80's vs 90's

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team :rolleyes:

Then Again in 1996 The Bulls Won Again With An 80s Based Drafted Team!

Jordan: 1984 SUPERSTAR
Pippen: 1988 SUPERSTAR
Harper: 1986 (All Star Caliber for 5-6 over 20 ppg and A Top Defensive SG)
Rodman: 1986 All-Star. Defensive Player of The Year and Top Rebounder of the 90s


Sorry...but...

Kevin Jhonson is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1987 :)
Tim Hardaway is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1989 (at age 23, could have been drafter earlier maybe) :)

And Yes, David Robinson was drafted in 1989. He is 80s not 90s :no: and could have probaly entered the NBA even earlier in 1986 at age 21 but he decided to finish his Marine etc:)


On the other Hand. Yes 90s Was An Era of Marketing but 80s was More Passionete and Fan-Like by Far. Fans in the 80s Where Also More Blind and Rivalries Were Way Superior to the 90s [/B]:)

[B]1980s Rocks:pimp:[/B][/QUOTE]


I made my list in a general sense..when I think of jordan for example I think of 80's...the mj with hair tongue wagging and sky walking (althought that wasnt MJ in his prime,which was later in the 90s )

But when you think of say Kevin Johson and a Tim HArdaway...I understand they may have been drafted (late) 80's but they are pretty much 90s era players...same can be said for David Robinson.

I mean i guess it boils down everyones opinion ..and thats just mine..

And last but not least,Jordan Dominated the NBA ..no if's/ but's /questions... in the 90s ask the knicks..Spurs..Blazers..Suns and all the other ringless Hall Of Famers etc..Jordan was dominant with a perfect cast of teammates who knew they're role and played within the system.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]truthfully, i dont know. my thing is that there isnt much of a difference. all eras had great players obviously some better than others. i really dont know how you can say one era is better than another because of when certain players were drafted. because all careers overlap decades so really its a no win situation. im more interested in why 80s proponents are so hell bent on belittleing the 90s ans 00s. i mean, i remember the 80s and as far as style id say the 80s is the more exciting.but the 80s had their weaknesses too. rampant drug abuse and inflated stats due to pace dont help the 80s.

as far as competition the bulls never really had a team as great as them in my opinion, they were the greatest team assembled best player ever, best defensive player ever, the best rebounder ever, statisticly, the best 3pt shooter ever one of the best european players ever. one of the best benches ever and the best coach ever. and heres were i differ with alot of people its not a knock on the teams they played against or insufficient competition, they were just better than everyone else. if the bulls never existed then there would be a similar magic bird rivalry probably between shaq and olajuwan and barkley and malone. which would mean that you would probably have to give a couple more mvps and a multiple championships to those players which would make them in the same argument with magic and bird.[/QUOTE]

[B]If There where no Bird-Magic and Jordans in the late 80s and early 90s Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Robinson, Pippen, Drexler, Stockton, Wilkins etc would have been winning MVPs like Crazy. And if these dudes played in their 20s and early 30s today they would win every MVP over Iverson, Bryant, Duncan, Garnett, Pierce, Ming, Shaq, Lebron James etc.

Only 2 Players that would stand out would beShaq and Lebron James[/B]:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=23jordan23]I made my list in a general sense..when I think of jordan for example I think of 80's...the mj with hair tongue wagging and sky walking (althought that wasnt MJ in his prime,which was later in the 90s )

But when you think of say Kevin Johson and a Tim HArdaway...I understand they may have been drafted (late) 80's but they are pretty much 90s era players...same can be said for David Robinson.

I mean i guess it boils down everyones opinion ..and thats just mine..

And last but not least,Jordan Dominated the NBA ..no if's/ but's /questions... in the 90s ask the knicks..Spurs..Blazers..Suns and all the other ringless Hall Of Famers etc..Jordan was dominant with a perfect cast of teammates who knew they're role and played within the system.[/QUOTE]

[B]Sory dude but Jordan was Prime by 1986-87 season at age 23 and was 26 in 1989-90. Phyisically he was even PRIMER in the LATE 80s than the 90s. He could leap higher, was faster, quicker, more unstoppable in the 1 on 1 situation absolutley impossible to Guard with handchecking rules and real fauls etc. Jordan later on became a smarter, more wittiy player and developed a better fadeaway shot but in terms of Unstoppablenss he was Primer in the Late 80s :confusedshrug: [/B]

