so where are the epstein files?

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022322]I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but everyone I've spoken with in real life thought the Epstein list should be released and whoever is on it should be punished accordingly. The dems never promised to release it and Trump RAN on releasing it. Patel even stated himself during Biden's term that the director of the FBI has full access to it and can release it at any time, only to go back on his words now that he's the director of the FBI.



I don't ****ing know what every individual believes, but I posted when the Epstein suicide was fresh that both sides have powerful lobbyists who don't want what Epstein knows out in the open so no one is going to release an honestly record of what Epstein knew. I also stated that the republicans will run on releasing the list and make the dems the 'bad guys' for not releasing it, knowing full well neither of them can. I was right. I



No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me. No, when the Panama Papers were exposed and they got away with it they no longer cared about hiding. Everyone knows the Cayman islands and Swiss banking system have lax'd laws that help the super rich shelter money, and yet we never even tried to pass any laws to combat that. CME owns almost a third of the Dow jones and with their joint venture partners own the majority of that market and can manipulate it as they see fit. These aren't conspiracies they're out in the open, but no one seems to care you even see people actively defend the big beautiful bill.



Doing a quick lookup of what made the movie controversial: the movie is based on a book written by a man who did not have the receipts to back up the things he claimed he did. He created a nonprofit of sorts and funneled money to himself, that's about it. The backlash is that if it's all bs and made up under the guise that it's 'based on a true story' it can harm actual organizations that have been battling trafficking for years. Apparently organizations actually combating human/child trafficking have had an influx of volunteers grossly misinformed about its basic realities, and in some cases being resistant to education from actual people while deferring to stuff they “learned” from this movie and other instances of either extremely exceptional cases or straight up conspiracy theories.


Of course the dems try that. It's called politics. Just like when the republicans dared the democrats to release the Epstein list during Biden's term knowing full well neither side can release that. This is your problem. When your side does it "o it's just politics", when the dems do it it's just intellectually dishonest.

You mean actual conservatives? You realize I have actual, real conservative values right? Core values aren't this trickle down abomination Reagan got republicans to believe.

1) I'm against abortion. But I also am against my tax dollars going to children their own mothers didn't even want, I'm just honest about it. I don't pretend to be a high and mighty christian only to pull free school lunches for the needy like red states.

2) I'm pro gun. I own 8 and shoot about twice a month. However, road rage shootings and school shootings are definitely a problem so if guns were banned I would understand; but until that day comes I'll enjoy my toys.

3) I'm pro capitalism.

4) I'm against federal overreach. I think allowing ice to enter homes without warrants has crossed the line many times over, for instance.[/QUOTE]

oof, what an ether.

facts>>>party line politics

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022322]
No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me. [/QUOTE]


I'll say this about the Illuminati (since you brought it up)... the only way you'll ever believe in it's existence is if you believe in the Supernatural.

I've seen some supernatural coincidences that go way beyond what man is capable of orchestrating.... Take the pyramids for example. Do you really believe average men built those? They are literally impossible to build.


So yes, I do believe there are people that engage in secret occult rituals that go beyond our understanding, and I also believe spiritual dark forces tend to operate behind the scenes.

I'll give you an analogy: Man did not write the Bible, The Holy Spirit possessed Man, and that is how the Bible was produced.

If that is true... couldn't there be demonic forces that posses man to produce things that go against our own interests? What if Oppenheimer was possessed for example?




It's hard to debate these conspiracies with non religious types.... because they're always looking at it from a physical man-made perspective... when in reality, it has everything to do with spiritual possession.

[b]What would possess these types of people to rape little children?[/b] These people are playing with the occult, and when you do that... usually sick bizarre behavior is the result.



I mean c'mon.... I think the Occult Temple on Epstein Island speaks for itself.

[img]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/07/09/21/15835678-7229803-image-a-55_1562704972276.jpg[/img]

[img]https://c.tenor.com/k5WWbJO6390AAAAd/tenor.gif[/img]

From my perspective, it's like trying to convince people that Vampires exist.

Sorry ISH.... but these people are very involved in the Dark Arts.... and Trump is no exception to the rule.

I'll also add this fact.... Since I am a level-10 Jedi Master Conspiracy Expert.


There is a conspiracy theory called: "Lifting the Veil" and it's not one I typically subscribe to...

But essentially it's like a Serial Killer who wants to get caught.

I don't think we will ever get the full truth, but if we get something... it's because they wanted to expose an element of this wickedness to the world,

not because "oops we are so sloppy and f*cked up" .... These Occultists don't make mistakes. It's always theater.

In the end... the veil might be lifted to such a degree that we all get a glimpse of the evilness we are dealing with.... but again, it will be done in a half-truth purposeful manner.



[video=youtube;X5nh45u394E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5nh45u394E[/video]

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15022309]The Epstein thing was entirely a thing republican politicians tried to get to the bottom of.

No liberals or Democrats (citizens) ever asked about the list. Dont be delusional.

They believe the "offical version", remember? That it was suicide.

The rest is a "conspiracy" and only "right wing nutjobs" believe in that.

****ing Sound of Freedom, a movie about child trafficking, was despised by liberal media.

It was "right wing q-anon conspiracy talk".

Thats your filthy side.


Now they try to jump on this thing cause Trump is scoring own goals.


[SIZE=3][B]You people[/B][/SIZE] are so intellectually dishonest.[/QUOTE]


Woah... what the **** do you mean by "you people" ?

one thing that's important to keep in mind going forward. everyone in washington knows at this point that the files aren't going to be released so... if you're wise you won't get caught up in the bullshit you hear from anyone in congress.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15022466]one thing that's important to keep in mind going forward. everyone in washington knows at this point that the files aren't going to be released so... if you're wise you won't get caught up in the bullshit you hear from anyone in congress.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be sure about that.

[url]https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1945502464037326863[/url]


I think this particular issue is not one that Trump can just brush off and hope goes away. I do not think the people will let it go.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022495]I wouldn't be sure about that.

[url]https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1945502464037326863[/url]


I think this particular issue is not one that Trump can just brush off and hope goes away. I do not think the people will let it go.[/QUOTE]

they might not let it go, but nothing will come of it. as long as trump is adamant that he will protect his pdf file brethren and himself, he won't ever be forced to show his hand. and even if dems win the next election, they're too spineless to do anything about it.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15022501]they might not let it go, but nothing will come of it. as long as trump is adamant that he will protect his pdf file brethren and himself, he won't ever be forced to show his hand. and even if dems win the next election, they're too spineless to do anything about it.[/QUOTE]

I think he may be forced to show his hand with this next vote. It is drawn up by a Republican, and we can see others like MTG support it. What will come of that though? Perhaps nothing.

So if Trump is in fact listed or documented? yeah, the question is THEN WHAT? And maybe you're right. Maybe nothing.

Also the Maxwell testimony before Congress is coming. She has said in her past that videos of Trump exist. So we will see what she has to say when asked. Has she been compromised? Very possible. She saw what they did to Epstein, although I am not sure they could do the same to her at this point. Not a soul would buy it. But they could get her down the road, or threaten a family member.

forgot about maxwell. yeah, she'll be dead soon too. surprised up to this point that she's still breathing.

compromised? pff, i doubt it - she has nothing left to lose.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022512]Also the Maxwell testimony before Congress is coming. She has said in her past that videos of Trump exist. So we will see what she has to say when asked. Has she been compromised? Very possible. She saw what they did to Epstein, although I am not sure they could do the same to her at this point. Not a soul would buy it. But they could get her down the road, or threaten a family member.[/QUOTE]

Epstein’s lawyer, David Schoen, publicly stated that Epstein had no damaging information on Donald Trump.

[url]https://x.com/fopminui/status/1931027707384447026[/url]

This was in response to Musk's allegations.

Could he be lying? Sure, but it's something to consider. If someone had blackmail on the president of the U.S., I don't know what they would have to gain by making that public.

I said the same thing about the Epstein list. Whoever has that list has leverage over the most powerful people in the world. What good are those people if they are in jail? For all we know that list is the only thing keeping Trump alive.

This is why I say you shouldn't jump to conclusions and automatically engage in your "Trump is a pedo" fantasy.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15022516]forgot about maxwell. yeah, she'll be dead soon too. surprised up to this point that she's still breathing.

compromised? pff, i doubt it - she has nothing left to lose.[/QUOTE]

She has 8 siblings.

[I]"Say Trump is innocent or your dear sister dies in an awful house fire"[/I]

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022520]Epstein’s lawyer, David Schoen, publicly stated that Epstein had no damaging information on Donald Trump.

[url]https://x.com/fopminui/status/1931027707384447026[/url]

This was in response to Musk's allegations.

