Larry Bird discussion

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]The Game was faster paced in general do to superior Ball Handling and Passing Game on Forwards althoug in the East Coast it was a bit different more close to the late 90s Games and actual Game:There was a tendacy (especially in the West) to choose Faster and Quicker SFs and PFs.

For example the 6`11-7`1 Centers that adapted to the Powerforward spot like of those in the last 10 years where less common (the McHales, Kevin Willis, Roy Tarpley`s) and where called CFs not Powerforwards. Before we had the Barkley, Worthy, Malone, Larry Nance, Ralph Sampson type of Powerforwarrds that Where [U]Faster and More Potent[/U], that could [U]DRIVE TO THE BASKET at any MOMENT like a Train[/U] and [U]Play at a Fast Paced Alll Day Long[/U].

Today`s PFs are Slower more McHale like if you want to say [U]but CAN`T PLAY WORTH SHI*T IN THE POST COMPARED to :rolleyes: [/U] that of McHale.

What we have today is Hard Working Bad Centers at Average and next to them FC`s that back in the 80s Game would be Centers...This has made the league slower.

Players back then where also Faster, Better Ball Handlers, Sleeky, Had Superior Foot Work and Superior Ball Movemtn Notion for Fast Breaks etc.[/B]

[B]Here is your Soft 80s League:

[U]Normal 80s Fouls[/U][/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtjs0FqxoM&NR=1[/url][/QUOTE]

You are right, this era sucks at everything. The previous era is better at everything and this era isn't close.












:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=plowking]You are right, this era sucks at everything. The previous era is better at everything and this era isn't close.


:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

[B]Don`t get mad at me :rolleyes: :confusedshrug: this era has gotten bulkier, stronger physically [U]not because the players are "naturally stronger"[/U] themselves but do to vitamins and superior weight lifting programs there is (as you can see how many 80s players that played till 1998 in those late 90s and 200s where more fitting looking or muscule toned players , for example Karl Malone ) but in things like: Fundamentals, B-Ball IQ, Passing Game, Offensive Notion on Fast Breaks, Ball Movement, Shot Selection etc it has gotten Scaredly Worst.

This decline began not in the 2000s (your era) my friend but the Mid 90s just as ....the watering down of the league and actuall rule changes that easened perimter player`s job to penetrate and ofcourse softness of the game began around 92-93, the Early 90s.

The game`s level has gained physically at average (weight not height) but has declined in Fundamentals-Skills etc, Overal Competition of Hight Quality (Just American`s tha had High Fundamentals Playing The Sport AND VERY FEW MAKING IT TO THE NBA) and gotten Soft an Easier in the past 15 years.

Its not your fault or mine its visible everywhere and it is Stern that has fuc*****ked up the NBA no the Fans in the Us Or Worldwide[/B]:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]So how come there are more free throws being taken in the 80's the now Sir Charles. I thought todays game is soft and full of thugs.[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of the increase in FT is related to the on ball touch fouls that became so prominent in the last four or five years. Teams are getting buried in bonus situations because refs are making tick tack calls on the ball, and probably even more so in terms of percentage versus years ago off the ball. Especially early in the game when they're trying to set a standard for the game. And every year it's at it's worst at the start of the season, then tapers off.
Anyway, there's some interesting stuff in this thread if you can sift through all the crap. And while I disagree to an extent with Miles and Plowking, you've both made some good cases.

That's a great post from RonySeikley too.

It took a very long time till someone posted at last videos of Bird's dominance in individual playoff games.
A question: Do you plan to expand this project for more series?

[QUOTE=Psileas]It took a very long time till someone posted at last videos of Bird's dominance in individual playoff games.
A question: Do you plan to expand this project for more series?[/QUOTE]

:applause: :rockon: :cheers:

[B]Celtics vs Lakers 1986-87 Season:

Bird: 37 Points (13-35), 10 Assits and 5 Rebounds
Jordan: 48 Points (17-33), 5 Rebounds, 2 Steals[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=LyABFY_LcEI[/url]

:applause:

[B]Bird`s Post Game and Passing Game is Unrepeatable from the SF Spot[/B]

can u please post 100 more different games in this thread please

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[B]MRS: Michael, I'm now giving you the opportunity to create the Dream Team of Michael Jordan, of all players of basketball. You're on the team, and you can name four other guys at different positions. That doesn't mean there aren't 20 other great guys for those positions, but you can explain your picks.