I think most people acknowledge that the 80's was the greatest era in NBA history. I mean back in those days you needed 3 HOFers to even think about making the NBA Finals. Players were much more fundamentally sound in the 80's than they were in the 90's and today. By 1996 the NBA expanded by 25%. If you even had 1 HOF player on your team in the 90's it was almost a guarantee playoff spot while in the 80's 1 HOF player might not get you into the playoffs. The talent in the 80's was just amazing and we will never see another decade like that again. The Rivalries were 100x better in the 80's than in the 90's. You had Celtics vs Sixers in the early 80's. Lakers vs Celtics throughout the whole decade. And Celtics vs Pistons in the late 80's. You also had 3 of the greatest players of all time playing in the mid 80's. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan. Those 3 players won atleast 1 MVP award in the 80's. 4 out of the 10 greatest teams in NBA history played in the 80's. The '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers , and '89 Pistons. Anyone who doesn't think the 80's were the greatest decade in NBA history really needs a history lesson.

Here is another way to look at it. Lets list some of the 2nd and 3rd tier stars from each decade (some that haven't even been mentioned) and see which were better.


[B]'80s[/B]
Fat Lever
Micheal Ray Richardson
Otis Birdsong
Walter Davis
Gus Williams
Buck Williams
Kiki Vandeghe
Norm Nixon
Reggie Theus
Marques Johnson
Alvin Robertson
Mo Cheeks
Larry Nance

Now,compare with 2nd and 3rd tier '90s All-Stars

[B]
'90s[/B]
Horace Grant
Mookie Blaylock
John Starks
Terrell Brandon
Larry Johnson
Tom Gugliotta
Otis Thorpe
Dan Majerle
Terry Porter
Kevin Duckworth
Danny Manning
Sean Elliot
Glen Rice


Now, which group of star players is better?

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]If There where no Bird-Magic and Jordans in the late 80s and early 90s Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Robinson, Pippen, Drexler, Stockton, Wilkins etc would have been winning MVPs like Crazy. And if these dudes played in their 20s and early 30s today they would win every MVP over Iverson, Bryant, Duncan, Garnett, Pierce, Ming, Shaq, Lebron James etc.

Only 2 Players that would stand out would beShaq and Lebron James[/B]:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

if your talking about the whole decade i would say that shaq early 00s td and kobe would have something to say about that mvps and championships aainst all those other teams. but obviously jordan is in another world.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Here is another way to look at it. Lets list some of the 2nd and 3rd tier stars from each decade (some that haven't even been mentioned) and see which were better.


[B]'80s[/B]
Fat Lever
Micheal Ray Richardson
Otis Birdsong
Walter Davis
Gus Williams
Buck Williams
Kiki Vandeghe
Norm Nixon
Reggie Theus
Marques Johnson
Alvin Robertson
Mo Cheeks
Larry Nance

Now,compare with 2nd and 3rd tier '90s All-Stars

[B]
'90s[/B]
Horace Grant
Mookie Blaylock
John Starks
Terrell Brandon
Larry Johnson
Tom Gugliotta
Otis Thorpe
Dan Majerle
Terry Porter
Kevin Duckworth
Danny Manning
Sean Elliot
Glen Rice


Now, which group of star players is better?[/QUOTE]

80's:rockon:

[QUOTE=miles berg]Please, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, and Amare Stoudemire would all drop 35+ on a prime Barkley, right now. No way in hell he could guard those guys. Everyone wants to live in the past but the guys today are better than any era of NBA players ever and the NBA today is the best it has been since '93. It took a decade to get over expansion and salary caps and all the free agency and stuff but todays NBA is loaded with some of the greatest players to ever play in this league.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much everything you just said is wrong.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Sory dude but Jordan was Prime by 1986-87 season at age 23 and was 26 in 1989-90. Phyisically he was even PRIMER in the LATE 80s than the 90s. He could leap higher, was faster, quicker, more unstoppable in the 1 on 1 situation absolutley impossible to Guard with handchecking rules and real fauls etc. Jordan later on became a smarter, more wittiy player and developed a better fadeaway shot but in terms of Unstoppablenss he was Primer in the Late 80s :confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]