Could he be lying? Sure, but it's something to consider.[B] If someone had blackmail on the president of the U.S., I don't know what they would have to gain by making that public. [/B]

I said the same thing about the Epstein list. Whoever has that list has leverage over the most powerful people in the world. What good are those people if they are in jail? For all we know that list is the only thing keeping Trump alive.

This is why I say you shouldn't jump to conclusions and automatically engage in your "Trump is a pedo" fantasy.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't be "someone" it would be the FBI. An entity. And probably too many in that group to do anything illegal like blackmail.

They don't not want to release anything, I am sure for legal reasons. And releasing info to the public isn't their business anyway. Very easy to get into legal trouble just throwing things about. But with this latest bill being drawn up? They may be forced to do that.

I do think that Epstein himself probably didn't write down every little thing he was part of. I mean that would be weird. But it is clear that he liked to film things, and it could be possible that the FBI took the time to document everything that Epstein did film.

So let's say they have video of Trump with a girl, and that footage is documented for all of us to read. I then wonder if they will be able to release the age of the victim because that would be the part that matters most. I imagine the victim's name will be kept private.

Alex Jones says Trump’s comments today on Epstein made it much worse again: “It’s just the biggest train wreck I’ve ever seen. Jesus, I’m on a roller coaster here! It’s bad, it’s getting worse by the minute. Why the hell are you acting like this? Please stop now!”

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;15022544]Alex Jones says Trump’s comments today on Epstein made it much worse again: “It’s just the biggest train wreck I’ve ever seen. Jesus, I’m on a roller coaster here! It’s bad, it’s getting worse by the minute. Why the hell are you acting like this? Please stop now!”[/QUOTE]

Why does he want Trump to "stop"? Doesn't he want to get to the truth? Isn't that what Alex Jones is all about? Figuring out the truth behind the conspiracy? But he wants Trump to stop talking because it is showing everyone the truth?

I guess conspiracies are all fun and games until it's you find out it's your hero and savior at the center of it all. Then you don't want to know the truth any more.

Trump's last 48 hrs

Fell asleep at presser
Said his uncle taught the Unabomber (he didn't)
Said "I call it the Epstein hoax"/you are "stupid people" if you fell for it
Said gas is under $2 bucks...it isn't
Said "I was surprised he was appointed" regarding Powell who he appointed

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022520]This is why I say you shouldn't jump to conclusions and automatically engage in your "Trump is a pedo" fantasy.[/QUOTE] You jump to conclusions all the time. It’s the thing I see you do second most often besides strawmaning.

And if abusing your power to walk into teenage dressing rooms isn’t some creepy, pedo shit idk what is.

[IMG]https://media-proxy.snopes.com/width/600?url=https://media.snopes.com/2024/07/trump_pageant_4.png[/IMG]

Inb4 “15 year olds got married all the time 100 years ago”.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022562]You jump to conclusions all the time. It’s the thing I see you do second most often besides strawmaning.

And if abusing your power to walk into teenage dressing rooms isn’t some creepy, pedo shit idk what is.

[IMG]https://media-proxy.snopes.com/width/600?url=https://media.snopes.com/2024/07/trump_pageant_4.png[/IMG]

Inb4 “15 year olds got married all the time 100 years ago”.[/QUOTE]

yep, baller and other maga's have already made that argument about age. they will move the goalposts as much as they need to in order for trump being a pdf file to be a non-issue for them.

[QUOTE] “I have had more success in 6 months than perhaps any President in our Country’s history, and all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the Fake News and the success starved Dems, is the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax,” he wrote. “[B]Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”[/B][/QUOTE]

Hear that, MAGA? Your Lord and savior Donald just called you 'weaklings'. Are you going to just take it laying down like the good sheep you are?

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022562]You jump to conclusions all the time. It’s the thing I see you do second most often besides strawmaning.

And if abusing your power to walk into teenage dressing rooms isn’t some creepy, pedo shit idk what is.

[IMG]https://media-proxy.snopes.com/width/600?url=https://media.snopes.com/2024/07/trump_pageant_4.png[/IMG]

Inb4 “15 year olds got married all the time 100 years ago”.[/QUOTE]

Such a perfect meme. Can you post the audio for that quote?

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022571]Such a perfect meme. Can you post the audio for that quote?[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

[video=youtube_share;xIvFHFboWEU]https://youtu.be/xIvFHFboWEU?si=Y9JIkbgpqxcWeVfK[/video]

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022580]:cheers:

[video=youtube_share;xIvFHFboWEU]https://youtu.be/xIvFHFboWEU?si=Y9JIkbgpqxcWeVfK[/video][/QUOTE]

Thanks, had a feeling it was fake, just too perfect of a quote.

