What does everyone think about VJ Edgecombe, Tre Johnson and Kon Pumpernickle
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What does everyone think about VJ Edgecombe, Tre Johnson and Kon Pumpernickle
[QUOTE=GOBB;15013857]What does everyone think about VJ Edgecombe, Tre Johnson and Kon Pumpernickle[/QUOTE]
VJ is a very good defender. Not sure what to make of him on offense. I didn't see much shot creation from him. Every now and then he would have a nice move and i would think why doesn't he do that more often? I wonder if he was just a freshman deferring to upper classmen. Most of his 3s were catch and shoot. Didn't see step backs or any move to clear space before shooting. He was pretty passive in general but would randomly get aggressive and produce. Wasn't a great finisher inside which i thought was odd given how athletic he is. Measured 6'4 w/o shoes which helped his stock. I thought he was shorter.
Tre has every jumper in the bag. If you've seen it from other guys he has it and took it several times. Elite movement shooter off the catch who can also create off the dribble. Not an elite athlete which limits him taking it to the rim. Pretty good playmaker. He has the clutch gene.
Kon i see as a nice glue guy to have playing with other stars. I think his reputation as a shooter is greater than the reality because he can't shoot off the dribble, or didn't do it well at Duke. Smart player, decent playmaker but i think he is overrated.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15013860]VJ is a very good defender. Not sure what to make of him on offense. I didn't see much shot creation from him. Every now and then he would have a nice move and i would think why doesn't he do that more often? I wonder if he was just a freshman deferring to upper classmen. Most of his 3s were catch and shoot. Didn't see step backs or any move to clear space before shooting. He was pretty passive in general but would randomly get aggressive and produce. Wasn't a great finisher inside which i thought was odd given how athletic he is. Measured 6'4 w/o shoes which helped his stock. I thought he was shorter.
Tre has every jumper in the bag. If you've seen it from other guys he has it and took it several times. Elite movement shooter off the catch who can also create off the dribble. Not an elite athlete which limits him taking it to the rim. Pretty good playmaker. He has the clutch gene.
Kon i see as a nice glue guy to have playing with other stars. I think his reputation as a shooter is greater than the reality because he can't shoot off the dribble, or didn't do it well at Duke. Smart player, decent playmaker but i think he is overrated.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know what to make of VJ. Few folks comparing him to Westbrook but I dont see it. Westbrook just seemed like he’s always been aggressive and explosive as hell with the ball. VJ? Not so much from highlights I’ve seen. I like Tre Johnson over them all. And if it came down to him and Ace at pick 3. And Sixers went Tre I’m not mad.
VJ has explosiveness like Westbrook, but not the relentless attack mode on offense. Better in D though.
Tre will probably be the best early on. Apparently he worked so hard that the coaches had to monitor his practice time to make sure he didn't work too hard.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15013897]VJ has explosiveness like Westbrook, but not the relentless attack mode on offense. Better in D though.
Tre will probably be the best early on. Apparently he worked so hard that the coaches had to monitor his practice time to make sure he didn't work too hard.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the relentless attack on offense is probably what I’m referring too when I compare them.
Sixers being reported on trading up 1 spot with Spurs. Smh oh boy
VJ definitely DOES NOT have explosiveness like Westbrook.
Westbrook when he was young had MJ level, potentially higher explosive traits. First step, stopping on an absolute dime, quickness off the floor, coast to coast speed. Westbrook was truly one of the top ten goats in terms of explosive athletic traits when he was younger.
VJ is so far from that caliber of athlete it's not even a discussion. It's so far from the truth I have to question wtf you are looking at.
[QUOTE=Carbine;15013997]VJ definitely DOES NOT have explosiveness like Westbrook.
Westbrook when he was young had MJ level, potentially higher explosive traits. First step, stopping on an absolute dime, quickness off the floor, coast to coast speed. Westbrook was truly one of the top ten goats in terms of explosive athletic traits when he was younger.
VJ is so far from that caliber of athlete it's not even a discussion. It's so far from the truth I have to question wtf you are looking at.[/QUOTE]
At the combine Westbrook had a 36.5" max vert, 2" less than VJ :bowdown:
[url]https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility[/url]
[QUOTE=Carbine;15013997]VJ definitely DOES NOT have explosiveness like Westbrook.
Westbrook when he was young had MJ level, potentially higher explosive traits. First step, stopping on an absolute dime, quickness off the floor, coast to coast speed. Westbrook was truly one of the top ten goats in terms of explosive athletic traits when he was younger.
VJ is so far from that caliber of athlete it's not even a discussion. It's so far from the truth I have to question wtf you are looking at.[/QUOTE]
VJ is certainly in the ballpark. He's only 19.
At 21 I think we'll see one of the most athletic people in the NBA.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15014029]At the combine Westbrook had a 36.5" max vert, 2" less than VJ :bowdown:
[url]https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility[/url][/QUOTE]
And Tyler Hansbourough was a better combine athlete than Amare Stoudemire. A lot, ALOT of guards in the history of the combine have put up better combine numbers than Westbrook. It doesn't mean much of anything.
Just watch them play. Use your eyes. VJ not anywhere close to Goat level athletic ability from a guards perspective.
He's not in the ballpark of goat athletic guard. Absolutely not. What the **** are you guys watching?
[QUOTE=Carbine;15014135]And Tyler Hansbourough was a better combine athlete than Amare Stoudemire. A lot, ALOT of guards in the history of the combine have put up better combine numbers than Westbrook. It doesn't mean much of anything.
Just watch them play. Use your eyes. VJ not anywhere close to Goat level athletic ability from a guards perspective.[/QUOTE]
When you are talking about "explosion", as me and GOBB were, vertical jump is a big part of that.
What set Westbrook apart was his motor and aggressiveness. That is a separate issue. VJ doesn't have that on offense. His motor is much better on D.
Iverson might be the most athletic guard ive seen.
VJ's finishing at the rim is questionable, apparently. No touch, it seems.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15014147]When you are talking about "explosion", as me and GOBB were, vertical jump is a big part of that.
What set Westbrook apart was his motor and aggressiveness. That is a separate issue. VJ doesn't have that on offense. His motor is much better on D.
Iverson might be the most athletic guard ive seen.[/QUOTE]
No, what separates Westbrook from being a role player was his ungodly explosiveness. He still has the same motor and aggressiveness (and low IQ) but he doesn't have that overpowering speed, quickness, stop and start ability like he did in his prime and we can see the results - he's essentially a role player now even though he's still a pretty good athlete.
[QUOTE=Carbine;15014187]No, what separates Westbrook from being a role player was his ungodly explosiveness. He still has the same motor and aggressiveness (and low IQ) but he doesn't have that overpowering speed, quickness, stop and start ability like he did in his prime and we can see the results - he's essentially a role player now even though he's still a pretty good athlete.[/QUOTE]
That's just your perception. Speed, quickness and hops are measured at the combine. Motor isn't.
If Westbrook was exactly the same athletically when he was young but was more passive on offense then your perception of his athleticism would have been different.
I stand corrected maybe VJ is Westbrook (same age)
[url]https://youtu.be/xW6VP48fc-g?si=cOBuWOWbrbAk6LBk[/url]
Westbrook became way more explosive in the NBA. I can’t say for sure what season. Might check out rookie year 2 etc highlights. But at UCLA his athleticism is on par with what I’ve seen from VJ. Someone like Derrick rose had noticeable freak athletic ability in HS. Never saw Russell in HS. But at ucla it’s not the same. Russell really put in work because I always wondered why he went so high in the draft. I think his motor got him drafted. It’s something you have or don’t really. You can develop your game quicker I think if you have a really high motor. But Westbrook is also a dog. Those two things are huge imo.
The combine does a pretty good job of capturing raw athleticism. One aspect it does miss, though, is jump quickness and two-foot vs. one-foot ability.