Wilt Chamberlain scoring highlights 1960-1968

[QUOTE=dankok8]Yes Jordan's impact in the 86-87 season was mighty overrated. His team won 40 games and like you pointed out they were average offensively despite his monster numbers. Of course the Bulls' talent that year was much worse than Wilt's at any points in his career. Oak and Paxson were his 2nd and 3rd options. OUCH!

But Jordan wasn't so overrated later on. As years went by and he became a better player his Bulls were getting increasingly dominant offensively. MJ learned to trust his teammates and focused on making the best basketball play. Just like Wilt was a better player (or at least played the right way) in 66-67 as opposed to 61-62.

It's actually possible for the most efficient scorer on a team to take more shots but for the team's collective offense to get worse. Ever heard of the Braess Paradox?



ORtg is an abstract formula? :roll:

Points/Pace * 100 ... It looks at points scored per 100 possessions. Wilt's team scored the most PPG but they were also the fastest paced team in 61-62. ORtg corrects for pace.

Wilt in the '66 playoffs didn't play nearly as well as in the regular season. His cumulative stats held up (although assists still plummeted from 5.2 to 3.0 and efficiency dropped from 52.2 %TS to 50.0 %TS...) but look at it game by game. Wilt in games 1 through 4 averaged 23.5 ppg on 48.7 %FG and well under 50 %TS. He really didn't have a good series. He had 3 subpar games on the offensive end.

G1: 25/32 (9/17, 7/15)
G2: 23/25 (9/23, 5/7)
G4: 31/27/4 (12/22, 7/17)
G4: 15/33/3/6 (7/14, 1/4)
G5: 46/34 (19/34, 8/25)

Series Average: 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, 3.0 apg on 50.9% FG/41.2% FT/50.0% TS

And again you dismiss the possibility that Wilt was at least partly responsible for his teammates underperforming.[/QUOTE]

Regarding Wilt's '66 playoff series, you and I both know that PHILA posted a recap of Chamberlain's worst game in that series (game four), and his play was described as nearly single-handedly beating Boston in that game.

And, yes, I suppose that Wilt might have had some blame in losing that series, but from what I have read, and then from what the blatantly obvious numbers show, his teammates were mostly certainly just crushed by Russell's.

IMHO, Wilt's post-season career is often judged solely by his two rings. However, it was not as if his team's were just blown away in the first round of the playoffs, and in series in which he was just awful. He played on five other teams that lost to the eventual champions, in game seven's, and in four of those, the losses were by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points.

Not only that, but aside from the Celtic Dynasty, in which he suffered series losses in seven of the eight times his team's played them, his team's would also go on to lose to the '70 Knicks, and the '71 Bucks...two teams which often show up as among the greatest ever. And in his last season, his Lakers lost 4-1 to a Knick team that had six HOFers, and all four losses came in the last minute (by margins of 4, 4, 5, and 9 points.)

And if you take the eight series against Boston away from his post-season averages, he often played better, overall, than he did in his regular seasons. I have mentioned it before, but had his team's been locked in the Western Conference in the first half of his career, his playoff numbers likely would have shot thru the roof. I am not claiming that he would have had any more rings because of it, because ultimately he would have had to face Boston in every year of them, but he would have probably had at least one more series, each year, and in most of them, he would have faced a Laker team that he was routinely scoring 50+ points on in his regular season H2H's (and with six games of 60+ in that span, including a 78 point game.) And we both agree that Russell went on to generally demolish those Laker teams himself. Here again, maybe his teaqm's don't even beat those Laker squads, but I am convinced that his overall offensive production would have likely, at the very least, mirrored what he did against the Hawks in his lone season in the West (39 ppg on a .556 FG%, in a post-season NBA that averaged 105.8 ppg on a .420 eFG%.)


Look, I don't want to keep arguing with you on Wilt's career. At this point you have your opinions, and I have mine, and all we are doing is just recycling the same arguments. And, like some other posters here, I may not always agree with your opinions, but I do respect them. So, I will politely just end this by saying that, maybe we should just agree to disagree.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Julizaver,

You don't have to ever apologize to that clown. First of all, your research regarding the KAJ-Wilt H2H's was the first that I ever saw on the internet, and in fact, was routinely being used as THE source by many others.

Secondly, I know that English is, at the very least, your second language. I suspect that there are many here, who only speak English, and yet their written English is far worse than your's.

And finally, you don't really expect Millwad to get into any discussion with you that involves facts, or data, or logic, or any kind of real research, do you? He would have his a$$ handed to him on his own toilet seat.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am European and English is not my native language.
I have started the research about KAJ and Wilt two years before I published it here. The break came when I found the Milwaukee newspapers in the googlenews archives. Only when I have all the complete data I published it,otherwise I have most of the data for most of the time.

[QUOTE=julizaver]Yes, I am European and English is not my native language.
I have started the research about KAJ and Wilt two years before I published it here. The break came when I found the Milwaukee newspapers in the googlenews archives. Only when I have all the complete data I published it,otherwise I have most of the data for most of the time.[/QUOTE]

You do a great job always and keep it up!! The extra advantage you will find in your newspaper work, imo, is by going [I]away[/I] from the NBA cities in your research. Generally the newspapers were infinitely less biased than today's corporate media - which is absolutely scandalous..... but not in the sports pages!!

Some city newspapers that might give you a different viewpoint about the NBA of those days would be Dallas, Ft. Worth, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh. For the regular season they might have 3 or 4 articles about teams in a season, but often the sportswriters from those cities would travel to the playoff games. All of those guys liked to hit the bars after the games!!

The very dregs of reporting in those days came from Boston, where they even [I]lied[/I] about stats in the sports pages. Some of those writers sat by cops when they showed up in the other cities because the cops were the only guys that wouldn't beat them down.