Do any of you want religion/God to be true?

[QUOTE=Nowitness]What I'm gathering you're saying is that we must look at the Bible in context to the time it was written/practiced. Isn't one of the very few things religion can apparently claim still to do is stop moral relativism? If so any argument saying religious morality can change based on the times is a negative against religion and more evidence as to why a secular society goes forward, not backwards like a Christian/Muslim one.[/QUOTE]
I guess it depends on how you look at it. I can say that we havnt gone forward. If anything, were getting worse. Rampant premarital sex, a me first attitude, disrespectful kids, illegitimate kids, the family structure is broken.

Our societies morals are terrible.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]I guess it depends on how you look at it. I can say that we havnt gone forward. If anything, were getting worse. Rampant premarital sex, a me first attitude, disrespectful kids, illegitimate kids, the family structure is broken.

Our societies morals are terrible.[/QUOTE]

Compare the average lifespan of 1900 vs today, then retract your statement. What good are "wholesome family values" if you're dead by 50?

A me-first attitude vs slavery? Which is the more detrimental of the two?

[QUOTE=97 bulls]I guess it depends on how you look at it. I can say that we havnt gone forward. If anything, were getting worse. Rampant premarital sex, a me first attitude, disrespectful kids, illegitimate kids, the family structure is broken.

Our societies morals are terrible.[/QUOTE]
yeah because premarital sex is just like super immoral :facepalm

[QUOTE=97 bulls]I guess it depends on how you look at it. I can say that we havnt gone forward. If anything, were getting worse. Rampant premarital sex, a me first attitude, disrespectful kids, illegitimate kids, the family structure is broken.

Our societies morals are terrible.[/QUOTE]

I will never take any claim about sex seriously. I agree on the me first, but premarital sex? A total human concept. This is why I raised the question, who wants to worship someone who cares about who you have sex with.

I mean hey, if religion allowed contraception you'd see the numbers go down.

As for disrespectful kids, parents should earn respect. Most are bad parents who don't deserve respect. But I would still not respect religious parents who force their faith onto their kids.

The main point was science. You name me an Islamic country that is advanced in any way. I can name many secularist countries.

It would be nice to have a place that's like Heaven when I die where I can be reunited with my loved ones. I don't want there to be nothing. I typically don't believe there's a God, but I'm agnostic. I'm in the middle on this. There's no evidence that there is, and no evidence that there isn't. But I don't use the logic "I don't know, therefore God." I'd rather have facts and science.

I'm a good person. I'm not perfect, but I do a lot of good things, even if they are small, and I don't hurt people. I'd rather not worship a judgmental God. I would feel like a slave to a higher being if everything is predetermined and I'm being judged for every sin I commit. I have control of my own life, and I choose, and was raised, to be a generally good moral person.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]I guess it depends on how you look at it. I can say that we havnt gone forward. If anything, were getting worse. Rampant premarital sex, a me first attitude, [B]disrespectful kids[/B], illegitimate kids, the family structure is broken.

Our societies morals are terrible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Deuteronomy 21:18-21

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’[B] Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones.[/B] So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Leviticus 20:9

[B]For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death[/B]; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Matthew 15:4

For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, [B]‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.[/B]’[/QUOTE]

So is this the way we should handle it? :hammerhead: :facepalm

[QUOTE=Nowitness]I will never take any claim about sex seriously. I agree on the me first, but premarital sex? A total human concept. This is why I raised the question, who wants to worship someone who cares about who you have sex with.

I mean hey, if religion allowed contraception you'd see the numbers go down.

As for disrespectful kids, parents should earn respect. Most are bad parents who don't deserve respect. But I would still not respect religious parents who force their faith onto their kids.

The main point was science. You name me an Islamic country that is advanced in any way. I can name many secularist countries.[/QUOTE]
You're looking at it from a really simplistic view. Its not the premarital sex thats so much a problem as it is the outcome. Kids growing up without their mothrr and father is hurting our country. You're big on science right? Do some research on it.

As far as a parent having to earn their child's respect..... considering that the child's being taken care of, how much more can a parent do? And its this kind of mindset thats eating at the fabric of our society.

Im not arguing whose more technologically advanced. But again theres a drawback. Our kids are fat butterballs that hem and haw when they have to walk across the street to buy a pack of gum. Kids today see going outside to play as punishment for goodness sake. Theyd rather stay in and be on facebook and play video games.

[QUOTE=Brokenbeat]So is this the way we should handle it? :hammerhead: :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Those are extreme cases I would say. The bible also says spare the rod spoil the child. So thats a sign that not all kids back in that day had to die for not doing what their parents told them.

[QUOTE=97 bulls][B]Those are extreme cases I would say.[/B] The bible also says spare the rod spoil the child. So thats a sign that not all kids back in that day had to die for not doing what their parents told them.[/QUOTE]

Ya think?! Glad some of them were spared, lol. :roll: