Regarding the TMac Bird thing Kblaze it’s because TMac never won so now people pretend he wasn’t great.
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Regarding the TMac Bird thing Kblaze it’s because TMac never won so now people pretend he wasn’t great.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14945117]Go away. The adults are speaking.[/QUOTE]
Yeah idk if you realize this but it’s not adult behavior to spend days arguing something you don’t believe (Chris Bosh being some godly player) just to keep up your agenda (LeBron isn’t that good actually!!!!).
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14945119]he was getting compared to people like Caron Butler and Carlos boozer at the time. Boozer was all NBA over Chris Bosh. In what World is someone ranked behind Carlos boozer unreasonable to compare to Antonio? Do you remember him before his knee injury?
I was doing exactly what you’re talking about when you say I defended people on bad teams when I had Paul Gasol over Chris Bosh. His team won 22 games and I had him firmly ahead of Bosh. You just keep saying the same shit over when the reason I was unimpressed was laid out before he was even established as a loser. I said the same thing about Bosh winning and losing. Feels like you should be able to grasp what that means. Just wasn’t impressed by his game. I’ve been unimpressed by winners and impressed by losers. In this case, there is absolutely no question. I was unimpressed by him both ways so you really have no argument.
Some players being great when they lose, doesn’t mean all people who lose are. And some people being able to win while not doing very much doesn’t mean all winners backed into it. It’s always case by case and that is too obvious for me to believe you don’t know it.
though the more you stick to your guns on some of these issues the more I’m worried I could be giving you too much credit.[/QUOTE]
Boozer was actually great back then. Comparing Bosh to Boozer during the last few years in Utah is fine.
Boozer during that stretch was considerably better than Mcdyess. Drop the Mcdyess shit.
[QUOTE=Carbine;14945118]Jose Calderon was actually pretty nice for a few years in Toronto. Offensively he was quite good actually for a pass first PG. Ultra efficient for the era. I watched a lot of these games live, I'm from Canada and we get all Toronto games on local tv.
Bosh was not a good defender back then either. You know why he became an excellent defender with Miami? Because he wasn't relied upon as the #1 or #2 option and he was in a much different defensive culture. It's the same reason Paul Peirce's defense improved when KG and Thibs came over. The defensive antennas go up and effort goes up when everyone is being held accountable.[/QUOTE]
Is this dude really trying to low key hype Jose Calderon.
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Ok man, you sold us, Bosh did not have “not enough help” in toronto. He was good. Him and Jose. Bosh just was an empty stat loser with no D.
Sounds legit.
As a playmaker and shooter. Calderon was one of the best. He doesn’t get talked about enough for his shooting ability.
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Boozer was actually great back then. Comparing Bosh to Boozer during the last few years in Utah is fine.
Boozer during that stretch was considerably better than Mcdyess. Drop the Mcdyess shit.
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There is absolutely no reason to put much separation between those three players. Like I said, if you want to make the top 50 contain 30 different levels OK. But it’s like making a level between Toronto Vince Carter and Bucks Ray Allen. You can like one or the other but there are no ****ing levels.
Let’s argue David West and Paul Millsap while we’re at it.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14945127]There is absolutely no reason to put much separation between those three players. Like I said, if you want to make the top 50 contain 30 different levels OK. But it’s like making a level between Toronto Vince Carter and Bucks Ray Allen. You can like one or the other but there are no ****ing levels.
Let’s argue David West and Paul Millsap while we’re at it.
no, he wasn’t. Make dice would’ve been the best defender of the three. Boozer was actually great back then. Comparing Bosh to Boozer during the last few years in Utah is fine.
Boozer during that stretch was considerably better than Mcdyess. Drop the Mcdyess shit.[/QUOTE]
Lebron is the same as t mac who’s the same as penny who’s the same as bradly beal who’s the same as jason terry who’s the same as jose calderon who’s the same as bronny james
So basically Lebron and Bronny James are the same player.
Yeah no, get out of here with this logic. It’s straight garbage.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14945129]Lebron is the same as t mac who’s the same as penny who’s the same as bradly beal who’s the same as jason terry who’s the same as jose calderon who’s the same as bronny james
So basically Lebron and Bronny James are the same player.
Yeah no, get out of here with this logic. It’s straight garbage.[/QUOTE]
So my “Logic”(similar players with similar production are on a similar level) suggests Lebron is a 10th man due to transitive property.
You’ve clearly entered an unhinged era and I’m gonna go ahead and disregard you for a while until you come back to earth and I can talk to you like a normal human being.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14945131]So my “Logic”(similar players with similar production are on a similar level) suggests Lebron is a 10th man due to transitive property.
You’ve clearly entered an unhinged era and I’m gonna go ahead and disregard you for a while until you come back to earth and I can talk to you like a normal human being.[/QUOTE]
you are the one busting out the transitive properties trying to make vague ass connections with players who are obviously worse
I just took it another step to highlight how absurd the practice is
you can keep telling yourself mcdyess was “just as good” as prime chris bosh but idk, you are kinda operating in your own reality with that one
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Is this dude really trying to low key hype Jose Calderon.
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Ok man, you sold us, Bosh did not have “not enough help” in toronto. He was good. Him and Jose. Bosh just was an empty stat loser with no D.
