Draft day, free agency, training camp, pre season...

Stars coming together.

Udoka/Gill
Brantley/Scott/Morgan?
Bluiett/Miller/Oni?
Hughes/Toolson/Wright Forman?
Forrest/Goss?

Another formidable lineup potentially led by all gleaguer Brantley

[url]https://kslsports.com/448981/report-jazz-signing-forward-malcolm-miller/[/url]

[QUOTE]The roster sat at 14 players on guaranteed contracts after signing guard Shaquille Harrison last week excluding the Jazz recent additions of Scott, Ferrell, and Miller.


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You sure about that? Oni and Morgan should be non guaranteed still as far as I know. Ferrell?

guess they can have 6 exhibit 10's. Could be one more. Fill out the rest of the Stars roster with returning players and the draft

Marc Stein: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The NBA season will begin next week with seven of its 30 NBA teams allowing reduced crowds inside: Cleveland, Houston, Memphis, New Orleans, Orlando, Toronto and Utah[/URL] … with the Raptors, of course, temporarily located in Tampa rather home
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine"]Twitter TheSteinLine[/URL]

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50069658/its-definitely-a-different-style-of-play-jazz-continue-to-rain-3s-finish-preseason-unbeaten[/url]

defense?

[url]https://kslsports.com/448986/jazz-picked-to-finish-6th-in-west-in-gm-survey/[/url]

[QUOTE]Mitch did receive a vote as the player most likely to become a successful head coach. Derrick Favors received a vote as the most underrated acquisition of the offseason, while Quin Snyder received a vote as the coach most capable of making in-game adjustments.

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and why didn't he make them against Denver?

[url]https://fansided.com/2020/12/17/utah-jazz-trade-rudy-gobert-supermax-extension/[/url]

[QUOTE][h=2]Will the Jazz have to trade Rudy Gobert?[/h]

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of course not. They may choose to but no one would be forcing them to

[QUOTE]Gobert is what he is, a traditional center who’s a top-end defender and rebounder and shoots 64 percent from the floor of his career. But 90-plus percent of his field-goal attempts from within 10 feet of the basket every year, and most of those (80-plus percent of his field-goal attempts in four of the last five seasons) come from within three feet of the basket. Hardly a supermax player in today’s game, if we’re being honest.


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one of the best players in the game period. You can argue as to how much sense it is to pay him or anyone the supermax but few have earned it or deserve it as much certainly not his teammate

[QUOTE]JD Shaw: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Clippers have waived guard Rayjon Tucker,[/URL] the team announced today.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/JShawNBA"]Twitter JShawNBA[/URL]



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Pretty sure the Bucks gleague team would still have his rights.

[QUOTE]Andy Larsen: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Ryan Smith, on if he’ll meddle with bball ops: “I’m not going to go in and chime in to what the basketball side of the house is really doing. I’m just here to help.[/URL] I truly believe that we hire the best and we let them roll, then augment them with anything they need help with.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/andyblarsen"]Twitter andyblarsen[/URL]



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they aren't the best and need serious help!

[QUOTE]Andy Larsen: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Ryan Smith on the Jazz TV deal expiring: “We have younger fans, or digital first fans, or fans who just want to sit in their lazy boy and watch. And you know what? All of those are perfect.[/URL] We want all the fans. I do believe that we can do better, not just one size fits all.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/andyblarsen"]Twitter andyblarsen[/URL]



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needs to get better

[QUOTE]Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Ryan Smith, on his willingness to pay the luxury tax: “We’re in the luxury tax, so that answers that question. … We have a special group.[/URL] Everyone knows where we’re at … We’re not gonna blink. We’re gonna go all-in and we’re gonna commit to this.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



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all in with Clarkson and Favors spotting up in the corner!

[QUOTE]Eric Walden: New Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith, on his relationship with the team: “Quin coaches right where I sit — he always almost trips over my feet. … [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]I love Rudy, I see everything he does and have so much respect for what he does; I’m hoping he’s here for a long time.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



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low ball him and he won't be

[url]https://kslsports.com/448998/jazz-owner-smith-hopes-gobert-is-going-to-be-here-for-a-really-long-time/[/url]

[QUOTE]On the other, it could be interpreted that the ball now rests in Gobert’s court. The Jazz obviously want him back, but the two-time Defensive Player of the Year needs to reciprocate that desire, even if it means shaving a few dollars off his asking price.