Power forward: There's James Worthy, whom I love, and he is a North Carolina guy. Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, whom I adore and is a good friend, and Charles Oakley. [COLOR=DarkGreen][U]But in terms again of versatility, it has to be Larry Bird. The things he could provide to you all around: his demeanor, his work ethic and his versatility once again[/U]. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=DarkGreen]

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=DarkGreen] The idea here is I would build a versatile, multitalented team able to do so many different things. [I]When the defense comes at you, they have to guard a lot of different areas[/I], and that makes Larry Bird the choice for me[/COLOR].[/B]

MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. Give it up athletic talents such as Charles Barkley and Karl Malone could have dominated in today's game, but Larry Bird just isn't athletic enough. His fundamentals however would make him a very good player in today's game, just not elite.

[QUOTE=Psileas]It took a very long time till someone posted at last videos of Bird's dominance in individual playoff games.
A question: Do you plan to expand this project for more series?[/QUOTE]

Definitely. I would like to do one on Magic Johnson in the 87 Finals sometime soon. I am thinking about Isiah Thomas in 1990 Finals against Portland, but I have to re-watch the series to make sure. I remember he had a pretty good series.

I want to do a spotlight on Hakeem Olajuwon but I hadn't decided on which series yet. Maybe the 95 WCF against San Antonio. Or maybe the 94 Finals against New York. A series that captures the essence of his game.

Maybe Shaq in 2000 Finals? Or 2001? The only problem is he didn't really play anybody in those series... but he was so dominant I may do it anyway. Now that I think about it...he deserves it.

Tim Duncan deserves one too.

I'm really flying by the seat of my pants, though.

[quote=Godfather]MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. Give it up athletic talents such as Charles Barkley and Karl Malone could have dominated in today's game, but Larry Bird just isn't athletic enough. His fundamentals however would make him a very good player in today's game, just not elite.[/quote]

[B]1979-1986 is as Athletic as most 6`9 1/2 players today except he can Shoot Better than Any Player Today, Pass Better than Any SF Today, Rebound Better than any SF Today, See Better than Any Player Ever, Think Better than Any Player Ever, Hustle Better than Every Player Today, Be Clutch Better etc etc

Think of:

Gasol with the Offensive Talents of Dirk and the Passing Ability of Lebron and the Clutch Game of Miller and Jordan. Along with that bring the The Highest B-Ball IQ and Court Awareness Ever in NBA History and With 110% FUNDAMENTALS and you got Bird.

[U]Today`s Slower Paced Game with Lack of Fundamentals [/U](contraty to the Superior More Agil, Potent, Ball Handling and Fast Paced Team Oriented Game of the 80s: especially W.Coast) [SIZE=3]would be Larry`s Playground [/SIZE]:pimp: :rolleyes: :pimp:

Bird was seen as an unethletic Hick All his Life and that was exactly what he wanted people to think. He thrived on that actually

[U]Two Unathletic [/U]and [U]Slow Players [/U]that[I][U] Guarded [/U][/I]Bird:

[COLOR=Orange]6`9 Unathletic James Worthy: "Bird is the Hardest Forward I Ever Had to Guard"[/COLOR]

[COLOR=DarkRed]6`6 Unathletic Dr. J: "If you Believed that Hick from French Lick Apperance, You Where Going to Get Beaten[/COLOR]"

:sleeping :roll:[/B]

These are the series I was thinking about, as well, as well as Kareem's 1985. Jordan's best ones, of course, though there may have been a couple of people who have done so, already (Joleroke (sp?), maybe).

Oh, and take your time, obviously. Few manage to watch all your videos at that rate, anyway.

Unathletic...Dr. J.....?

**** you are an idiot

[QUOTE=Psileas]Oh, and take your time, obviously. Few manage to watch all your videos at that rate, anyway.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I try to slow things down from time to time but then another idea or a series will come to mind and I end up posting it anyway. Drives my wife nuts. She said I should get paid for it. :oldlol: