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[QUOTE=Diesel J]An interesting article with all time greats prasing MJ..
[b][i] Michael Jordan Retires - Praise from his peers - Monday February 01, 1999 03:52 PM[/i][/b]
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1999/jordan_retires/news/1999/01/13/jordan_greatest/[/url][/QUOTE]
..by the way,I heard that Red Aurebach said that Jordan was the best he ever saw play.Is this true?
[QUOTE]SportsCentury: Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century
# 1. Michael Jordan
# 2. Babe Ruth
# 3. Muhammad Ali
# 4. Jim Brown
# 5. Wayne Gretzky
# 6. Jesse Owens
# 7. Jim Thorpe
# 8. Willie Mays
# 9. Jack Nicklaus
# 10. Babe Didrikson
# 11. Joe Louis
# 12. Carl Lewis
# 13. Wilt Chamberlain
# 14. Hank Aaron
# 15. Jackie Robinson
# 16. Ted Williams
# 17. Magic Johnson
# 18. Bill Russell
# 19. Martina Navratilova
# 20. Ty Cobb
# 21. Gordie Howe
# 22. Joe DiMaggio
# 23. Jackie Joyner-Kersee
# 24. Sugar Ray Robinson
# 25. Joe Montana[/QUOTE]
Great list, but no Pele?
He owns everyone there. Several lists have him at 1.
I guess its just the US known athletes.
I think Pele was somewhere below #25. Maybe at around 40. The poll includes only American athletes and I guess is hugely biased towards USA ones. This doesn't make it worse than plenty of non-American polls, though: Take European polls, and you'll see them flooded with soccer players. NFL? Baseball? Hockey? All of them will be lucky to have like 3-5 athletes in the top-50 or top-100. The only American athletes who are widely recognised outside America are NBA players and track/field stars. And if the poll is made in England, you'll even see cricket and snooker legends ranked above basketball ones...
[QUOTE=Poseidon]I've said this once and I'll say it again....
Jordan = right place, right time
He'd just be another great swingman had he played in today's game. Jordan would be grouped wirth Kobe, Wade, Iverson and McGrady (also maybe LeBron).
Also his stats would not be as inflated due to Zone defense, non-hand checking rule and better athletes in his position and in the league.
No more 50 point games againt the Craig Ehlo's or the Danny Ainge's or the Jeff Malone's of the world. He'll now be facing some real, athletic competition.
Also players like Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Josh Smith and about 10 others would put Jordan's "AIR" moniker to shame with their dunks compared the MJ's generic ones. He can kiss any Slam Dunk title away because he would NEVER win one in today's league.
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I was too young when Jordan was around and kicking ass, but I am 100% sure that Michael Jordan, if he played in 2008, would NOT be grouped with the likes of McGrady and Carter, that I have absolutely no doubt.
[QUOTE=brantonli]I was too young when Jordan was around and kicking ass, but I am 100% sure that Michael Jordan, if he played in 2008, would NOT be grouped with the likes of McGrady and Carter, that I have absolutely no doubt.[/QUOTE]
I am old enough and I can assure you that you are 100% correct.
[QUOTE=Diesel J]..by the way,I heard that Red Aurebach said that Jordan was the best he ever saw play.Is this true?[/QUOTE]
anyone know anything about this?
[QUOTE=Diesel J]anyone know anything about this?[/QUOTE]
i seem to remember this too, but i can't find footage of it. maybe on his centerstage interview? jerry west says so unequivocally if you're looking to quote a great gm. so does pat riley. and bob cousy. larry bird. magic johnson. isiah thomas. grant hill. dominique wilkins. charles barkley. reggie miller. kenny smith. hubie brown. tracy mcgrady. allen iverson. shaquille oneal. bob knight. dean smith. actually pretty much every player, coach, or gm i've ever heard questioned on it since jordan hit his peak has said he was the best except big o (who said big o was the best), wilt (who said wilt was the best), russell (who said there's about 6 possibilities but wouldn't commit to one), and mark jackson who said it was kobe.
not that we should believe what experts have to say. half the time they are full of it, and we all know that the league extorts them to lie on jordan's behalf. duh.
There are no "IFs". What happened is what happened. Jordan, 6 rings, Finals MVP on all of them. Made the Bulls franchise Top 10 Teams of All Time list. :cheers:
To be clear, Jordan created the Chicago Bulls! XD
[QUOTE=dejordan]i seem to remember this too, but i can't find footage of it. maybe on his centerstage interview? jerry west says so unequivocally if you're looking to quote a great gm. so does pat riley. and bob cousy. larry bird. magic johnson. isiah thomas. grant hill. dominique wilkins. charles barkley. reggie miller. kenny smith. hubie brown. tracy mcgrady. allen iverson. shaquille oneal. bob knight. dean smith. actually pretty much every player, coach, or gm i've ever heard questioned on it since jordan hit his peak has said he was the best except big o (who said big o was the best), wilt (who said wilt was the best), russell (who said there's about 6 possibilities but wouldn't commit to one), and mark jackson who said it was kobe.
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yeah,I posted an article a few pages back where Cousy says he's the best player he ever saw.
You should learn to spell correctly anyone you are trying to denigrate.
That is all.
I found the article I was talking about earlier in this thread
[quote]Bill Russell won five MVP awards, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar won six, but the element of Jordan's game which separates him from all the rest is his attendance. Michael played 13 years, playing all 82 games eight times. Ten times Jordan played 80 or more games, one year he only played 18 games due to a broken foot, one year he played only 17 games after coming back from baseball, and there's only one other year he played 78 games. That competitive fire and desire to play and desire to win is second to none. Michael showed up to give you 30 or more points on a nightly basis, with the great shooting percentages, with the rebounding, with the assists and never sacrificed anything on the other end of the floor, where he gave you nine years of First Team All-Defense. There's nobody that's done that. [b]When they compare him for competitiveness, the only guy in the same breath with Jordan is Bill Russell. Russell backed up his game with 11 championships as the heart and soul of the Boston Celtics. Russell's rebounding, shot-blocking and total defensive dominance from the foul line down is unmatched.[/b][color=red] But nobody in the history of the game has dominated at both ends of the floor like Michael Jordan. Therein lies the difference.[/color][/quote]
[url]http://www.nba.com/jordan/hubieonjordan.html[/url]
Kobe>MJ. anyone with eyes can see this.
[QUOTE=Loki]When a player who's actually better shows up, people will recognize it. End of discussion.[/QUOTE]
Truer words have never been spoken
[QUOTE=Loki]When a player who's actually better shows up, people will recognize it. End of discussion.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Can someone find poseidon brain.
[QUOTE=Poseidon]I've said this once and I'll say it again....
Jordan = right place, right time
He'd just be another great swingman had he played in today's game. Jordan would be grouped wirth Kobe, Wade, Iverson and McGrady (also maybe LeBron).
Also his stats would not be as inflated due to Zone defense, non-hand checking rule and better athletes in his position and in the league.
No more 50 point games againt the Craig Ehlo's or the Danny Ainge's or the Jeff Malone's of the world. He'll now be facing some real, athletic competition.
Also players like Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Josh Smith and about 10 others would put Jordan's "AIR" moniker to shame with their dunks compared the MJ's generic ones. He can kiss any Slam Dunk title away because he would NEVER win one in today's league.
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