Cooper Flagg Discussion Thread

[QUOTE=3ba11;14958858]It only seems that way because Ingram does everything a lot better.

Ingram's handle is far superior.. He's quicker... he's more athletic and better shooter... Better playmaker too... Simply a better talent [B]and I remember him tracking very high when he was at Kentucky[/B] - he was considered a prodigal talent and almost a 2nd coming of AD...

Otoh, Flagg is mostly hype - he can't beat defenders via blow-by and needs too many counters.. Unless his jumper is infact Larry Bird, feel free to bookmark this post... I wish you guys would've bookmarked all my posts about ingram, Cade, Wemby and others.. Sure I was wrong about curry, but that's why I consider him to be so great.. Btw, you guys were all wrong about Ingram, but you don't remember this.[/QUOTE]

Good memory :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958861]Good memory :lol[/QUOTE]


When you focus on typos, you miss the substance..

Ingram was considered a 2nd-coming of AD and does everything MUCH better than Flagg - you'll see - it will be just another thing you're wrong about - you guys never make great predictions like I did with Wemby, Ant, Ingram, Cade, and more

you don't think it's interesting that you're claiming Flagg doesn't play like Ingram when Ingram is someone you guys were dead wrong about and didn't understand his game at all? (and don't understand anyone's game, like Lebron's for example)... carry on

[QUOTE=3ba11;14958862]When you focus on typos, you miss the substance..

Ingram was considered a 2nd-coming of AD and does everything MUCH better than Flagg - you'll see - it will be just another thing you're wrong about - you guys never make great predictions like I did with Wemby, Ant, Ingram, Cade, and more[/QUOTE]

You don’t even remember where he went to school. How we supposed to believe that you remember anything about him as a player coming out :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958863]You don’t even remember where he went to school. How we supposed to believe that you remember anything about him as a player coming out :lol[/QUOTE]


I know his game, while you don't and were wrong about him

But congrats on knowing where he went to school

[QUOTE=3ba11;14958864]I know his game, while you don't and were wrong about him

But congrats on knowing where he went to school[/QUOTE]

College basketball is one of my favorite sports and I make it a point in particular to watch most games of top prospects, i.e Brandon Ingram.

In college, I remember him being a tall, lanky great-shooting wing with a smooth handle and solid passing skills. He was a huge question mark defensively though and didn't have much of a motor overall. Still hasn't figured those parts out.

He played nothing like Cooper Flagg...and certainly not like AD.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958868]College basketball is one of my favorite sports and I make it a point in particular to watch most games of top prospects, i.e Brandon Ingram.

In college, I remember him being a tall, lanky great-shooting wing with a smooth handle and solid passing skills. He was a huge question mark defensively though and didn't have much of a motor overall. Still hasn't figured those parts out.

He played nothing like Cooper Flagg...and certainly not like AD.[/QUOTE]


You were wrong about Ingram in 2019 and didn't think he would be good, yet now you're lying saying you thought he was good and understand his game?

People in 2024 have such low character and social media did it - no one can concede and the worst thing is that people like you don't do your research and make me teach you everything.

Ingram and Flagg have the same objective, game and moves once they catch the ball, except Ingram is just more talented and skilled in literally every way - he's a better shooter, dribbler, playmaker, athlete, dunker - literally everything.. The stuff that Cooper finishes with a layup, Ingram is tomahawking with 2 hands and making it look easy - Flagg ain't got it like that.. I don't think he will be as good as Gordon Hayward and he projects to be a little better than Chandler Parsons...

So you’d expect Brandon Ingram the be the number one pick in this draft?

He played more like Ace Bailey than Flagg.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958880]So you’d expect Brandon Ingram the be the number one pick in this draft?

He played more like Ace Bailey than Flagg.[/QUOTE]


Ingram was just scraping his athletic potential and had so much more upside than Flagg - he wouldn't need to be #1 to be a better player in the short or long-run than Flagg or other guys in this draft...

Flagg is slow and his numbers reflect a complete and mature bag, while Ingram was a more talented athlete and his numbers reflected a budding bag...

Flagg can't blow by guys, which is an issue since his jumper doesn't smack of Bird or Dirk.. Flagg is working harder out there than Ingram and I already see instances where he's forced to lay it up (but it was a dunk in HS) - Ingram was still dunking everything in college that he dunked in HS (and pretty much in the league too)...

Yes, Flagg does work harder. On both ends. Ingram still doesn’t work hard. He literally hasn’t changed or improved as a player in like 7 years.

I can’t decide what’s funnier about this conversation though.

1. That we wouldn’t be having it if Ingram didn’t play 40 something games with Lebron 6 years ago or..

2. That Cade Cunningham is outperforming him in pretty much every number and metric there is :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958890]Yes, Flagg does work harder. On both ends. Ingram still doesn’t work hard. He literally hasn’t changed or improved as a player in like 7 years.

I can’t decide what’s funnier about this conversation though.

1. That we wouldn’t be having it if Ingram didn’t play 40 something games with Lebron 6 years ago or..

2. That Cade Cunningham is outperforming him in pretty much every number and metric there is :lol[/QUOTE]


We're talking about Ingram because he compares to Cooper Flagg, except he's a more athletic, better ball-handling, better jumpshooting, and better bag... better skills and athleticism.

And a 16-game sample compared to their entire careers thus far (Ingram vs Cade)?.... nice try

Btw Shawk, when you start alluding to the defensive end of the floor, that normally means that I'm winning the offensive side of the argument... It's like a when someone says "I'm good at defense", it means "I can't score"

[QUOTE=3ba11;14958906]Btw Shawk, when you start alluding to the defensive end of the floor, that normally means that I'm winning the offensive side of the argument... It's like a when someone says "I'm good at defense", it means "I can't score"[/QUOTE]

No it doesn’t. It means I’m trying to have a discussion about the entire package of a player.

Cooper will end up scoring more than Ingram did as a freshman, given his motor, transition and tempo pushing, and overall aggressiveness.

And he’s perhaps the best defensive freshman I’ve seen since Anthony Davis. AD wasn’t a prodigy because of his offensive game.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14958901][B]We're talking about Ingram because he compares to Cooper Flagg[/B], except he's a more athletic, better ball-handling, better jumpshooting, and better bag... better skills and athleticism.

And a 16-game sample compared to their entire careers thus far (Ingram vs Cade)?.... nice try[/QUOTE]

Sure thing buddy :lol

Ingram is a soft jump shooter that is reluctant to attack the rim. Flagg is a legit defensive big who is constantly looking to drive 1st and shoot jumpers 2nd. Not remotely comparable.

Flagg will never play the 3 in his entire career. He will play center at times in small lineups.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958912]Sure thing buddy :lol[/QUOTE]


that's what you said in 2019.. I was right then and I'm right now as usual, and you're in denial and deflect mode as usual.. carry on