Stock Market is f*cked

[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous;14985753]This thread will age like milk. Look at the forest not the trees. A global industrial shift is being actively cultivated as we speak. If you've any kind of savy to what's been going on you'd know instability is expected, as step one is literally to be actively rocking the boat - on purpose. It's a shakedown of industrial framework. Trump actively seeks for methods to heavily penalize industries that jump or operate overseas and heavily incentivizes ones that will commit to operating within the US border. Chaos today - maybe, sure, but... prosperity tomorrow? Absolutely. That's the plan at least, get it?

And unlike traditional bureaucratic strategies bogged down by endless back and forths and tepid steps in the right direction Trump moves fast and makes aggressive moves, kinda freaks a lot of people out especially the ones in government used to working so damn slow. The way he's moving the waiting period for things to stabilize doesn't have to be 10 years out. He's been quite clear with all his rhetoric that he intends for nothing less than rapid progress to the tune of by mid term he wants to be reporting back W's for everyone especially his critics. Critics you know his ego is big right? Well, that ego wouldn't accept it any other way than for a result by mid-term.

The democrats idea of "more jobs" has always been bloating the shit out of the government or adding government contracts. This is stupid and is and always has been unsustainable, because these government people are all paid off of taxing the crap out of the working class many of which have been struggling to make ends meet in the private sector lest they jump from private to government themselves but this is an ultimately unsustainable economy. Everyone can't work in the government or what are we even governing anymore? If industry and private sector jobs keeps bleeding to fund the government then the money will run out. Look at Greece FFS.

Trumps plan is brazen - as far as the tariffing goes - it's much more aggressive than I've seen before (usually it's just cutting red tape and incentives etc) but that's exactly what the American people voted for when they voted for Trump. Something brazen to not just lean towards a course correction, but rather to leap far ahead into a course correction because many felt we went so far off the rails. The idea is so vastly superior to any crap I've ever heard from any Democrat's economic plan ever. If you think I'm wrong - go ahead and list Kamala's plan? Biden's? What was Obama's economic plan?

"we've got to bolster the middle class!" *Kamala's voice*... - the **** does that even mean. GET THE INDUSTRIES BACK HERE. This big picture strategy is bold, a bit risky, but will likely end up a really good thing if you're in the US (and willing to work the private sector). If you are from another country that greatly benefited from unfair US trade practices in the past, or worked a lazy US government job, yeah, you'll have to work harder now and might actually have to try to compete for a living for a change. Terrible I know.[/QUOTE]

well said. This is what the country needs

[QUOTE=rawimpact;14985769]well said. This is what the country needs[/QUOTE]

:roll:


If Trump f@#ked your wife you'd say "well done, that is exactly what she needed!"

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14985783]:roll:


If Trump f@#ked your wife you'd say "well done, that is exactly what she needed!"[/QUOTE]

You alright? You seem to be acting like a child lately.

[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous;14985753]This thread will age like milk. Look at the forest not the trees. A global industrial shift is being actively cultivated as we speak. If you've any kind of savy to what's been going on you'd know instability is expected, as step one is literally to be actively rocking the boat - on purpose. It's a shakedown of industrial framework. Trump actively seeks for methods to heavily penalize industries that jump or operate overseas and heavily incentivizes ones that will commit to operating within the US border. Chaos today - maybe, sure, but... prosperity tomorrow? Absolutely. That's the plan at least, get it?

And unlike traditional bureaucratic strategies bogged down by endless back and forths and tepid steps in the right direction Trump moves fast and makes aggressive moves, kinda freaks a lot of people out especially the ones in government used to working so damn slow. The way he's moving the waiting period for things to stabilize doesn't have to be 10 years out. He's been quite clear with all his rhetoric that he intends for nothing less than rapid progress to the tune of by mid term he wants to be reporting back W's for everyone especially his critics. Critics you know his ego is big right? Well, that ego wouldn't accept it any other way than for a result by mid-term.

The democrats idea of "more jobs" has always been bloating the shit out of the government or adding government contracts. This is stupid and is and always has been unsustainable, because these government people are all paid off of taxing the crap out of the working class many of which have been struggling to make ends meet in the private sector lest they jump from private to government themselves but this is an ultimately unsustainable economy. Everyone can't work in the government or what are we even governing anymore? If industry and private sector jobs keeps bleeding to fund the government then the money will run out. Look at Greece FFS.