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If reports are true the ball is the Jazz court. He has no reason to take a mere max offer that he can get from another team. Anything less than Mitchell or what other teams can offer would be stupid

[QUOTE]In total, Smith has committed nearly $300 million to three Jazz players over the next half-decade without coming to terms with Gobert.


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have fun paying that for a losing team if Rudy goes

[URL="https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-sign-yogi-ferrell-and-malcolm-miller?cid=jazz_natsocial_twitter_signing_20201218"]The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has signed guard Yogi Ferrell and forward Malcolm Miller.[/URL] Per team policy, terms of the deal were not released. Additionally, the team has waived guard Trevon Bluiett, center Romaro Gill, forward Tre Scott and guard Jake Toolson.
– via [URL="https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-sign-yogi-ferrell-and-malcolm-miller?cid=jazz_natsocial_twitter_signing_20201218"]NBA.com[/URL]

Ben Anderson: By the way, [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Mike Cannon-Brookes who is now a minority owner in the @UtahJazz would be the second wealthiest owner in the NBA if he owned the majority share according to Forbes[/URL]. He’s valued at $15 billion. Steve Ballmer at $51 billion is by far the richest.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]

Jay Allen: Coach Stotts says [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Anfernee Simons (hamstring) won’t play tonight in Denver. Stotts says he’s hoping that Simons will be available for Opening Night Dec. 23[/URL] vs. Utah. #RipCity
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/PDXjay"]Twitter PDXjay[/URL]

[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2922894-2021-nba-trade-deadline-deals-to-dream-about[/url]

could do worse I guess

[QUOTE][h=3][URL="https://*********.com/rumor/rudy-gobert-not-concerned-with-supermax-extension-deadline/"]Rudy Gobert not concerned with supermax extension deadline[/URL][/h][IMG]https://*********.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/92/2019/11/i_15_0d_bb_rudy-gobert.png?w=190[/IMG]Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gobert said he’s not concerned with the supermax deadline on the 21st. He’s worried about winning. Says he’ll be taken care of this year or next year[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]





Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Asked about Donovan’s perimeter defense comments, Rudy added: “I love to see how we’ve really put an emphasis on defense — not just the scheme, but every single one of us trying to be disruptive and physical.” Said he felt everyone giving their best effort there the past 2 games[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gobert: “It’s stepping on the court every single night with the mindset that we’re just going to dominate defensively. … That has to be where our focus is. … If we want a chance at a championship, that’s the DNA we need to have, and we need to have it every single night.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



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believe it when I see it!

[h=3]https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/19/22190774/nba-utah-jazz-news-and-notes-rudy-gobert-contract-trade[/h]
[QUOTE]Probably the biggest surprise this offeason was the sale of the Utah jazz to Ryan Smith. But so far it seems like smooth sailing as the Jazz have continued their trajectory from last season.


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You mean they've taken a step back with Favors back at the 4?

[QUOTE]It apparently almost didn’t happen because Smith was closing to buying the [URL="https://www.canishoopus.com/"]Minnesota Timberwolves[/URL].


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bidding not buying

[QUOTE]Hopefully Smith can figure something out for Jazz fans in terms of a streaming option, as well as finding a way to improve the TV product. We’ve had multiple seasons with ATT Sports Net and they haven’t always been good. They’ve chosen to literally not show certain preseason games for multiple years and have had issues with their broadcast multiple times. It can be better. Maybe that will mean a different TV deal when the contract is up, or finding a new partner. We shall see.


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I remember when there only like 20 games total on :roll:

[QUOTE]I like that Smith is willing to let the Jazz front office do its job. Regardless of this quote from Smith about letting people do their jobs, trades have to be approved by owners. So there will be things that come across his desk he has to sign off on. Will he allow the Jazz to make a big trade if they have to? Probably, but it’s got to be hard going from fan to big time decision maker.