Sounds legit.[/QUOTE]
Why does reasonably, and agendalessly, stating Calderon's strengths as a player in a natural response to something where he was already brought up rile you up so much?
Nobody said anything about Bosh having any sort of level of help or not help. That wasn't the discussion.
You've been doing this so long it truly doesn't seem like your mind lets you go into certain things without the layers of agenda clouding it.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14945133]Why does reasonably, and agendalessly, stating Calderon's strengths as a player in a natural response to something where he was already brought up rile you up so much?
Nobody said anything about Bosh having any sort of level of help or not help. That wasn't the discussion.
You've been doing this so long it truly doesn't seem like your mind lets you go into certain things without the layers of agenda clouding it.[/QUOTE]
I was insinuating Bosh didn’t have help in Toronto when mentioning Jose. This was pretty obvious.
When someone replies back about how Jose Calderon actually wasn’t that bad/underrated/whatever the ****, they are insinuating that he actually had more help than people think.
We all know Jose Calderon isn’t a needle mover, I don’t think anyone asked for a detailed Jose Calderon breakdown in this thread or particularly care, Jose was just an example of Bosh having shitty teams in Toronto. (I think all sane people can agree on that)
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14945133]Why does reasonably, and agendalessly, stating Calderon's strengths as a player in a natural response to something where he was already brought up rile you up so much?
Nobody said anything about Bosh having any sort of level of help or not help. That wasn't the discussion.
You've been doing this so long it truly doesn't seem like your mind lets you go into certain things without the layers of agenda clouding it.[/QUOTE]
Jose riles people up. This was among the responses to the “Jose isn’t an all star” posts from 2007
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Wow go die. I dont understand what was running through your brain for you to post this? Tell me you haven't graduated elementary school or that you're a big time drug addict to justify this completely horse **** post, pelase. Cmon get to it.
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in response to someone pointing out that not everybody who is a better shooter than Jason Kidd is an All Star.
That man had a following.
My combination of thinking he wasn’t an All Star(just really good) and Bosh was a middling All-Star had Canadians at my ****ing neck.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14945138]I was insinuating Bosh didn’t have help in Toronto when mentioning Jose. This was pretty obvious.
When someone replies back about how Jose Calderon actually wasn’t that bad/underrated/whatever the ****, they are insinuating that he actually had more help than people think.
We all know Jose Calderon isn’t a needle mover, I don’t think anyone asked for a detailed Jose Calderon breakdown in this thread or particularly care, Jose was just an example of Bosh having shitty teams in Toronto. (I think all sane people can agree on that)[/QUOTE]
He was a really good shooter and a really good play-making point guard. These things both being true doesn't make Chris Bosh worse or the team as a whole better than they actually were.
All stemmed from Gilbert Arenas on his blog(he’s been at it a while):
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On the East side, I don’t know if there were any big snubs. I mean, some people wanted Jose Calderon. Jose Calderon? Who? Come on man, this is All-Star, people. When I’ve seen some of the names that are being thrown around on the ticker as snubs, it’s killing me. I understand Calderon has the best assist-turnover ratio in the league, but you know what’s funny? All back-up point guards have the best assist-turnover ratios. Screw it, Kevin Ollie should be an All-Star then! For like five or six years, Ollie was No. 1 in assist-turnover ratio!
I’ve been loving the way he’s been playing for the last two years. When he first came into the league he was a little timid and scared to shoot the ball, but he’s taking over that team. But All-Star? He’s about 20 years away from being an All-Star.
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he had fans and the whole sports media outraged at his disrespect of the efficiency. This is one of the more levelheaded responses
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Whether or not Calderon should or should not be an All-Star remains up for discussion. But assessing the guy the way Arenas did shouldn't be part of that discussion.
This 'back-up' has started 35 of the 49 games in which he has played, and he averages 31.7 minutes per game. That assist-to-turnover ratio of 5.56-to-1 comes from the fact that he averages 8.9 assists and 1.6 turnovers per game. Nobody else in basketball has a ratio so high as 4.5-to-1. The 8.9 assists per game put him in fifth in the league, behind only Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Jason Kidd and Deron Williams, three of whom play out West.
In case that wasn't enough, Calderon's efficiency shooting the basketball is similar to his efficiency passing it, as he shoots 53.3 percent from the field, 46.1 percent from deep and 92.1 percent from the foul line. With Calderon starting, the Raps are 20-15. When that isn't the case, they are just 7-7.
Maybe he isn't an All-Star, but Jose Calderon [I]is[/I]most certainly an impact player.
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I’m going to hunt down some TJ Ford talks as well. Looking at his numbers you wouldn’t believe the shit Raptor fans were telling me. They legit thought I hated TJ because I thought Kirk Hinrich was better as a rookie. I don’t know which one of them I heard the most about in that era but people thought I was if anything underrating the other Raptors.
The raptors had a big fanbase at the time.
I think it’s hilarious this dude is having a meltdown over McDyess being compared to Bosh but expects us to believe it’s reasonable to say Bosh>Pippen.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14945143]Jose riles people up. This was among the responses to the “Jose isn’t an all star” posts from 2007
in response to someone pointing out that not everybody who is a better shooter than Jason Kidd is an All Star.
That man had a following.
My combination of thinking he wasn’t an All Star(just really good) and Bosh was a middling All-Star had Canadians at my ****ing neck.[/QUOTE]
He was a good pg. Solid.
-Smak