Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15031254]3tard:

"He can win with just his passing!"

Also 3tard:

"His teammates didn't play up to par!"


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I get that you’re shockingly stupid but clearly I meant Jokic can win a game with just his passing as he’s done many times before. Why are you using a series in which he lost to a team better by net rating than Kobe ever faced to prove anything? Kobe quite literally never played a team as good as OKC last year if we go by net rating. You could argue the 08 Celtics but Kobe pooped his pants against them so…

Look at how they guarded Kobe deep.

[video=youtube_share;79y_YCkHhso]https://youtu.be/79y_YCkHhso?si=C_ScpirZnO2uUewu[/video]

Chest to chest everywhere. To suggest Kobe wasnt a shooting or spacing threat is an insanity I'd never thought would be uttered. But this is Insidehoops. :lol

A magical land.

[QUOTE=tpols;15031246]It wasnt Jokic fault getting locked up by Caruso, it was the terrible spacing from westbrick mostly.

But what people dont realize is Kobe played in an era where a lot of role players were westbrick level spacing and shooting long range. So Kobe had to deal with that shit spacing [I]his entire career.[/I] Yolk had to do it for 1 game.

You give Kobe 5 point spacing? Its a wrap. Look at SGA. A skinny small effeminate version of Kobe. Puts up prime MJ numbers and even better efficiency in the playoffs last year.

What does that say?[/QUOTE]
I think you’re REALLY downplaying how good SGA is.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15031261]I think you’re REALLY downplaying how good SGA is.[/QUOTE]
I mean the only way to delude yourself into thinking Kobe is a GOAT candidate is to downplay about 15 other players minimum.

[QUOTE=tpols;15031259]Look at how they guarded Kobe deep.

[video=youtube_share;79y_YCkHhso]https://youtu.be/79y_YCkHhso?si=C_ScpirZnO2uUewu[/video]

Chest to chest everywhere. To suggest Kobe wasnt a shooting or spacing threat is an insanity I'd never thought would be uttered. But this is Insidehoops. :lol

A magical land.[/QUOTE]
Tbf you're using an example where they literally needed a 3 to tie the game in the final seconds. Even Westbrook gets defended like that in a similar situation.

[video=youtube;Zwl7rsnzlbE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwl7rsnzlbE&ab_channel=NotCHILL[/video]

[QUOTE=RRR3;15031256]I get that you’re shockingly stupid but clearly I meant Jokic can win a game with just his passing as he’s done many times before. Why are you using a series in which he lost to a team better by net rating than Kobe ever faced to prove anything? Kobe quite literally never played a team as good as OKC last year if we go by net rating. You could argue the 08 Celtics but Kobe pooped his pants against them so…[/QUOTE]

Once again you're a retard.

All of the teams now are constructed in a way where they would all beat the teams of the past. OKC being better than the teams Kobe faced means nothing because Denver is also better than those teams. It's all relative.

Denver doesn't win the championship if not for Murray being able to take over 1 on 1. That's just a fact. Yolk was the MVP that series sure but Murray was an extremely important piece of the equation. He was the closer in some of those games. In one game he put up [B]34/10/10[/B]... the 2nd best player on the team. :oldlol:

So you keep saying "Yolk can win with just passing!"... but is that reality? HAVE we seen it??

Because from my experience watching them, when the other guys don't show up and aren't shooting well... Denver doesn't win. You said so yourself.

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[QUOTE=tpols;15031255]Of course it was. Kobe was guarded chest to chest everywhere outside as well. He was the teams designated bailout guy if the shotclock was too low though. So it dinged his % a bit. His raw shooting was heavily respected though. Youre coming off as an autistic or perhaps mentally handicapped in some sort of way to suggest otherwise.[/QUOTE]

LOL Every number one option takes last second heaves. Jokic takes them beyond half court all the time. One time i saw him try to shoot from full court just by slapping the ball the length of the court because he didn't have time to catch it.

Defenses definitely were more worried about Kobe taking it to the basket than shooting 3s. They weren't trying to run Kobe off the line they way they do with guys who shoot 3s well. They would certainly try to contest after he went up for a shot but when Kobe took a long jumper that was a win for the defense.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15031261]I think you’re REALLY downplaying how good SGA is.[/QUOTE]

I'm really not.

He is great but hes a weaker effeminate Kobe. Kobe had the same midrange skills or better, plus he could slam on you around the rim mixtape poster style where as SGA cant at all and flops in the paint instead of being a man. SGA... by comparison is like the gay Kobe. Worse passer and defender as well.

Yet in today's era SGA outshoots MJ, Kobe, and Wade efficiency wise. Hes not better than any of them though and you'd have to be Ray Charles to not see it.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15031227]So are you saying that shots 10-16 feet at the only 2 point shots that count? What about shots from 16 feet to the 3 pt line? Do they not count? What about shots inside 10 feet?

Steph has been in the league 16 years. I think the sample size is pretty big at this point.[/QUOTE]

Of course all shots count, but his sample sizes are minute compared to his 3pa %. His size and amazing ability to shoot the 3's is what has kept him from taking more shots inside the arc. Like I said, it's not his fault it's just the way it panned out.

Been in the league 16yrs but all shot attempt %'s inside the arc combined doesn't pass the 52% of his shots coming from 3

[QUOTE=Baller234;15031266]Once again you're a retard.

All of the teams now are constructed in a way where they would all beat the teams of the past. OKC being better than the teams Kobe faced means nothing because Denver is also better than those teams. It's all relative.

Denver doesn't win the championship if not for Murray being able to take over 1 on 1. That's just a fact. Yolk was the MVP that series sure but Murray was an extremely important piece of the equation. He was the closer in some of those games. In one game he put up [B]34/10/10[/B]... the 2nd best player on the team. :oldlol:

So you keep saying "Yolk can win with just passing!"... but is that reality? HAVE we seen it??

Because from my experience watching them, when the other guys don't show up and aren't shooting well... Denver doesn't win. You said so yourself.

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Pau arguably should have been FMVP in the 2010 finals so it’s hilarious you’re hung up on Murray who’s never even been an allstar. Furthermore his stats are worse when Jokic isn’t on the court. So yeah Jokic’s passing is helping him a lot. And I never said Jokic could win a ring just by passing alone you’re twisting things like you always do because it enrages you Jokic is so much better than your hero. I said he can win a game with passing.

[QUOTE=tpols;15031270]I'm really not.

He is great but hes a weaker effeminate Kobe. Kobe had the same midrange skills or better, plus he could slam on you around the rim mixtape poster style where as SGA cant at all and flops in the paint instead of being a man. SGA... by comparison is like the gay Kobe. Worse passer and defender as well.

Yet in today's era SGA outshoots MJ, Kobe, and Wade efficiency wise. Hes not better than any of them though and you'd have to be Ray Charles to not see it.[/QUOTE]
SGA is better than Kobe gramps hate to break it to you. Your boy just didn’t have that high of a peak when it comes down to the stats you love.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15031228]The picture is self explanatory. All 5 defenders are looking at Steph and ignoring a wide open KD.[/QUOTE]

Defenders looking at the ball handler is nothing new.

[QUOTE=tpols;15031270]I'm really not.

He is great but hes a weaker effeminate Kobe. Kobe had the same midrange skills or better, plus he could slam on you around the rim mixtape poster style where as SGA cant at all and flops in the paint instead of being a man. SGA... by comparison is like the gay Kobe. Worse passer and defender as well.

Yet in today's era SGA outshoots MJ, Kobe, and Wade efficiency wise. Hes not better than any of them though and you'd have to be Ray Charles to not see it.[/QUOTE]

Co-signed

SGA is amazing, but he's not Kobe. At least not yet.

SGA can create off the dribble with the best of them. Kobe can create off the catch. Kobe can create separation without dribbling.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15031277]Co-signed

SGA is amazing, but he's not Kobe. At least not yet.

SGA can create off the dribble with the best of them. Kobe can create off the catch. Kobe can create separation without dribbling.[/QUOTE]
SGA just had a better season than Kobe ever did. Take off the nostalgia goggles.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15031271]Of course all shots count, but his sample sizes are minute compared to his 3pa %. His size and amazing ability to shoot the 3's is what has kept him from taking more shots inside the arc. Like I said, it's not his fault it's just the way it panned out.

Been in the league 16yrs but all shot attempt %'s inside the arc combined doesn't pass the 52% of his shots coming from 3[/QUOTE]



21% of Steph's shots for his career came from 10 feet out to the 3 pt line. If that isn't a valid sample size then KD's 3 pt sample size isn't valid either.