...............after watching all that NBA Bball.

1986-1990 MJ was due atleast 1 DPOY if not more.......Especially after Pathetic 1987 Cooper was given one just because of LAL franchise to insult 1987 MJ.

That Pre-90s, Pre-championship, Pre-Prime 'AIR' Jordan was a defensive monster!.....

The guy had his hand inside cookie jar like 15 times a game.

Deflecting, Disrupting, Gambling, Jeopardizing, literally intercepting, Roaming those passing lanes like a wild dog out to get some DEFENSIVE stats.

He is bound to get 5 SPG easily "at home" where refs did not put him in PF trouble. And saw him play more regularly and correctly called the game.

"road" refs can error on PF calls. put this version of MJ in PF trouble. They haven't seen anything like this. The Quick hands, cat-like reflexes poking ball away. Next thing you know, PF trouble by 3rd Quarter!.

1986 - 1990 "road" MJ could be little conservative. trying to avoid PF trouble. Knowing PPG is priority over SPG and BPG. Also, Traveling Cocaine Circus dont play well on 'road' as they are not getting home cocaine fix on timely fashion before games.

I can see them questioning 1995-1998 Jordan SPG and BPG stats, but 1986-1990 MJ should've won back-2-back DPOY if not atleast 1988 DPOY.

MJ wishes he had Cooper's man defense.

[video=youtube;nIiSCwfxR0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIiSCwfxR0c[/video]

[video=youtube;DtwbSyyj7OY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtwbSyyj7OY&t[/video]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923974]MJ wishes he had Cooper's man defense.

[video=youtube;nIiSCwfxR0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIiSCwfxR0c[/video][/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?376404-Michael-Jordan-Stats-and-Footage-vs-DPOY-Michael-Cooper-(8-time-All-Defense)[/url]


And MJ held nearly every primary matchup to 35-43% shooting - that's unheard of and GOAT - this includes primary matchups against Magic, Drexler, Miller, Dumars, Starks, Isiah, Harper, and many more - no one has this record of individual defense and of course no one was a better help defender or leader... aka jordan was goat perimeter defender that got 3 times the steals of blocks as Cooper

[B][SIZE=3]1987 Cooper DPOY is considered the WORST DPOY ever win ever since DPOY award was invented. ranked at the BOTTOM!

1987 Cooper Came off the bench and LAL franchise made sure to buy DPOY award for him[/SIZE][/B]

1987 Cooper on 1987 Jordan "questioning" his Pathetic DPOY Win

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[quote]"That's his opinion," Michael responded. "Everybody's entitled to express an opinion. I know my defense is good. [B][U]I don't think steals and blocked shots are the only measures of playing defense[/U][/B]. [B][U]I'm not a starter, so I don't play enough to accumulate those kind of stats[/U][/B], but I feel I'm more of a containment type player."[/quote]

108.8 Drtg. :roll:

1.0 SPG, :lol
0.5 BPG, :facepalm
2.3 DWS

[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ranking-every-dpoy-winner-in-nba-history-by-defensive-rating/ar-BB1ojDGF?ocid=BingNewsSerp"]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ranking-every-dpoy-winner-in-nba-history-by-defensive-rating/ar-BB1ojDGF?ocid=BingNewsSerp[/URL]

1987 Cooper (LAL) ranked even below 2022 Marcus Smart (CELTICS), 2nd worst ever!

The Usual suspects.........2 of the NBA's Winningest, Elite Franchises..........VOTED worst ever winners in.


[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923974]MJ wishes he had Cooper's man defense.

[video=youtube;nIiSCwfxR0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIiSCwfxR0c[/video][/QUOTE]