2021-22 regular season Utah Jazz news, notes and game coverage

[QUOTE] StatMuse: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Most games with 30+ points and 0 assists off the bench by an active player: 4 — Terrence Ross (including tonight)[/URL] 2 — Jordan Clarkson 2 — Montrezl Harrell Professional scorer. pic.twitter.com/pWcz5hHvy9

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/statmuse"]Twitter statmuse[/URL]

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it's called a gunner

[QUOTE] [URL="https://theathletic.com/3047385/2022/01/03/pistons-trade-deadline-primer-part-1-who-is-most-likely-to-be-traded-to-who-for-what/?source=nbatw"]Teams with championship aspirations are routinely calling Detroit about Jerami Grant’s services,[/URL] sources tell The Athletic. And while the Pistons are happy with what Grant provides both on and off the court to the organization, the franchise is currently in the business of capitalizing on its small asset pool, of which Grant takes up the most real estate.

– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/3047385/2022/01/03/pistons-trade-deadline-primer-part-1-who-is-most-likely-to-be-traded-to-who-for-what/?source=nbatw"]James L. Edwards III @ The Athletic[/URL]


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what would the Jazz do with a 4?

Marc Stein: The Pelicans say [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jonas Valanciunas has been upgraded to available for tonight’s game against Utah[/URL] after clearing the league’s health and safety protocols.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine"]Twitter TheSteinLine[/URL]

[URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32987465/golden-state-warriors-draymond-green-appreciative-mvp-comments-utah-jazz-coach-quin-snyder"]“I agree with [Snyder], and that is someone who sees the game for what it is,” said Green, who repeatedly expressed his respect for the Jazz coach.[/URL] “Like his comments said, [Green] don’t go out and get the numbers; he just kind of does it in all ways. I don’t think it can be explained any better. “I’m not going to go out and make an MVP case by stacking my numbers up against Steph Curry or Kevin Durant or Giannis [Antetokounmpo]. It’s not going to be that. But I think the way I impact the game, the things I do on the floor, the things that I do to impact winning, I think there is something to be said for that.”
– via [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32987465/golden-state-warriors-draymond-green-appreciative-mvp-comments-utah-jazz-coach-quin-snyder"]Ohm Youngmisuk @ ESPN[/URL]

[url]https://kslsports.com/476113/jazz-move-to-13-3-on-road-with-win-over-pelicans/[/url]

[QUOTE]“We just have to understand it’s going to be hard for Mike Conley to get a rebound with Valanciunas, it’s gonna be hard for Mike Conley and Donovan Mitchell to get a rebound against Valanciunas,” Snyder said. “But if Mike Conley and Donovan Mitchell and Bojan fight Valanciunas we’ve got a chance to get a rebound.”

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you expect your 2nd tallest stater to fight for boards? :roll:

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/3/22865109/new-orleans-pelicans-rookie-herb-jones-draws-praise-from-donovan-mitchell-and-mike-conley[/url]

[QUOTE]Through 33 NBA games, Jones is averaging 14.3 points, 6.5 points, 3.2 assists, 2.3 steals and 1.8 blocks per 100 possessions. Jones was a rookie that I had my eye on as the draft was approaching, and one [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/28/22596008/utah-jazz-have-1-pick-in-this-years-2021-nba-draft-no-30-overall-what-will-they-do-with-it"]I thought might have worked well for the Jazz[/URL]. He ended up dropping to the second round, with the Pelicans selecting him 35th overall.

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could have had him too. Just what they need. Wouldn't be playing though for the Jazz

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/3/22865108/instant-analysis-utah-jazz-beat-pelicans-on-shoulders-of-fourth-quarter-flurry-from-donovan-mitchell[/url]

[QUOTE]As we’ve seen in multiple games now, the Jazz playing without a traditional center is seemingly more troublesome than many thought it would be when the Jazz picked up Rudy Gay in the offseason. Gay offers a level of versatility offensively that the Jazz haven’t seen, but the Jazz’s small-ball defense hasn’t really been up to par.

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the Jazz have generally sucked without Gobert. Why would anyone think that would suddenly change?

