Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B][U]Average NBA Height Year By Year from 1985 to 2008[/U]:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]1985-86 = 6

is this scrawny guy saying he could score with LeBron and Kobe LMAO

that's a laugh

[QUOTE=Skywalker]is this scrawny guy saying he could score with LeBron and Kobe LMAO

that's a laugh[/QUOTE]

He could, just not as much as he is saying.

[QUOTE]You need to take into consideration the fact, that these averages were hugely inflated back in the 80's, when a lot of scrub stiffs were playing - Manute Bol's, Muresan's and etc. Nowadays these joke of a players wopuldn't make an NBA team. The tallest player today is Yao Ming, who also appears to be a really good player[/QUOTE]

First of all, Bol and Muresan were only 2 of the 400+ players of the NBA, so even taking them away wouldn't significantly reduce the average height.

Second, Muresan wasn't as bad as you make him to be. Not Yao, but certainly he could easily play if he were at his prime today. After all, he did average 14.5 ppg and 9.6 rpg, while leading the NBA in FG% back in 1996, when the average center quality was higher than today. Hell, people talk about Sun Ming Ming trying to make it to the NBA and Sun, from the videos I've seen, makes Muresan look graceful. Want someone who actually played in the NBA? Pavel Podkolzin was 7'5, played for 2 seasons (2005-2006) and was worse than Muresan/Bol.

Third, Muresan and Bol shared only 2 seasons.

Hey Psileas is that Wilt dunking in that photo?

Mind giving me the link for the picture?

[QUOTE=madmax]You need to take into consideration the fact, that these averages were hugely inflated back in the 80's, when a lot of scrub stiffs were playing - Manute Bol's, Muresan's and etc. Nowadays these joke of a players wopuldn't make an NBA team. The tallest player today is Yao Ming, who also appears to be a really good player[/QUOTE]

[B]Muresan was a 90s player...[/B]

[B]Manute was a scrub Rebounding Wise but Defensive Wise with his Agil Body and Frame, especially Shot Blocking Wise, he is Probably the Greatest Shot Blocker Per Minute Ever[/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html[/url]

[B]3.3 BPG at 18.7 MPG. [/B]


[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html[/url]

[B]Career Leaders and Records for Block Pct[/B]

[B]NBA/ABA Rank Player BLK%

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"]1. Manute Bol 10.17 [/COLOR][/SIZE]
2. Shawn Bradley 7.83
3. Theo Ratliff 7.27
4. Greg Ostertag 6.97
5. Mark Eaton 6.92
6. Alonzo Mourning 6.57
7. Marcus Camby 6.46
8. Adonal Foyle 6.41
9. Dikembe Mutombo 6.28
10. George Johnson 6.26
11. Tree Rollins 6.24
12. Andrei Kirilenko 6.14
13. David Robinson 5.69
14. Hakeem Olajuwon* 5.39
15. Ben Wallace 5.20
16. Harvey Catchings 5.07
17. Jermaine O'Neal 5.05
18. Elmore Smith 5.01
19. Patrick Ewing* 4.75
20. Ervin Johnson 4.73
21. Charles Jones 4.70
22. Shaquille O'Neal 4.69
23. Alton Lister 4.65
24. Tim Duncan 4.64
25. Andrew Lang 4.59
26. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 4.51
27. Wayne Cooper 4.32
28. Benoit Benjamin 4.31
29. Elden Campbell 4.28
30. Bill Walton* 4.24 [/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_per_g_career.html[/url]

[B]Career Leaders and Records for Blocks Per Game

NBA/ABA Rank Player BPG

1. Mark Eaton 3.50 (80s)
[COLOR="darkred"][SIZE="4"]2. Manute Bol 3.34[/SIZE][/COLOR] (80s)
3. Hakeem Olajuwon* 3.09
4. David Robinson 2.99
5. Elmore Smith 2.90
6. Alonzo Mourning 2.81
7. Dikembe Mutombo 2.76
8. Marcus Camby 2.68
9. Theo Ratliff 2.63
10. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2.57
11. Shawn Bradley 2.55
12. George Johnson 2.46
13. Patrick Ewing* 2.45
14. Shaquille O'Neal 2.42
15. Tim Duncan 2.42
16. Artis Gilmore 2.39 [/B]

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[B]The tallest player today is Yao Ming but he can hardly do things on an aging slow Shaq while in the 90s you had Robinson (89-should have been an 87 draft), Hakeem (84 draft) schooled Shaq, Ewing (85 draft) and Zo (92 draft) play great against a PRIME SHAQ :confusedshrug:

Other threee centers that played quite well against Shaq was Divac, Rick Smits and a crippled Sabonis (in the 80s = TOP 5 Center Ever With Ease).

What do Both These 3 Players Share in Common?

They Play like 80s Players, With Great Fundamentals. Coincidence? :rolleyes:[/B]

[B]Scrubb & Stiffs? Actually todays PFs-Cs are Scrubs and Stiffs compared to Barkley-Worthy-McHale (in the Post any one is scrub compared to him)-Sampson-Larry Nance-Malone-Tarpley-Perkins(fundamentals my friends!)-Coleman-Kemp-Webber

In the SF position its even more humilating while the 80s was the Best Time Ever for the SF position:: Bird-Doctor-Cedric Maxwell-Alex English-Nique-Chambers-Adrian Dantley-Bernard King-Mark Aguirre-Vandeweghe-Terry Cummings-Mullin-Pippen-McDaniel etc

All These Players had Superior Fundamentals, Skills, B-Ball IQ, Passing Game and Shooting than 95% of the SFs of today

Strangley enough the Second Best SF in the league resembles the Fundamentals of the 80s PLayers: Paul Pierece

Strangley enough the Best SF of the league has the Passing Game and can Rebound similar to Magic: Lebron..

..The rest can jump nice, dunk cool, look flashy and thats about it.[/B]

:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Muresan was a 90s player...[/B]

[B]Manute was a scrub Rebounding Wise but Defensive Wise with his Agil Body and Frame, especially Shot Blocking Wise, he is Probably the Greatest Shot Blocker Per Minute Ever[/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html[/url]

[B]3.3 BPG at 18.7 MPG. [/B]


[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html[/url]

[B]Career Leaders and Records for Block Pct[/B]

[B]NBA/ABA Rank Player BLK%

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"]1. Manute Bol 10.17 [/COLOR][/SIZE]
2. Shawn Bradley 7.83
3. Theo Ratliff 7.27
4. Greg Ostertag 6.97
5. Mark Eaton 6.92
6. Alonzo Mourning 6.57
7. Marcus Camby 6.46
8. Adonal Foyle 6.41
9. Dikembe Mutombo 6.28
10. George Johnson 6.26
11. Tree Rollins 6.24
12. Andrei Kirilenko 6.14
13. David Robinson 5.69
14. Hakeem Olajuwon* 5.39
15. Ben Wallace 5.20
16. Harvey Catchings 5.07
17. Jermaine O'Neal 5.05
18. Elmore Smith 5.01
19. Patrick Ewing* 4.75
20. Ervin Johnson 4.73
21. Charles Jones 4.70
22. Shaquille O'Neal 4.69
23. Alton Lister 4.65
24. Tim Duncan 4.64
25. Andrew Lang 4.59
26. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 4.51
27. Wayne Cooper 4.32
28. Benoit Benjamin 4.31
29. Elden Campbell 4.28
30. Bill Walton* 4.24 [/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_per_g_career.html[/url]

[B]Career Leaders and Records for Blocks Per Game

NBA/ABA Rank Player BPG

1. Mark Eaton 3.50 (80s)
[COLOR="darkred"][SIZE="4"]2. Manute Bol 3.34[/SIZE][/COLOR] (80s)
3. Hakeem Olajuwon* 3.09
4. David Robinson 2.99
5. Elmore Smith 2.90
6. Alonzo Mourning 2.81
7. Dikembe Mutombo 2.76
8. Marcus Camby 2.68
9. Theo Ratliff 2.63
10. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2.57
11. Shawn Bradley 2.55
12. George Johnson 2.46
13. Patrick Ewing* 2.45
14. Shaquille O'Neal 2.42
15. Tim Duncan 2.42
16. Artis Gilmore 2.39 [/B]

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[B]The tallest player today is Yao Ming but he can hardly do things on an agin Shaq while in the 90s you had Robinson (89-should have been an 87 draft), Hakeem (84 draft) schooled Shaq, Ewing (85 draft) and Zo (92 draft) play great against a PRIME SHAQ :confusedshrug: [/B]

[B]Scrubb & Stiffs? Actually todays PFs-Cs are Scrubs and Stiffs compared to Barkley-Worthy-McHale (in the Post any one is scrub compared to him)-Sampson-Larry Nance-Malone-Tarpley-Perkins(fundamentals my friends!)-Coleman-Kemp-Webber

In the SF position its even more humilating while the 80s was the Best Time Ever for the SF position:: Bird-Doctor-Cedric Maxwell-Alex English-Nique-Chambers-Adrian Dantley-Bernard King-Mark Aguirre-Vandeweghe-Terry Cummings-Mullin-Pippen-McDaniel etc

All These Players had Superior Fundamentals, Passing Game and Shooting than 98% of the SFs of today

Strangley enough the Second Best SF in the league resembles the Fundamentals of the 80s PLayers: Paul Pierece

Strangley enough the Best SF of the league has the Passing Game and can Rebound similar to Magic: Lebron..

..The rest can jump nice, dunk cool and thats about it.[/B]

:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Wait a second...

Barkley is not in either one of those lists. Are you saying he is no longer the greatest?

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Muresan was a 90s player...[/B]

[B]Manute was a scrub Rebounding Wise but Defensive Wise with his Agil Body and Frame, especially Shot Blocking Wise, he is Probably the Greatest Shot Blocker Per Minute Ever[/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html[/url]

[B]3.3 BPG at 18.7 MPG. [/B]


[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html[/url]

[B]Career Leaders and Records for Block Pct[/B]

[B]NBA/ABA Rank Player BLK%

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"]1. Manute Bol 10.17 [/COLOR][/SIZE]
2. Shawn Bradley 7.83
3. Theo Ratliff 7.27
4. Greg Ostertag 6.97
5. Mark Eaton 6.92
6. Alonzo Mourning 6.57
7. Marcus Camby 6.46
8. Adonal Foyle 6.41
9. Dikembe Mutombo 6.28
10. George Johnson 6.26
11. Tree Rollins 6.24
12. Andrei Kirilenko 6.14
13. David Robinson 5.69
14. Hakeem Olajuwon* 5.39
15. Ben Wallace 5.20
16. Harvey Catchings 5.07
17. Jermaine O'Neal 5.05
18. Elmore Smith 5.01
19. Patrick Ewing* 4.75
20. Ervin Johnson 4.73
21. Charles Jones 4.70
22. Shaquille O'Neal 4.69
23. Alton Lister 4.65
24. Tim Duncan 4.64
25. Andrew Lang 4.59
26. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 4.51
27. Wayne Cooper 4.32
28. Benoit Benjamin 4.31
29. Elden Campbell 4.28
30. Bill Walton* 4.24 [/B]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_per_g_career.html[/url]

[B]Career Leaders and Records for Blocks Per Game

NBA/ABA Rank Player BPG

1. Mark Eaton 3.50 (80s)
[COLOR="darkred"][SIZE="4"]2. Manute Bol 3.34[/SIZE][/COLOR] (80s)
3. Hakeem Olajuwon* 3.09
4. David Robinson 2.99
5. Elmore Smith 2.90
6. Alonzo Mourning 2.81
7. Dikembe Mutombo 2.76
8. Marcus Camby 2.68
9. Theo Ratliff 2.63
10. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2.57
11. Shawn Bradley 2.55
12. George Johnson 2.46
13. Patrick Ewing* 2.45
14. Shaquille O'Neal 2.42
15. Tim Duncan 2.42
16. Artis Gilmore 2.39 [/B]

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[B]The tallest player today is Yao Ming but he can hardly do things on an agin Shaq while in the 90s you had Robinson (89-should have been an 87 draft), Hakeem (84 draft) schooled Shaq, Ewing (85 draft) and Zo (92 draft) play great against a PRIME SHAQ :confusedshrug: Other two centers that played well agains Shaq was Divac and Sabonis: Both Players with Extrame Fundamentals 80s Style Players [/B]

[B]Scrubb & Stiffs? Actually todays PFs-Cs are Scrubs and Stiffs compared to Barkley-Worthy-McHale (in the Post any one is scrub compared to him)-Sampson-Larry Nance-Malone-Tarpley-Perkins(fundamentals my friends!)-Coleman-Kemp-Webber

In the SF position its even more humilating while the 80s was the Best Time Ever for the SF position:: Bird-Doctor-Cedric Maxwell-Alex English-Nique-Chambers-Adrian Dantley-Bernard King-Mark Aguirre-Vandeweghe-Terry Cummings-Mullin-Pippen-McDaniel etc

All These Players had Superior Fundamentals, Passing Game and Shooting than 98% of the SFs of today

Strangley enough the Second Best SF in the league resembles the Fundamentals of the 80s PLayers: Paul Pierece

Strangley enough the Best SF of the league has the Passing Game and can Rebound similar to Magic: Lebron..

..The rest can jump nice, dunk cool and thats about it.[/B]

:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

No they really didn't.

I provided stats showing that players shoot more jumpshots then players of the past.

[QUOTE=plowking]No they really didn't.

I provided stats showing that players shoot more jumpshots then players of the past.[/QUOTE]

[B]They have an easier time going past their man and not getting fouled (Real Fouls!) like what the 80s or 90s player suffered and 90% of the players today away from the Guard Positions can`t develop a decent passing game like Lebron and Pierce? Pfff no excuse [/B]

:oldlol: :violin:

[QUOTE]Hey Psileas is that Wilt dunking in that photo?

Mind giving me the link for the picture?[/QUOTE]

It's Wilt.

The link is: [url]http://wiltfan.tripod.com/pictures.htm[/url] (open the photo "Phili 2")

[QUOTE=Psileas]It's Wilt.

The link is: [url]http://wiltfan.tripod.com/pictures.htm[/url] (open the photo "Phili 2")[/QUOTE]

[B]Great Pic and Some Idiots of Today Say Wilt was an unathletic Scrub? :rolleyes:

Just Imagine Wilt with the 90s and 2000s Weight Lifting Programs (which by the way strenghens your overal all strength but not [U]your natural strength [/U]without excersize), Diets etc of today.

Wilt today would be like a 7`2 315 lbs maniac with arm strength like Karl Malone, great winspan and stamina-endourance like Dennis Rodman to add to his natural: leaping ability, body strength, arm strength etc.

Wilts winspan is insane even for a 7`2 er by the way

[url]http://wiltfan.tripod.com/pictures.htm[/url]

Pic 8

Wilts pathetic Leaping Ability:

Look at the Track Pics and See For Yourself (especially Pic 1 )

[/B]

Well, I agree, but let's not turn this topic into a Wilt one.

[QUOTE=madmax]You need to take into consideration the fact, that these averages were hugely inflated back in the 80's, when [B]a lot of scrub stiffs were playing - Manute Bol's[/B], Muresan's and etc. Nowadays these joke of a players wopuldn't make an NBA team. The tallest player today is Yao Ming, who also appears to be a really good player[/QUOTE]

Hey, watch your mouth :D

I don't think Gervin could do that at all on call. Or to say it'd be "easy" ...

Different game now. Less coked out players. More defense (I'd have loved to see him say this in the 90's) . . . more defensive strategy with the whole psuedo zone defense . . . athleticism is widely spread through out the league. No beating players off pure athleticism at all times.

The ICE MAN needs to be put on ICE with this comment. To say it so flippant and nonchalant and demeaning kind of offends me. Got that old man in the barbershop thing going on right now.

"I walked up hill to school both ways, thats how rough and tough I had it."

Me: "Not possible, old man."

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