[QUOTE=Hawker]I'd vote for you.[/QUOTE]
thank you son, and your efforts will not be forgotten when it is time to select my cabinet!
.....but seriously i intend to run for the presidency later during the course of my life
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[QUOTE=Hawker]I'd vote for you.[/QUOTE]
thank you son, and your efforts will not be forgotten when it is time to select my cabinet!
.....but seriously i intend to run for the presidency later during the course of my life
[QUOTE=Denali]thank you son, and your efforts will not be forgotten when it is time to select my cabinet!
.....but seriously i intend to run for the presidency later during the course of my life[/QUOTE]
As long as its in 3 years you got my vote brah.
*just realized it has to be in atleast 4 years.... phail
[QUOTE=Denali]Let's inject some logic into this argument, and by that I mean formulaic logic.
What if students decided it was no longer worth spending their entire 20's with their heads burried in med-school books and spending their entire life savings paying off hundreds of thousands of dollars in med school loans?
What if people simply stopped electing to become doctors? Your statement that it is every citizens right to have healthcare would become a problem. What would you propose, that the government force people to become doctors? Institute a doctor draft?
Life and liberty are rights. You can ensure those independently. Healthcare is dependent on people CHOOSING to become doctors. You cant MAKE people be doctors, and by extension, you cannot call healthcare a right. It is a SERVICE. If you cant understand that logic, you are a long way off from reality.[/QUOTE]
Your argument is illogical and irrelevant. Suggesting the health care infrastructure could somehow not support increased business is ridiculous. Furthermore, there has been an expansion of rights in the United States since its conception beyond life and liberty; many people want to include health care with that now.
[QUOTE=Denali]Let's inject some logic into this argument, and by that I mean formulaic logic.
What if students decided it was no longer worth spending their entire 20's with their heads burried in med-school books and spending their entire life savings paying off hundreds of thousands of dollars in med school loans?
What if people simply stopped electing to become doctors? Your statement that it is every citizens right to have healthcare would become a problem. What would you propose, that the government force people to become doctors? Institute a doctor draft?
Life and liberty are rights. You can ensure those independently. Healthcare is dependent on people CHOOSING to become doctors. You cant MAKE people be doctors, and by extension, you cannot call healthcare a right. It is a SERVICE. If you cant understand that logic, you are a long way off from reality.[/QUOTE]
In today's world... with today's advancements in medicine and medical readability ... [b]everyone[/b] should have no issue getting a standard level of health-care, [b]and[/b] the professionals get their pockets filled all in the process.
The problem is the government's lack of health-care spending and planning structures. We're giving Wall Street 700+ billion dollars so CEOs can still play golf on Tuesday afternoon instead of investing that type of money or even a fraction into the heath-care system, where it would be much better utilized.
Don't come back with the "bailout" saving all the "desk jobs" because that is not where the heart of this bailout deal is about... it's about the Feds buying back worthless stock only to make a huge profit in the years coming up. It's like taking out a personal loan, from yourself!... then paying yourself back interest!!!
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Wake up people...
[QUOTE=Denali]thank you son, and your efforts will not be forgotten when it is time to select my cabinet!
.....but seriously i intend to run for the presidency later during the course of my life[/QUOTE]
What's incredibly sad here, is that you honestly believe this doo-doo. You'll probably sit there and think to yourself, "more fuel to the fire!" by seeing comments such as mine, but you and I both know you'll do nothing more than grow old and look back on all this and say to yourself "holy sh*t... I really was this much of a fu*king e-diot... Legend of Josh was right... I just didn't listen..."
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[QUOTE=blasian] First of all, why is it "sketchy" that Obama's father was a Muslim?[/QUOTE]
In and of itself, it is harmless. Parents do not genetically pass on their religious affiliations. However, for a guy who did develop known associations with radicals throughout his life, to me personally it does raise a red flag that he is born of a man who belongs to the most fervently anti-american faith on the planet. How do you really know this is a guy who America can trust? He came to the Senate for four years, hardly voted, and as soon he was able to muster the popularity to make a Presidential run he jumped for it. This guy reeks of an opportunist. I think he has liberals fooled with all his majestic "change washington" sloganisms. I smell a rat plain and simple.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Your argument is illogical and irrelevant. Suggesting the health care infrastructure could somehow not support increased business is ridiculous. Furthermore, there has been an expansion of rights in the United States since its conception beyond life and liberty; many people want to include health care with that now.[/QUOTE]
let's break this down line by line to see if we can find the substance:
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Your argument is illogical and irrelevant. [/QUOTE]
nope.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Suggesting the health care infrastructure could somehow not support increased business is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Nothing here. You used words like 'infrastructure' to sound informed, but I see nothing that relates to the problem of calling something a right that is directly dependent on someone else's free market choice.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Furthermore, there has been an expansion of rights in the United States since its conception beyond life and liberty; many people want to include health care with that now.[/QUOTE]
Lastly, you reaffirmed your original (and incorrect) position that you in fact do believe healthcare is a right. You even drove the nail home by including "many people" as your peers on the issue. But yet.....you did nothing to address the logical inconsistency of your line of thinking.
I'm sorry douche wallace. You've failed again. Unfortunately for you, reading pie charts all day doesnt make you an intuitive thinker. You are destined to muddle in futility with the other 95% of your ilk, while you each take a side and pretend you know better than the other. YOU F-A.I^L
[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]
The problem is the government's lack of health-care spending and planning structures. [/QUOTE]
Our government may one day decide to provide healthcare to all individuals. But that does not establish healthcare as a right. It simply means the government will have decided to pickup the check at the expense of a select few taxpayers. I *HOPE* you can appreciate the difference.
1) I don't read pie charts
2) Infrastructure = doctors, hospitals, nurses, facilities, ambulances, supplies like medicine, etc. You insinuated there wasn't enough to support increased business brought on by socialized health care. That is ridiculous.
3) I may or may not believe health care is a right. It is a fact many people do, which is why I stated it. It is also a fact our "rights" have grown through time, beyond life and liberty. Perhaps you've heard of the Bill of Rights? It is also a fact that aforementioned people use this as an argument for health care being included in those rights.
4) Finally, wouldn't the right to "life" as you said, include proper health care?
5) DenaliFace you're an invalid who can only result to nonsense and insults.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]1) I don't read pie charts
2) Infrastructure = doctors, hospitals, nurses, facilities, ambulances, supplies like medicine, etc. You insinuated there wasn't enough to support increased business brought on by socialized health care. That is ridiculous.
3) I may or may not believe health care is a right. It is a fact many people do, which is why I stated it. It is also a fact our "rights" have grown through time, beyond life and liberty. Perhaps you've heard of the Bill of Rights? It is also a fact that aforementioned people use this as an argument for health care being included in those rights.
4) Finally, wouldn't the right to "life" as you said, include proper health care?
5) DenaliFace you're an invalid who can only result to nonsense and insults.[/QUOTE]
I created a hypothetical where citizens elected to stop becoming doctors, to support a point that healthcare is not a right. Your response was "they'd never stop being doctors!" Despite the fact that I laid out a pretty clear foundation for the point, you either failed to understand it or intentionally neglected it for lack of a sensible refutation - probably the latter.
Owning guns can logically be considered a right. It cannot conflict logically with another persons will or rights. You can own a gun. Period. If nobody on the market is making one, you can make one yourself. You can own it no matter what. Habeas Corpus is a right. If you are being held, they have to let you see a judge. That doesnt conflict with anyone else's stated rights to keep you no matter what. If you say it is someone's RIGHT to be provided healthcare, then you are also implying that it is someones OBLIGATION to provide it to them. And thats simply not the case.
And I am pro choice. In fact I would have supported your mother wholeheartedly had she elected to abort.
I thought you were saying they couldn't support it. I see your argument was positively irrational and irrelevant. It's so implausible it's barely worth discussing.
If all the gun manufacturers in the world stopped making guns would the government have a gun maker draft so we still had the right to bear arms? Answer me that.
How many years does a person have to be wrong to realize they might want to rethink things a bit?
[QUOTE=Showtime]How many years does a person have to be wrong to realize they might want to rethink things a bit?[/QUOTE]
is the answer congruent to the length of time obama has served in the senate?
Apparently you have no answer?
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Apparently you have no answer?[/QUOTE]
ok, the answer is yes we would have a gun maker draft, so that we could do our civic duty and shoot all gays and muslims, and all the liberals who have dedicated their lives to ensuring they benefit from reverse-discrimination.
hap-E?