Jordan's prime could best be defined as 1988-1992, which inconveniently is evenly divided between the 80s and 90s.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]I think most people acknowledge that the 80's was the greatest era in NBA history. I mean back in those days you needed 3 HOFers to even think about making the NBA Finals. Players were much more fundamentally sound in the 80's than they were in the 90's and today. By 1996 the NBA expanded by 25%. If you even had 1 HOF player on your team in the 90's it was almost a guarantee playoff spot while in the 80's 1 HOF player might not get you into the playoffs. The talent in the 80's was just amazing and we will never see another decade like that again. The Rivalries were 100x better in the 80's than in the 90's. You had Celtics vs Sixers in the early 80's. Lakers vs Celtics throughout the whole decade. And Celtics vs Pistons in the late 80's. You also had 3 of the greatest players of all time playing in the mid 80's. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan. Those 3 players won atleast 1 MVP award in the 80's. 4 out of the 10 greatest teams in NBA history played in the 80's. The '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers , and '89 Pistons. Anyone who doesn't think the 80's were the greatest decade in NBA history really needs a history lesson.[/QUOTE]

here we go again. now, if your talking about popularity by your "most fans " statement then its 90s hands down. the 90s had higher ratings. and as far as hofers on teams, if your talking about careers then the 97 bulls have at least 4 players that are going to the hall or are in(jordan, pippen rodman, and parrish) not to mention kukoc might get in based on his accomplishments. but how many of those teams had players playing at a hof level for every year? i mean, was kareem really playing at a hof level in 87 and 88? i believe without looking that he averaged about 15-17 points and 6-7 rebounds as a third option behind worthy and scott. the celtics had 3 hof but remember mchale was a 6th man for 2 of their 3 championships. the pistons probably will have 3 players with hof careers but while they were winning only two. or how about the sixers, i know they had only 2 and i feel that was the best team in the 80s.now, the bulls had three players in the 96-98 teams all palying at a hof level. so to sum it up all those teams you mention only had about 2 players playn at a hof level.

[QUOTE=72-10]Jordan's prime could best be defined as 1988-1992, which inconveniently is evenly divided between the 80s and 90s.[/QUOTE]

no, jordans prime was from the time he was drafted to the time he retired as a bull the second time. i mean, he was the MVP in 98 for goodness sake. now if you to say athlecticly then absolutely he was in his prime in from his rookie season to 93.

[QUOTE=72-10]Pretty much everything you just said is wrong.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

i agree the 00s have prouced some terrible teams to make it to the finals the iverson sixers, and the kidd nets.

What I don't like about this thread is that "the 80s" aren't considered an era. There is an era that is considered the best in basketball history, but it includes most of both decades, such cutoffs range from as far as the drafting of Magic and Bird (1980 season) to Jordan's retirement from the Bulls (1998 season), or Jordan's drafting (1985 season) to his first retirement (1993 season). You could argue that the most competitive years were the late 1980s, 87, 88, 89, but the early 90s are just a step behind it.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]no, jordans prime was from the time he was drafted to the time he retired as a bull the second time. i mean, he was the MVP in 98 for goodness sake. now if you to say athlecticly then absolutely he was in his prime in from his rookie season to 93.[/QUOTE]

Jordan was the best player in the world for nearly his entire career, I'm just saying that he played his best basketball from about 88-92.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]if your talking about the whole decade i would say that shaq early 00s td and kobe would have something to say about that mvps and championships aainst all those other teams. but obviously jordan is in another world.[/QUOTE]

[B]But if Shaq played withought Penny Hardaway-Grant or Bryant and would have had no Stars and Not the Greatest of Supporting Casts as did Barkley, Hakeem, Drexler, Ewing, Robinson, Wilkins etc for Various Years I dont think he would have elavated the level of his teams as these others did (becase these dudes where more All Around with the exception of Ewing and Wilkins although Wilkins was CLUTCH and Ewing a Major Leader, inspirer!). So then = only Shaq would get 1 MVP out of them 2 (Shaq and Bryant), while these others dudes: if Bird-Magic and Jordan where not there = would have won each of them 2-3 or 4 MVPs for their intiire whole NBA Careers :).

Let me remined you that Dominique Wilkins was way more unstoppable than Bryant, better rebounder and way way! way! more Clutch. He played in a tougher era and conference [U]all by himself [/U] pretty much and had major battles with the Bad Boys, Jordan and Bird .:rockon: :confusedshrug: [/B]