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now if he gets the right people to make those decisions not ones that are sentimental with the past

[QUOTE]Perhaps this Monday we will have a deal. It’s just not clear why that hasn’t happened up until now. Unless Gobert, or Utah, has some sort of change of heart on Monday we likely don’t see a deal done.


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If reports are true it's pretty clear. They are trying to low ball him with a max deal. He can get that anytime so unless he's worried about injury there's little incentive in it for him to sign. He already did that with his last deal but now that he's made over 100 million it's a bit easier to risk injury even though he's had a few scares though not for a few years now


[QUOTE]Because of the signing of Giannis Antetokounmpo, Gobert becomes one of the top, if not the top, free agent next offseason and will likely garner serious interest from multiple teams.


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He's number 1 unless Kawai joins. Several teams can pay him max. Good times for Rudy! He's earned every bit of it

[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30545242/nba-approves-ryan-smith-new-owner-utah-jazz[/url]

[QUOTE]Smith said he anticipates needing to "be on a learning curve" as he takes over ownership of the team, especially on the basketball side, expressing great confidence in Jazz executive vice president of basketball operations Dennis Lindsey, general manager Justin Zanik and coach Quin Snyder.


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too bad

[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2020/12/19/nba-2020-21-christmas-wishlist-lakers-lebron/29/[/url]

[QUOTE]Gobert has been a good player for the Jazz and one of the best defense of players in the NBA over the past few seasons, but I’m just not sure that Utah should invest big money in a center in today’s NBA.


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Yeah tough decision. Back to sucking or continuing to compete :lol

[QUOTE]Scott Agness: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Pacers have waived Naz Mitrou-Long, along with Devin Robinson and Josh Gray[/URL]. The roster is set at 17, 15 NBA contracts + 2 two-ways.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ScottAgness"]Twitter ScottAgness[/URL]



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wonder if the Stars still hold Long's rights? He'd be a nice addition

[QUOTE]Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Donovan Mitchell said he liked how the Jazz looked in the preseason, but said the opener vs. the Blazers will be a test of the defense: “It’s a big one coming up in first game of season with Dame and CJ. … But I thought our defense really picked up the last 2 preseason games.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Donovan, on new Jazz owner Ryan Smith: “He’s a guy who’s passionate about what he does, locked in on the ultimate goal. … He came in and spoke to us a few days ago, which was nice … he trusts that the basketball minds are good at what they do.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



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too bad

[url]https://kslsports.com/449116/utah-jazz-waive-yogi-ferrell-malcolm-miller-prior-to-regular-season-opener/[/url]

so I assume Yogi was the 6th Exhibit 10? They will carry only 14 or go after someone like Kaminsky?

Stars coming together.

Udoka/Gill
Brantley/Scott/Morgan?
Bluiett/Miller/Oni?
Hughes/Toolson/Wright Forman?
Forrest/Ferrell/Goss?

Another formidable lineup potentially led by all gleaguer Brantley

[I]I'd assume this is the final roster:

Rudy/Favors/Udoka
[I]O'Neale/Niang/Morgan/Brantley
[I]Bojan/Ingles/Oni
[I]Mitchell/Clarkson/Hughes
[I]Conley/Harrison/Forrest

Still room for 1 more but I'm guessing they'll leave it open to save on tax. Pretty ridiculous that this team is in the tax! [/I][/I][/I][/I][/I]:facepalm

[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/12/19/22190817/jazz-mailbag-rudy-gobert-supermax-who-are-the-9th-and-10th-players-in-the-rotation[/url]

[QUOTE]At this point, there’s no reason to think that Gobert wants to leave the Jazz, and there’s no reason to think that the Jazz want Gobert to leave. I don’t have any doubts about the Jazz’s ability to work out a deal or about Gobert’s desire to stay in Utah.


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If they are low balling him as reports indicate they certainly don't want him to stay

[QUOTE]I understand that there is concern among the fans about this situation, and there’s legitimate reason to fear that one of the best players on the team could hit unrestricted free agency or that the Jazz would look to trade him. I get why those fears exist.


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one of the best? Seriously? He's unquestionably the 3rd most important person in the organization ever. It's not even close. Should be thinking about where his statue will go not if you want to pay him what he's earned

[QUOTE]But I don’t think that the Jazz will let that happen, and I don’t think that they are going to trade Gobert. So yes, I think that Gobert will still be on the team at the end of the season even if a deal isn’t reached by Dec. 21. That’s just my feeling.


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Favors and Udoka and the reports of them low balling him after paying Mitchell supermax tell me otherwise
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The players that’ll likely be considered the most at the end of the rotation are Shaquille Harrison, Georges Niang, Juwan Morgan and Miye Oni.


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would appear to be Niang and Shaq. Morgan should start but won't
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If there are there are injuries or players are unable to play because of COVID-19 protocols, that could impact the end of the bench or the main rotational players. For example, if O’Neale is hurt, that could lead to Quin Snyder putting Harrison in the startling lineup and then working with the rest of the core. If Niang is unable to play, that could mean that Oni is the first player from the end of the bench to get minutes.


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yeah get even smaller!
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If the Jazz are playing a particularly large team, they could go to Morgan before they go to Oni or Harrison, but they could choose Harrison first if they’re playing a smaller team. If the Jazz want space and pace, then Niang is the best choice.


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they should want size and D

[QUOTE]Bottom line is that I think Harrison, Niang, Morgan and Oni are likely to get opportunities to play this season depending on the situation.


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that's everyone. Way to go out on a limb!

[QUOTE]First, inconsistency. It’s something that multiple people have brought up. Most notably, Mitchell and Snyder have pointed to needing to be able to play on a high level more consistently in order to get over the hump. That’s more a mental game than it is anything else.


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starting with Mitchell. Is he going to show up from day one or a couple of months into the year like always?

[QUOTE]Secondly, health and injury. If the Jazz have any major injuries or health problems, that could really hurt them. We saw what happened last season when they didn’t have Bogdanovic in the playoffs. I think the Jazz are deeper and better this year so one injury might not be as detrimental, but against some of the better teams, that could be the difference between winning and losing.


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We didn't really see it though. The offense hummed without Bojan and the D was arguably better. They are slightly deeper. Rudy's the one guy that can't go down as great as Favors is!!! :lol

[QUOTE]Finally, they could just come up against a team that’s better. I think that the Golden State Warriors (despite Klay Thompson’s injury), the Los Angeles Lakers, the Clippers, the Dallas Mavericks and the Portland Trail Blazers are the most threatening teams in the West this year. I think that the Jazz have the ability to beat any one of these teams, but they could also very well fall to them in a seven-game series.


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they don't have the ability to beat any of them. We saw it last year. Favors isn't the answer sorry

Still lack the size, versatility, D and depth besides Favors and the horrendous spacing we've already seen. Don't even have him spotting up for 3 anymore!

[QUOTE][B]DM will want to get traded in 2 years[/B]


We wont have money to build around them
No one will want Rudy at this salary, so we will have to trade DM
Take a screenshot of this comment. It will come to pass

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/statpower"]statpower[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534649316"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:02 AM[/URL]
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as we've seen anyone can get traded. If Mitchell wants out I say let him go. He's certainly not worth what he's being paid unlike Rudy

[QUOTE]I understand that Rudy’s worth it. I just don’t think we can build an improving roster around these deals without hitting home runs late in the draft.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Korumbian"]Korumbian[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534649479"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:08 AM[/URL]
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I think you can. Look at all the guys making big money right now that are expendable. Pretty much everyone but O'Neale IMO


[QUOTE][B]bad deal. we should've let him walk so we could pick up a quality centre like andre drummond in free agency[/B]



Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Viktor%20Vaughn"]Viktor Vaughn[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534649696"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:16 AM[/URL]

[B]oh wait we have favors so we don't need drummond[/B]


but now that we’ve re-signed rudy we’re missing out on quality free agents like demar derozan

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Viktor%20Vaughn"]Viktor Vaughn[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650129"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:31 AM[/URL]


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:roll:

[QUOTE][B]I am glad it is just $205M[/B]


Hopefully this doesn’t lead to Rudy being traded in a few years.
If he can keep up his elite play through this contract and then pick up a team-friendly retirement contract, his spot in the Jazz pantheon is guaranteed.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Stocktons"]Stocktons[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650524"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:43 AM[/URL]
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His spot was guaranteed long ago. Where to place the statue should be the only question

[QUOTE][B]Gobert gets a statue first[/B]


He was here first.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/socaljazzfan"]socaljazzfan[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534652165"]Dec 20, 2020 | 10:38 AM[/URL]
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and he's earned it

[QUOTE]Stifle tower surrounded by elite 3 point shooting is a winning formula. We were a Bogdanovic & back up center away last year – and those holes have been filled.
I know it’s preseason, but that Clippers game was a Jazz team unlike any I’ve seen. Aggressive 3s, defensive specialists, relentless pace, poise amid setbacks, no drop off from the bench. Their stars just shut down. I saw no holes.
I’m drinking to kool-aid hard. I see us putting together a 3 year Golden State type run. We’re going to surprise a lot of people.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Bredon31"]Bredon31[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650881"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:56 AM[/URL]
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no PF other than Favors. They have much to prove

[QUOTE]We have the best shooting team in the league and if the 3’s go our way we’re going to be hard for any team, even LA, to beat.
We just need to learn to sustain that level of play over a season, we saw what we could be last year in a lot of games but in others our bench, an inconsistent Rudy or Donovan, or adjusting Conley were downfalls.
This year our bench is better, hopefully Donovan and Rudy are better, and Conley has adjusted.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/TheNextGM"]TheNextGM[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534651257"]Dec 20, 2020 | 10:10 AM[/URL]
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had the best shooting team. Enter Favors

[QUOTE]Over the next two years we have Donovan, Rudy, and Bogey, who are arguably the three best players on the Jazz, on contract. Conley’s contract comes off the books. We still have Joe next year. I think this is the best case scenario for the Jazz. Best to overpay for a franchise cornerstone and keep a slim chance of contention than to squander Mitchell’s prime trying to rebuild. Also, in reality for a small market team to contend, they have to go into the tax. We have a gung-ho owner now with apparently deep pockets who it sounds like is willing to pay the tax to filed a competitive team.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/PianoGuy13"]PianoGuy13[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534651252"]Dec 20, 2020 | 10:09 AM[/URL]
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Bojan isn't as good as Conley or O'Neale. Having Joe next year isn't necessarily a good thing and I love Joe. He's fallen off a lot

[QUOTE]Way too much money for a very offensively limited player. Only dunks, can’t shoot at all, and can’t hit free throws.
In my opinion this was a terrible move by the Jazz. Terrible.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Matt_Grbac"]Matt_Grbac[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534651960"]Dec 20, 2020 | 10:32 AM[/URL]
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He shoots ok for a big at the line. At least he gets there

[QUOTE] Do you really think you can win a championship with Gobert as your second best player?

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/MyDogsNameIsOwen"]MyDogsNameIsOwen[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534652480"]Dec 20, 2020 | 10:47 AM[/URL]
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he's their best player

[QUOTE][B]So if the jazz were planning[/B]


On re signing rudy all along, why did we draft udoka 10-15 spots higher then he should have went?

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/ThomasSmithjaz1"]ThomasSmithjaz1[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534653822"]Dec 20, 2020 | 11:26 AM[/URL]
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Center was what they needed most with all their centers going to be free agents and no young guy to develop. He was also insurance if Rudy left. If he emerges they can move on from Favors in the corner

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract[/url]

[QUOTE]Even though this is probably more than what the Jazz wanted to pay it was clear that Gobert was going to be offered something next offseason around the max. There were no big free agents left after the signing of Giannis Antetokounmpo and so Utah had to make the move to keep their cornerstone center for years to come.


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He was getting the max no matter what

[QUOTE][B]Different[/B]


Donovan is fair market value. Rudy is not. Regular maxes are fine. Super maxes screw over small franchises

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534649022"]Dec 20, 2020 | 8:51 AM[/URL]

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How is a high usage/low efficiency one way player fair market value on a super max and one of the best two way players in the game is an overpay? :lol

[QUOTE][B]During Donovan's career:[/B]


-2.3 points per possession without Rudy on the floor.
+8.3 with Rudy on the floor.
Sorry Rudy helped make Donovan what he his.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/IAMCAKEMAN"]IAMCAKEMAN[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650978"]Dec 20, 2020 | 10:00 AM[/URL]
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made the whole franchise what they are. Do Lindsey and Snyder still have jobs without him? Does Hayward get a max deal? Does Mitchell? Could go on and on. They sucked when he emerged and have sucked without him when he's been hurt

[QUOTE]I think Donovan has a higher ceiling than Gobert.
A few more things:
1) Donovan is getting paid less than Rudy
2) the open market is significantly different for the two players. There’s a lot more willing buyers for Donovan than for Rudy. Markets are what determine value, unfortunately. Not anything else

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534651162"]Dec 20, 2020 | 10:06 AM[/URL]
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Mitchell may have a higher ceiling but he's nowhere near it now. Rudy has earned this. Mitchell is being payed on potential. Not sure Mitchell would be more valued. Good franchises now what both players are

[QUOTE]I’d rather remain competitive over the next five years than to sacrifice Donovan’s prime trying to rebuild the team.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/uncle-ingles"]uncle-ingles[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534649262"]Dec 20, 2020 | 8:59 AM[/URL]
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I hope Mitchell's prime is better than this

[QUOTE][B]Some fans want the jazz to win a championship in their lifetime[/B]


Seems like way more fans than I thought are content with just "competitive" first or second round exits

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534649733"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:17 AM[/URL]
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it's lottery or this. Jazz don't have what it takes to win it all. Hoped the new owner might change that but Clarkson and Favors says no

[QUOTE]It’s a bummer. Rudy talks about wanting to win a championship but then is the type of guy that will mope because the Jazz value another guy on the team more than him

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650189"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:32 AM[/URL]
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I wouldn't blame him. Mitchell has yet to anything! Rudy has carried them

[QUOTE][B]People can ask for stuff all they want[/B]


It doesn’t mean that you have to give it to them or that they won’t take less.
Look, I don’t know everything that happened and what the situation is. I just know from my view, it seems like the Jazz’s small chances at a championship are officially dead now. I’m going through the stages of grief and need to get it all out in this comment section cause I don’t want to turn into another Kira situation on SLCDunk. I’ll move on and accept it and still cheer for the Jazz and love Rudy. I’m just bummed that we agreed to a suboptimal contract

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650638"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:46 AM[/URL]

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and yet they gave super max to a guy that hasn't even earned a max

[QUOTE]Just bummed because in my view, the Jazz messed up. See my comment above. Just working through it now. I’ll be good outside of this comment thread, just need to get it all out and express my view and disappointment here.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650733"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:50 AM[/URL]
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Jazz do a lot of messing up. Rudy is one thing they got right

[QUOTE][B]We had to pay a bunch of picks though[/B]


And those picks are going to be a lot more valuable moving forward. I’m not sure it’s a sustainable model to continue year after year

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534653089"]Dec 20, 2020 | 11:04 AM[/URL]
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agreed but that's the price you pay for Clarkson and Favors in the corner

[QUOTE]We’d be stuck getting 15th or 16th picks without Gobert throughout Mitchell’s contract. Too good to ever have a good shot at a generational talent but not too good to ever be more than a sweep in the 1st round. Orlando Magic territory.
If you really want a championship, it all hinges on either Donovan Mitchell’s development or getting rid of the entire roster and trying to get a generational talent. I prefer building around Mitchell now, and if in 3 or 4 years it’s not enough, then we can have this conversation.

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/TheNextGM"]TheNextGM[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534649875"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:22 AM[/URL]
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lottery without Rudy

[QUOTE][B]No, you do improve your chances by signing him to a regular max[/B]


I would have liked the jazz to pursue that. It’s a higher risk, higher reward scenario to gamble on, but that’s my personal risk profile and I understand everyone else may have different risk profiles and that’s fine. It’s probably just something we disagree on

Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract#534650809"]Dec 20, 2020 | 9:53 AM[/URL]
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Rudy would be stupid to stay when he could go to a better franchise. I think he should have left. But that's a lot of money to give up

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2020/12/20/22189224/utah-jazz-three-point-shooting-offense-preseason[/url]

[QUOTE]This 3-point shooting is the key to unlocking the door behind which sits the prize of true playoff contention. Being able to make such a volume of threes makes Utah a dangerous team on offense, something they’ve never truly been in the Snyder era. If they get hot at any point during the 48 minutes of a game it could significantly change the landscape of the contest; flipping a big deficit into a close game or turning a close game into a near blowout.


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defense?

[QUOTE]Even the threat of 3-point shooting will create offense thanks to the 2020 word of the year on Jazz Twitter: “spacing.” Gobert will have ample room to work down low or plenty of options to pick from in kicking out for an open triple. Favors too, will benefit from this spacing.


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except when they play together and when they don't they will be too small once again

[QUOTE]Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Joe Ingles was not available to practice today per the league’s health and safety protocols[/URL] per the @UtahJazz.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]



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Here we go! Trump virus strikes

[QUOTE]Sarah Todd: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“The day we win a championship with this organization, I want it to be with Quin.” -Rudy Gobert[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/NBASarah"]Twitter NBASarah
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Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy, on why he didn’t wait until next summer and join a super-team: “That wouldn’t have fit my story.[/URL] … The last seven yers here, the blood and the sweat — it wouldn’t have meant the same to win it somewhere else. … For me, it will just be something that holds more weight.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



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Hard to imagine with Quin

[QUOTE]Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Donovan, on Rudy’s extension, and their relationship: “It’s big. I’m excited for him and I told him that. … We’re fine. It’s over. It’s past us.[/URL] It’s hard to believe it’s still the same year (that everything happened).”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Donovan, on his on-court relationship with Rudy: “I think we’re in a good spot on the court.[/URL] … What you saw in the bubble is just a small step, a small glimpse.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Donovan: “I applaud Rudy — he showed up every day and you wouldn’t have been able to tell if negotiations were going great or going bad.[/URL] … He was just the ultimate pro.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

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[QUOTE]Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gobert, his mother, his agent, and the @UtahJazz brain trust Dennis Lindsey and Justin Zanik at his contract signing[/URL].
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– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]

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Lindsey looks happier than anyone!

[IMG]https://*********.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/92/2019/11/i_15_0d_bb_rudy-gobert.png?w=190[/IMG][QUOTE]Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy Gobert, on his extension: “A lot of emotions, sharing so much with my family — looking back where we came from and everything we went through.[/URL] Just a great moment to share with my family. And a lot of gratitude — I’m very proud of what we built.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]






Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy: “This decision was easy to make. My heart is here.[/URL] Bringing a championship to this organization and to the state of Utah would be pretty powerful.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]




Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Rudy: “For me, it’s unbelievable — getting drafted 27th, coming from France, barely playing my first year, being in the G League … It means a lot to kids like me[/URL] who feel like they’re being overlooked or are not where they should be. It’s motivating. It’s all about work.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]



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Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Quin Snyder on Rudy Gobert’s extension. “I know Rudy has been committed to Utah, the Jazz, and his teammates. He’s built a house here.[/URL] And he’s thrilled to continue to be a part of this franchise and this community. So it’s a special day.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]



Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Quin Snyder on Rudy Gobert’s growth: Getting on the court any way he can. … The thing that’s unique is his attention. … Recalls how early in Rudy’s time they had to talk to him about being more punctual.[/URL] “You have to care about the little things as much as the big things.”
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

[url]https://kslsports.com/449158/gobert-credits-mom-quin-snyder-after-signing-contract/[/url]

[QUOTE]“The first road trip we had we had to talk to Rudy about being a little more prompt and punctual on the plane,” Snyder remembered. “So something as simple as that. All the little things are really what I’m referring to. And to be a great player and a great teammate you’ve got to care as much about the little things as you do the big things.”


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Couldn't have been too much longer after that he turned the franchise around. December



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[URL="https://theathletic.com/2273889/2020/12/20/rudy-gobert-has-earned-his-205-million-extension-can-he-now-elevate-the-jazz/"]“This is unbelievable,” Gobert said. “I barely played my first year. All of the struggles and the hard work. All of the people who believed in me. This is for my mother, and honestly, I think this means a lot for the kids who feel overlooked and not where they should be.[/URL] I want to motivate them. This is the story I want to tell.”
– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/2273889/2020/12/20/rudy-gobert-has-earned-his-205-million-extension-can-he-now-elevate-the-jazz/"]Tony Jones @ The Athletic[/URL]



In truth, [URL="https://theathletic.com/2273889/2020/12/20/rudy-gobert-has-earned-his-205-million-extension-can-he-now-elevate-the-jazz/"]the Jazz and Gobert were on the same page. The Jazz wanted Gobert to be with the franchise long term. Gobert wanted to be with the Jazz long term. He built a house in Utah.[/URL] Much like his co-star Donovan Mitchell, he’s invested in the community. And he’s a loyal guy. How many Jazz fans remember his famous social media video when Gordon Hayward left the franchise for the Boston Celtics? Gobert has always spoken of being loyal to the Jazz and finding his way to a championship with this team. In that sense, it was just a matter of Gobert and the Jazz finding a number that worked for both sides.
– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/2273889/2020/12/20/rudy-gobert-has-earned-his-205-million-extension-can-he-now-elevate-the-jazz/"]Tony Jones @ The Athletic[/URL]

[QUOTE]New guards coach [URL="https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/rj-barrett-making-it-look-easy-in-promising-knicks-start/"]Johnnie Bryant, who turned Donovan Mitchell into a superstar, has made an impact on Barrett,[/URL] according to people with knowledge of the situation. “I just thought his rim reads were terrific,’’ Thibodeau said. “His all-round play. His ball pressure [on defense] got a lot better as time went on. Offensively he scored a number of different ways — transition, cutting without the ball, off the dribble, catch and shoot.’’
– via [URL="https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/rj-barrett-making-it-look-easy-in-promising-knicks-start/"]Marc Berman @ New York Post[/URL]



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the high usage/low efficiency one way superstar

[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/12/20/22191422/rudy-gobert-utah-jazz-quin-snyder-donovan-mitchell-contract-extension-nba-news[/url]

[QUOTE]That’s why it was impossible not to see Gobert’s letter in direct contrast with another letter written to Utah back in 2017 by [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2017/7/4/20615310/gordon-hayward-declares-independence-from-utah-in-strange-painful-day-for-jazz-fans#utah-jazz-forward-gordon-hayward-20-takes-to-the-court-for-game-five-of-the-first-round-nba-playoffs-series-between-the-utah-jazz-and-the-los-angeles-clippers-at-the-staples-center-in-los-angeles-on-tuesday-april-25-2017"]Gordon Hayward after his chaotic and unceremonious departure from the Jazz[/URL]. It’s hard not to make comparisons across the board between the two players and how differently their stories have played out.


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why make comparisons? Rudy has carried the team. Hayward was riding his coattails like Mitchell and the rest of the organization

[QUOTE]So after all the hemming and hawing, all the worries from fans about getting a deal done, the wait is over. Gobert is here to stay, Mitchell is here to stay, and with Snyder leading the way they are looking to give Utah an NBA title.


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Snyder and Mitchell would be the wildcards in that dream

Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Deputy commissioner Mark Tatum on the G League: “We’ve heard from our teams that they want to have players ready to call up.” Finalizing plans on how the G League tournament will work, and on how call-ups will function. “We’ll have more to talk about in a couple of weeks.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]

Stefan Bondy: Per source, the tentative G League schedule: Jan. 29: Training camp opens at bubble site. [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Feb. 8: Season starts[/URL] March 5: Playoffs start *the hope is that the bubble site is Atlanta but that’s not set.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN"]Twitter SBondyNYDN[/URL]