Trumps plan is brazen - as far as the tariffing goes - it's much more aggressive than I've seen before (usually it's just cutting red tape and incentives etc) but that's exactly what the American people voted for when they voted for Trump. Something brazen to not just lean towards a course correction, but rather to leap far ahead into a course correction because many felt we went so far off the rails. The idea is so vastly superior to any crap I've ever heard from any Democrat's economic plan ever. If you think I'm wrong - go ahead and list Kamala's plan? Biden's? What was Obama's economic plan?

"we've got to bolster the middle class!" *Kamala's voice*... - the **** does that even mean. GET THE INDUSTRIES BACK HERE. This big picture strategy is bold, a bit risky, but will likely end up a really good thing if you're in the US (and willing to work the private sector). If you are from another country that greatly benefited from unfair US trade practices in the past, or worked a lazy US government job, yeah, you'll have to work harder now and might actually have to try to compete for a living for a change. Terrible I know.[/QUOTE]

interesting take. :applause:

but how long will the shift back home take? will companies just rather take their chances and wait out trump's term [tariffs] to end? by the time these companies realize that trump isn't bluffing (if he indeed isn't) they may just ride it out if the inflation backlash here is significant enough to predict an incoming 2028 democratic administration. or what are the chances that a traditional republican 2028 administration would decide to continue something so drastic?

also, the public won't see it this way even if it were presented to them in a reasonable manner. they voted the democrats OUT because they wanted more $in their pockets. again, you mention the trump ego - how much backlash will he tolerate before he recinds?

Why would anyone take the word over Trump (who has bankrupted 6 companies) over every economist out there?

Items tariffed -----> retailers increase prices -----> consumers can't afford as much ------> production decreases -----> slower more stagnate economy

There is no "getting over" that. All the time in world doesn't alleviate it. It creates a worse economy where we are all just paying for pricey tariffs.

[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous;14985753]This thread will age like milk. Look at the forest not the trees. A global industrial shift is being actively cultivated as we speak. If you've any kind of savy to what's been going on you'd know instability is expected, as step one is literally to be actively rocking the boat - on purpose. It's a shakedown of industrial framework. Trump actively seeks for methods to heavily penalize industries that jump or operate overseas and heavily incentivizes ones that will commit to operating within the US border. Chaos today - maybe, sure, but... prosperity tomorrow? Absolutely. That's the plan at least, get it?

And unlike traditional bureaucratic strategies bogged down by endless back and forths and tepid steps in the right direction Trump moves fast and makes aggressive moves, kinda freaks a lot of people out especially the ones in government used to working so damn slow. The way he's moving the waiting period for things to stabilize doesn't have to be 10 years out. He's been quite clear with all his rhetoric that he intends for nothing less than rapid progress to the tune of by mid term he wants to be reporting back W's for everyone especially his critics. Critics you know his ego is big right? Well, that ego wouldn't accept it any other way than for a result by mid-term.

The democrats idea of "more jobs" has always been bloating the shit out of the government or adding government contracts. This is stupid and is and always has been unsustainable, because these government people are all paid off of taxing the crap out of the working class many of which have been struggling to make ends meet in the private sector lest they jump from private to government themselves but this is an ultimately unsustainable economy. Everyone can't work in the government or what are we even governing anymore? If industry and private sector jobs keeps bleeding to fund the government then the money will run out. Look at Greece FFS.

Trumps plan is brazen - as far as the tariffing goes - it's much more aggressive than I've seen before (usually it's just cutting red tape and incentives etc) but that's exactly what the American people voted for when they voted for Trump. Something brazen to not just lean towards a course correction, but rather to leap far ahead into a course correction because many felt we went so far off the rails. The idea is so vastly superior to any crap I've ever heard from any Democrat's economic plan ever. If you think I'm wrong - go ahead and list Kamala's plan? Biden's? What was Obama's economic plan?

"we've got to bolster the middle class!" *Kamala's voice*... - the **** does that even mean. GET THE INDUSTRIES BACK HERE. This big picture strategy is bold, a bit risky, but will likely end up a really good thing if you're in the US (and willing to work the private sector). If you are from another country that greatly benefited from unfair US trade practices in the past, or worked a lazy US government job, yeah, you'll have to work harder now and might actually have to try to compete for a living for a change. Terrible I know.[/QUOTE]

how will this country prosper when we don't have the infrastructure required to support our own needs. you're economical theory works...in a vacuum, unfortunately we live in the real world where there is a net result to consider - something trump can't be bothered to care for because he's a massive idiot, like yourself. the displacement of jobs and industry overseas did not happen in 1 month, 1 year or even 4 years. it happened over the course of decades of conservative leadership. do you think the fix will happen in 2 or 4 years? abso-****ing-lutely not. do you know how difficult it is to set up infrastructure in the US when you've become dependant on a primarily overseas supply chain? and cutting red tape is great and all...for permits and inspections, again, we don't live in a vacuum, construction does not just happen overnight. the tsmc factory in arizona did not just pop up overnight. you have absolutely no idea how time intensive it is to get the process of building started. you gotta consult engineering firms to test the soils, a different firm to ensure the architect's drawings are practical, mechanical engineers to ensure the building is cooled and heated appropiately based on the use case (data centers can take over a year on this phase alone between the electrical and mechanical since cooling those buildings requires MASSIVE amounts of energy and mechanical equipment)....then you consult a select amount of subcontractors for the different trades, request bids and negotitate the estimating process. THEN, you begin ordering euqipment and materials and your timeline almost inevitably shifts forward because they're telling you the transformers from germany are backordered 8 months out and the A/C units are also 1 year out. do you see where i'm going with this?

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14985758]Almost every economist on the planet agrees that free and open trading benefits the economy of all involved the most. Tariffs are just an indirect form of taxing the population. And it has become clear that Trump prefers this over taxing the wealthy because he has far less control over our actual tax dollars. When he collects it all ion the form of a tariff he can do what he wants with that money.

In order to believe in this, you have to buy into trickle down, and now that the wealthy are richer than they have ever been it is pretty apparent that trickle down doesn't do anything for the middle class or lower class who are further separated from the wealthy.[/QUOTE]

If tariffs "are just an indirect form of taxing the population", why do other countries respond with higher tariffs of their own and indirectly tax their population more just because Trump is doing it?

If tariffs "are just an indirect form of taxing the population" and doesn't server any other purpose, why do they exist to begin with? Example: US dairy companies sell to Canada tariff free, but when a certain number is hit then the Canadian government starts indirectly taxing their own population by applying a 200% tariff on said products - why would they do that?

If not for tariffs, how else would you solve an issue like Chinese automakers shipping all parts from China to Mexico for quick assembly, and then shipping across the border to be sold in the US?

It's not about trickle down, but just the logic of it being easier to negotiate a higher salary and better terms for yourself if there are more businesses who want what you can do.

The Market is crashing.

The economy is collapsing.

Inflation is up.

Meanwhile Trump is doing Tesla commercials at the White House for his boss Elon.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14985791]interesting take. :applause:

but how long will the shift back home take? will companies just rather take their chances and wait out trump's term [tariffs] to end? by the time these companies realize that trump isn't bluffing (if he indeed isn't) they may just ride it out if the inflation backlash here is significant enough to predict an incoming 2028 democratic administration. or what are the chances that a traditional republican 2028 administration would decide to continue something so drastic?

also, the public won't see it this way even if it were presented to them in a reasonable manner. they voted the democrats OUT because they wanted more $in their pockets. again, you mention the trump ego - how much backlash will he tolerate before he recinds?[/QUOTE]

Manufacturing with manpower is becoming more and more a thing of the past as companies are going automation. What good is it if US companies coming back to the US when instead of hiring dozens/hundreds of employees, they just go with robotics? The reason a lot of US manufacturers still hire employees in other parts of the world is because their wages are cheaper but automation will replace people eventually, some experts are saying by 2040, that's just 15 years from now.

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;14985834]The Market is crashing.

The economy is collapsing.

Inflation is up.

Meanwhile Trump is doing Tesla commercials at the White House for his boss Elon.[/QUOTE]

Unhinged baseless rant by a basement dwelling dyke.

[QUOTE=rawimpact;14985769]well said. This is what the country needs[/QUOTE]
Oh please. Shut the fukk up and go jump off a cliff already so that your stupid anger issues will be gone in an instant, jackass.

More bloodshed ouch. How much of this will the billionaire oligarchs allow?

winning so HARD


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The market will not get much lower than what it’s at now…

The pain is over.

The pain is over, rally to finish the day, and the market will also be back up on Monday.

You’re welcome.