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/1/3/22866270/utah-jazz-overcome-pelicans-in-new-orleans-donovan-mitchell[/url]

[QUOTE]So, we’re in a position where we’re relying on Hassan Whiteside to play. Whiteside has been a very, very nice story this year. But the bulk of his career would tell you that he is not exactly the most reliable player.

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too bad Udoka is hurt just to see how he'd fare not that COTY would play him

[QUOTE]Clearly, the Jazz need an infusion of talent in the perimeter/wing defender role. But at what expense? If you’re the Jazz GM, how are you fixing this roster?

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starting 4, dump Clarkson, Hughes and COTY

[QUOTE]Clarkson is a good shooter, and a good dribbler, but not a very good passer. He is also on a pretty moveable salary.

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he's not a good shooter

[QUOTE]Which one of those subtractions from the offense would disrupt it the least? And who are you targeting in return? Remember, bringing back a starter-caliber talent will likely require either Jared Butler or Udoka Azubuike and a first-round pick.

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hard to expect a star. A 4 that could give you 20 minutes so O'Neale could play mostly on the wing would be nice. Getting rid of Clarkson and Hughes would be nice. A coach that will make adjustments would be nice. Would hate to see Butler go. No one wants Udoka

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My conclusion is we don't need a big trade but we do need some depth at the C position. We got Oni, Hughes, Pitts (and Dok I guess who is injured) who aren't going to play anyway so we should trade one for a C who could at least give us serviceable minutes defensively if Hassan is unavailable.



No real idea who but a guy like Robin Lopez in Orlando will probably be available at the trade deadline. Alex Len maybe. Theis might be great. Dieng. Birch. Hernangomez from NO, Basically a big body who breathes might be better than Ocho at this point. [/QUOTE]

have an open roster spot. Really two with Oni's non guarantee. Don't necessarily need a trade. Someone that could give you 20 minutes or so at the 4 and maybe play some center? Always liked Lopez

[QUOTE]Here is the way I see it as pointed out by a previous Dunker (sorry can't remember). If you want a starter back who starts, you have to trade Bogey or be willing to move Oneale to the bench.[/QUOTE]

Clarkson goes. Bojan to the bench

[QUOTE]To me, if Clarkson can slowly owrk his 3 point shooting closer to 34-35% that is eFG of around 53% which is good enough. His lob threat passing has been really good the last few games. Ingles has good playmaking against teams that play a traditional big, but tends to disappear against switching defenses. To me that means what Ingles brings to the table on offense is reduced the most when in the playoffs. So right now I lean towards an Ingles trade (his shooting will come back). I would aim for an athletic lengthy player.

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Ingles needs a smaller role. New coach

[QUOTE]Well it's not like Ingles is going to be playing much longer anyway. If he was averaging 12 points a game like last season it would be a lot harder to trade him, but he's only averaging 7.6 ppg this season (& his defense has fallen way off).


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had his best year. He doesn't suck unlike Clarkson

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/01/04/2-studs-1-utah-jazz-pelicans/2/[/url]

[QUOTE]Really, that’s how this Jazz machine is supposed to operate. [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2021/12/03/donovan-mitchell-run-offense-utah-jazz/"]Donovan Mitchell is the engine,[/URL] and last night, he was purring. This was an important contest for Mitchell, as he’d struggled in the team’s previous meeting against the Warriors. Last night, he put any concerns about those struggles being related to his recent lower back injury squarely to rest.

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if only he was the engine

[QUOTE]Ingles did have 6 assists. His passing is key to his overall value, and so that has to be mentioned. Nonetheless, 2 points on 1/4 shooting from the field (including a goose egg on three attempts from deep) doesn’t quite cut it.

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I'll take the 6 assists

[QUOTE] Shams Charania: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz are finalizing trading Miye Oni to the Oklahoma City Thunder,[/URL] sources tell me and @Tony Jones.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania"]Twitter ShamsCharania[/URL]





Adrian Wojnarowski: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Oklahoma City is acquiring Utah’s Miye Oni and a 2028 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Thunder will waive Oni and open up a roster spot[/URL] ahead of the February trade deadline. Utah saves money and opens a roster spot too.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn"]Twitter wojespn[/URL]


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no surprise. Hopefully he doesn't end up helping a Jazz opponent down the line. I imagine under the current climate he will find a new home quickly. Not sure why they had to give up a pick? He's non guaranteed

[QUOTE] Adrian Wojnarowski: A first for the Utah Jazz this season: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Joe Ingles has entered the league’s Covid protocols,[/URL] sources tell ESPN.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn"]Twitter wojespn[/URL]


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really shorthanded now with this and the trade

[QUOTE] JD Shaw: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Thunder have officially acquired guard Miye Oni and a 2028 second-round pick from the Jazz in exchange for cash.[/URL] Gabriel Deck was waived to create room.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/JShawNBA"]Twitter JShawNBA[/URL]

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the cash makes up for the pick? Don't really get this. Could have just cut him. Non guaranteed

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50322234/jazz-trade-away-miye-oni-to-save-some-money-and-get-flexibility-[/url]

[QUOTE]The Thunder aren't sending anyone back in the deal — Utah got "cash considerations" in return — which will give the Jazz two open roster spots. Those could be beneficial for deals leading up to the trade deadline as well as the buyout market. Utah can also choose to convert Trent Forrest's two-way deal into a regular deal, if it so chooses. Forrest has played a small rotation spot this season.

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you'd think if he's not traded that they will have to do this at some point. Wait until the trade deadline and buyouts if possible

[QUOTE]If Utah had waived Oni outright, its tax bill would have been $30.3 million. With the trade, the tax penalty gets reduced to $27.9 million. By trading Oni, the Jazz won't pay anything in taxes for his contract. Utah saved $2.4 million by making the deal. The Thunder essentially agreed to take the cap hit for Utah for a future second rounder.

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now it makes sense

[QUOTE]NBA rules dictate a team can only have two roster spots open for a maximum of two weeks. So another addition has to come befor ethen. That could be converting Forrest's deal, signing a player to a 10-day contract or a full contract, or by making a trade. Regardless, Utah will need to make a move, and make one quick.

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10 days start soon

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50322284/joe-ingles-first-jazz-player-to-enter-covid-protocols-this-season[/url]

[QUOTE]Ingles will join Udoka Azubuike (ankle) on the inactive list, giving the Jazz just 13 players potentially available for Wednesday's game against Denver. If Hassan Whiteside (concussion) and Eric Paschall (personal reasons) can't suit up, the Jazz will need to add someone to the roster.


Teams that have fewer than 13 players available must sign a hardship player, according to league rules.

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looks like a move is coming. No one on the Stars is that exciting

[url]https://kslsports.com/476144/jazz-trade-miye-oni-to-oklahoma-city-thunder/[/url]

[QUOTE]Oni has spent three seasons in [URL="https://kslsports.com/467630/42-the-jazz-future-with-miye-oni/"]Utah[/URL] but had fallen out of the rotation for the Jazz behind one of the deepest backcourts in the NBA.

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he was never in the rotation and Forrest isn't deep

[QUOTE]Oni’s best performance in the NBA came in the Orlando bubble as a rookie when the guard scored 14 points against the San Antonio Spurs to go along with seven rebounds in 30 minutes on the floor.

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and then COTY refused to play him or anyone else as Murray torched them

[url]https://kslsports.com/476138/on-this-day-jazz-forward-adrian-dantleys-28-free-throws-made-ties-nba-record/[/url]

not the best player in franchise history! :roll:

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/01/04/3-trades-utah-jazz-consider/3/[/url]

[QUOTE]Torrey Craig typifies the 3-and-D role, albeit not in 2021-22. His -0.1 DBPM is uninspiring, and his 27.5% accuracy on 2.1 three-point attempts per game is something worse. We’re willing to chalk his underwhelming performance up to his situation. We’re also willing to bet that last season’s marks of 36.8% three-point accuracy and a 0.4 DBPM are more reflective of his actual abilities.

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no thanks

[QUOTE]Nonetheless, the Jazz wouldn’t be acquiring Gordon for his defense.

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you do it because Clarkson sucks

[QUOTE]As for the Rockets, they’d likely look to reroute Clarkson to a contender in the offseason. They’d have little use for his services. However, as a rebuilding club, they’re in a perfect position to take a flier on Azubuike. That’s the draw for them in this deal.

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ideally Hughes is the one to go

[QUOTE]We can see the comments on this article before you make them. “Why are you so desperate to trade Clarkson? You must be a Bulls fan”.

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because he sucks
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Plus, Kyle Anderson is criminally underrated. His numbers are down across the board from 2020-21, because his minutes are down. The Grizzlies appear to be heading in another direction. A look at his per 36 minutes is more instructive: Anderson is averaging 13 points, 8.5 rebounds and 4.0 assists on that measure.


He does a little bit of everything, and should fit snugly into Quin Snyder’s attack. He’s hitting 35.3% of his 3.3 three-point attempts per game this year. That’s not an elite mark, but it’s an improvement on Clarkson’s. It’s also a solid percentage for a player who figures to spend most of his minutes at the 4. More relevantly, his 1.0 DBPM is reflective of a well-rounded, fundamentally sound defensive wing.

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please and thank you

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/4/22865024/the-miye-oni-trade-could-forecast-more-than-just-luxury-tax-savings-for-the-utah-jazz-ryan-smith[/url]

[QUOTE]The Jazz aren’t likely to get the kind of wing defender they need or want without trading away another player like Joe Ingles, Jordan Clarkson or Bojan Bogdanovic, and in order to part ways with one of those players the deal would have to really make sense for the Jazz.

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not hard to imagine upgrading the Forrest minutes without a trade. Getting rid of Clarkson also improves the team ideally with Hughes who is a wasted roster spot

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/understanding-the-oni-trade-roster-options-moving-forward/[/url]

[QUOTE]Weirdly, though, any of those three would count as a two-year vet for tax purposes. That means $2.3M and change of tax on any January 18 signee, which effectively negates the tax benefit of shipping Oni to OKC. But the point here is that the Jazz are required to use that roster spot anyway, and one would think they’d rather pay $2.3 million in tax for a player they might use as opposed to $2.5 milllion for a player who was bolted down on Snyder’s bench.

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even if it's a prospect that has more upside than Oni. Oni is a good energy guy to have at the end of the bench but they ought to be able find another guy like that minumum. It's too bad that Hughes and Clarkson remain instead of him though

[QUOTE]It’s highly likely that an established rotation player will find himself hitting the waiver wire sometime after the trade deadline, but the Jazz haven’t exactly been at the front of the line for buyout market signings. They kept a roster spot open last season so they could woo a veteran during buyout season, and instead their big in-season signing was Ersan Ilyasova, who played just 17 games for them.

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with Covid nothing is likely. Ersan was great. Too bad about COTY

[QUOTE]And again, it would be hard to blame them for rewarding Forrest with a standard NBA deal. The two-way guard has earned that 10th man role right on the edge of the rotation, and in any other year the Jazz would soon be forced to convert him if they wanted to keep using him. The NBA suspended the 50-game limit this year, so there’s no need to convert him, other than just goodwill. Frankly it’s probably smarter to turn over some other stones first, but Forrest earning his way to the regular roster would be a nice story, if not as impactful as the right veteran saying, “Hey, let me come help you win.”

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he should have never been on a two way again to begin with but if they have a roster space after buyouts I'd certainly give it to him and sign a different two way guy

[QUOTE] Shams Charania: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz plan to sign free agent forward Danuel House to a 10-day contract,[/URL] sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania"]Twitter ShamsCharania[/URL]

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could be a good pick up if he can hit the 3 ball again and pick things up quickly

[QUOTE] KC Johnson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Ersan Ilyasova is no longer with Bulls after his 10-day stint featured a protocols stay,[/URL] per Bulls PR.

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/KCJHoop"]Twitter KCJHoop[/URL]

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He could actually take a lot of the minutes at the 4 for the Jazz if not for COTY :rant

[QUOTE] Through Barca, he can explore the opportunity to get back in game rhythm while also leaving a window open for a potential return to the NBA since the deal will be up before NBA playoff rosters are finalized. [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-163006-dante-exum-the-plan-is-to-go-back-to-the-nba-after-my-three-months-in-barcelona.html"]Exum has no reason to deny it. “Yeah, I think that’s the plan,” he firmly responds. “Looking at the injuries Barcelona had and my goal to go back to the NBA, it made sense for me to sign here. I’ve got three months, and hopefully, I can keep growing by getting better defensively and finding a place offensively.”[/URL]

– via [URL="https://basketnews.com/news-163006-dante-exum-the-plan-is-to-go-back-to-the-nba-after-my-three-months-in-barcelona.html"]Giorgos Kyriakidis @ BasketNews[/URL]


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you don't suck anymore? Your not hurt?

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50322724/jazz-reportedly-set-to-sign-danuel-house-jr-to-hardship-contract[/url]

forgot about that. Jazz would have never signed this guy a few years ago

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50323183/udoka-azubuike-reflects-on-surprising-and-nerve-inducing-start-in-jazz-win[/url]

1 board is pretty weak but I didn't really expect to see him this year so it's good he's back in time for the Gleague to start up again in a couple of days

[QUOTE] Andy Larsen: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Danuel House contract is official, Jazz announce[/URL].

– via [URL="https://twitter.com/andyblarsen"]Twitter andyblarsen[/URL]

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thought it already was

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50323700/jazz-add-another-center-as-rudy-gobert-enters-leagues-covid-19-protocols[/url]

[QUOTE]With Pelle and House on the team, the Jazz will have some wiggle room when it comes to having the league-mandatory eight available players. The Jazz now have eight players — Trent Forrest, Eric Paschall, Jared Butler, Elijah Hughes, Udoka Azubuike, Malik Fitts, House and Pelle — not listed on the injury report.

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shit show! :cheers:

[QUOTE] [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/trade-season-has-arrived?justPublished=true"]League sources say that the Jazz did entertain the prospect of trading Ingles in the offseason,[/URL] before Ainge joined them, but ultimately decided it couldn’t stomach the culture hit of sending him away. Ainge, as we all know by now, is far less sentimental than most. He’s capable of trading pretty much anyone.

– via [URL="https://marcstein.substack.com/p/trade-season-has-arrived?justPublished=true"]Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com[/URL]


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hopeful Clarkson will be gone and maybe Hughes too! :rolleyes:

[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/december-rewind-award-smallball-exec/[/url]

[QUOTE]My opinion is that the Jazz are better served upgrading their point of attack defense at the backup guard position. The tricky thing is that involves trading one of the two players who both: a) finished in the top-2 for Sixth Man of the Year, b) are incredibly popular with the fanbase, and c) are core to the team culture. Could the Jazz really trade Joe Ingles or Clarkson? With new basketball executive Danny Ainge at the helm, that suddenly becomes much more possible.

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what's tricky about it? Clarkson sucks. Got to think Ainge if anyone realizes it

[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/01/07/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-move-lakers/4/[/url]

[QUOTE]Even though players like Bojan Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson, and Joe Ingles are valuable pieces to Utah’s offense, they struggle mightily on defense. Routinely they let opponents drive right by them and fail to play help defense. The Utah front office should look into acquiring a wing with more defensive capabilities. Jerami Grant, Thaddeus Young, Pascal Siakam, Eric Gordon, or Terrance Ross – all rumored to be on the trading block – would be upgrades over their current situation.

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addition by subtraction. Clarkson sucks

Not a surprise they lost to the Raptors given who was out, but an illuminating game none the less. Paschal looked solid on offence, Hughes was hitting his 3's and Butler looked in control with the ball in his hands and was getting to the rim without any issues. Still needs to work on his finishing and shooting, but good signs. Udoka had a few good plays, but still needs a lot of work and the lack of another legit big at the 4 hurt on the glass a bit tonight.

[QUOTE=El Kabong;14512822]Not a surprise they lost to the Raptors given who was out, but an illuminating game none the less. Paschal looked solid on offence, Hughes was hitting his 3's and Butler looked in control with the ball in his hands and was getting to the rim without any issues. Still needs to work on his finishing and shooting, but good signs. Udoka had a few good plays, but still needs a lot of work and the lack of another legit big at the 4 hurt on the glass a bit tonight.[/QUOTE]

Butler will be good if he can stay healthy. Just a matter of time. I think he could help them by the end of the year like past rookies under COTY. Hughes had one big game with Stars but is usually underwhelming. I'd be looking to move him with Clarkson. See Paschall as more of an energy guy off the end of the bench but would have no problem with him replacing Clarkson in the rotation. I think Fitts has potential as a 3 and D. Udoka certainly has the physical tools. Needs time and health. Forrest needs a shot. House looks like he's a keeper and another potential Clarkson replacement

Tim MacMahon: I think that it’s a little bit different situation in Salt Lake City with [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVxYDvF-8YY"]Donovan Mitchell just because there is I’m gonna say at least speculation around a league that market size might matter to him[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVxYDvF-8YY"]YouTube[/URL]




Rumblings about New York’s inevitable pursuits of All-Stars, and particular All-Stars who are represented by CAA, were always louder than talk of any Knicks short-term upgrade. Karl-Anthony Towns and Devin Booker enter free agency in 2024. [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952139-will-this-knicks-regime-finally-get-aggressive-at-trade-deadline"]Utah and New Orleans officials know all too well of New York’s looming presence surrounding the futures of Donovan Mitchell and Zion Williamson[/URL].
– via [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952139-will-this-knicks-regime-finally-get-aggressive-at-trade-deadline"]Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report[/URL]

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50324451/a-new-kid-and-new-season-highs-paschall-jazz-bench-relish-opportunity-against-raptors[/url]

[QUOTE]"Due to a lot of different circumstances, he hasn't had an opportunity in a game of this nature," Snyder said. "And it was good to see him kind of rise to that occasion against a really physical, quick, athletic defensive team."

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well he sucks, didn't go to Duke and you wouldn't have played him

Josh Lewenberg: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]VanVleet is the 7th player over the last 25 seasons to go on a personal 15-0 run,[/URL] per @ESPNStatsInfo. The last to do it: his former teammate Kawhi Leonard in 2020.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/JLew1050"]Twitter JLew1050[/URL]

[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50324416/pleased-and-proud-with-8-rotation-players-out-jazz-cant-keep-pace-with-raptors[/url]

[QUOTE]It was a chance to see what players could do in an expanded role. So was anything revealed that might change things in the rotation when the full team gets back together?

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coty :roll:

[url]https://kslsports.com/476391/jazz-youngsters-show-promise-in-loss-to-raptors/[/url]

[QUOTE]Hughes had the best game of any Jazz player, and not just because of his scoring. Most players when given the opportunity can get baskets in the NBA, but it was Hughes’s quick release, rebounding, and playmaking that could make him a rotation player in the NBA.

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it could but hard to imagine

[QUOTE]As long as O’Neale is on the Jazz it might be difficult to find minutes on the floor, but this game was a strong testament to his development in the team’s system and a player who might have a future with the team.

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Hughes at PF? :roll:

[QUOTE]Having played three years at Baylor for a high-level program alongside several other pros, Butler’s decision-making is behind where it should be and didn’t inspire a ton of confidence if he had to get significant minutes at some point this season.

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where should it be? He's a 20 year old 2nd rounder who's played little with the Jazz or Stars

[QUOTE]With the Jazz playing a basic zone defense for most of the game it’s difficult to get a grasp on how his defense looked in the team’s scheme, but Quin Snyder can always use more shooters and the veteran should be able to fill that role.

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Always nice to see COTY try something different. Too bad he won't do it when he's not desperate

[QUOTE]It was only one game, but House Jr. showed exactly what the Jazz need from a deep bench veteran.

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what they need from a rotation player but like Ersan last year I doubt he'll play

[QUOTE]In a game like this so with few experienced players, Forrest needed to abandon his pass first, second, and third mentality and look to help his team by scoring. He was unwilling to do it and it hurt the offense.

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can't shoot

[QUOTE]Over the last two games, the second-year center has a combined seven points and four rebounds in 30 minutes. That’s difficult to do at nearly seven feet tall with elite size and leaping ability.

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only 3 less boards than Whiteside

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/7/22870929/analysis-missing-8-players-jazz-lose-but-put-up-strong-fight-against-raptors[/url]

[QUOTE]This was by far Whiteside’s worst game in a Jazz uniform. He looked disinterested on the defensive end early on and things didn’t get better. He looked like he was just going through the motions. There’s not really a great excuse for this. The Jazz would not have played Whiteside if he was still feeling the effects of his recent concussion. If he was recovered but still not feeling great he would have had to fight hard to play in this game and why would he fight to play in a game where he wasn’t going to try. If he was feeling fine and just not playing well, that’s just an indictment of his attitude. The Jazz would have had a lot more of a chance to win this game if he would have put in more effort.

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that's Whiteside. That's why he's on a minimum deal

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[url]https://kslsports.com/476453/career-highs-lead-pacers-over-gobert-less-jazz/[/url]

[QUOTE]The Jazz defense is designed to funnel players to the middle of the floor and into Gobert whose incredible length makes it extremely difficult to score in the paint.

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it's more than length. Whiteside and Udoka are almost as long as was Favors

[QUOTE]While the Jazz brought in Hassan Whiteside to mirror Gobert’s length when he’s off the floor, his lack of mobility and up and down effort don’t allow him to have the same impact as the three-time defensive player of the year.

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and now it's not just length

[QUOTE]MacMahon then explained the great lengths the Jazz have gone to keep their superstar guard happy.

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yeah and it cost them in the playoffs

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/1/8/22872735/instant-analysis-without-rudy-gobert-jazzs-defense-struggles-mightily-in-loss-to-pacers[/url]

[QUOTE]Center Pelle, with the Jazz on a 10-day hardship deal, gave so much effort on Saturday that it would have felt wrong not to mention it. He had some trouble finishing at the rim, but I think that feels natural for some nerves to be at play there. On the defensive end though he was tough and even when he wasn’t perfect and made mistakes, he didn’t give up.

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I liked him enough that I could see packaging Whiteside with Clarkson and Hughes for the starting 4 they need!

[QUOTE]Domantas Sabonis had a career-high 42 points on Saturday. Good for him, and he’s a great player who is often underrated in my opinion. But from the Jazz’s perspective, you can’t let a guy have a career night on you just because you’re missing someone. Yeah, Gobert is a Hall of Fame-level defender, but the Jazz should be able to put up a little more resistance, which brings me to the worst part of the evening.[/QUOTE]

they should but never have. I know you haven't been on the beat long but this is the same old story. Crappy team without Gobert despite the so called greatness of Mitchell, COTY, etc

[QUOTE]The Hassan Whiteside minutes on Saturday were really, really bad. That’s consecutive games of being disappointed in what Whiteside has brought to the table as he’s started in place of Gobert. I have a few thoughts on this. First, I know that no one, including Whiteside, is ever going to look great when compared with Gobert, who is just so impactful that it’s impossible to match his abilities. I’m not expecting Whiteside to be Gobert. With that in mind, here’s what I think is going on: I think that when Gobert is playing, it’s a lot easier for Whiteside to really try and care. It’s easy because he has the example ahead of him of what he needs to do from one matchup to the next, because he only has to do it in smaller stints and against usually lesser talent as the reserve center, because if he doesn’t put up a big effort when Gobert plays, then he’ll look really bad by comparison. When Gobert is not ahead of him, the opposite is true across the board. We were all warned that this is the Whiteside that could be waiting for the Jazz, and here it is. Whiteside let down Mitchell, Conley and everyone else who was giving a lot of effort. He let guys walk right past him, didn’t fight for position or rebounds and only looked as if he cared when he was dunking the ball. He ended up making Pelle look like the better center. If he strings together too many of these games, I wouldn’t blame the Jazz for looking elsewhere.

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as I've said all year even when he played well he gave little effort. He should be the best player on the floor and isn't like Jeff Green