Where are the 911 files?

A conspiracy that actually matters.

Why aren’t MAGA furious demanding this information?

the united states is covering up a child sex ring?

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[IMG]https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5a7db87056b75c08a3e5b183/master/pass/Borowitz-Trumps-Worst-Hair-Day.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=diamenz;15022672]the united states is covering up a child sex ring?

[IMG]https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1403/06/31/1403063115231785931019274.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5a7db87056b75c08a3e5b183/master/pass/Borowitz-Trumps-Worst-Hair-Day.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v-S83IcnUJY/maxresdefault.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


They covered up the mass murder of thousands of Americans calling it terrorism.

How you feel about that?

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15022687]

[B]How you feel[/B] about that?[/QUOTE]

is that ebonics or are you just an uneducated nut like the rest of your kind?

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15022687]They covered up the mass murder of thousands of Americans calling it terrorism.

How you feel about that?[/QUOTE]

I think they're both awful and aren't mutually exclusive. We can talk about sex crimes too, if you were a prosecutor you'd charge them for both and hopefully get the bigger sentencing right? You and your law team would research both crimes in depth.

[video=youtube;b-lWIfliVB4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-lWIfliVB4&ab_channel=NBCNews[/video]

Guys, Epstein was never a big factor in terms of, life, we don't need to see these files.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15022743][video=youtube;b-lWIfliVB4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-lWIfliVB4&ab_channel=NBCNews[/video]

Guys, Epstein was never a big factor in terms of, life, we don't need to see these files.[/QUOTE]

It's glorious seeing one of, if not the biggest, political propagators of conspiracy theories fall victim to the same mechanics he uses to eliminate his opposition, to put distrust into opinions and even facts he doesn't accept.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022580]:cheers:

[video=youtube_share;xIvFHFboWEU]https://youtu.be/xIvFHFboWEU?si=Y9JIkbgpqxcWeVfK[/video][/QUOTE]

Curious though, now when posting the video, is it on purpose you didn't mention anything about your quote being fake?

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022510]I think he may be forced to show his hand with this next vote. It is drawn up by a Republican, and we can see others like MTG support it. What will come of that though? Perhaps nothing.

So if Trump is in fact listed or documented? yeah, the question is THEN WHAT? And maybe you're right. Maybe nothing.[/QUOTE]

The whole thing is fked. If there's video of politicians or someone like Bill Gates having sex with what's for sure kids, they're obviously not going to release video of it or pics from it. If there's video of them having sex with someone who might be 17, 18, 19 or 20, they're obviously not going to be releasing video of that either.
What would be needed is investigations and trials, if someone is on video having sex with what is for sure or what could be a child, that is the right course of action. If old rumors are true about Epstein running a big ring providing child sex for some of the most powerful western billionaires and politicians and it all came out, the economy crashes. If he was setting these powerful people up on behalf of the CIA, which used to be a theory, there's not going to be any trials because it's all about blackmail. If he was doing it for Israel with the intent of creating power structures they can control, no President will ever release that info either.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022751]The whole thing is fked. If there's video of politicians or someone like Bill Gates having sex with what's for sure kids, they're obviously not going to release video of it or pics from it. If there's video of them having sex with someone who might be 17, 18, 19 or 20, they're obviously not going to be releasing video of that either.
What would be needed is investigations and trials, if someone is on video having sex with what is for sure or what could be a child, that is the right course of action. If old rumors are true about Epstein running a big ring providing child sex for some of the most powerful western billionaires and politicians and it all came out, the economy crashes. If he was setting these powerful people up on behalf of the CIA, which used to be a theory, there's not going to be any trials because it's all about blackmail. If he was doing it for Israel with the intent of creating power structures they can control, no President will ever release that info either.[/QUOTE]

Can't edit anymore, but saying the economy crashes is probably too big of a statement - it would depend on who's involved.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022751]The whole thing is fked. If there's video of politicians or someone like Bill Gates having sex with what's for sure kids, they're obviously not going to release video of it or pics from it. If there's video of them having sex with someone who might be 17, 18, 19 or 20, they're obviously not going to be releasing video of that either.
What would be needed is investigations and trials, if someone is on video having sex with what is for sure or what could be a child, that is the right course of action. If old rumors are true about Epstein running a big ring providing child sex for some of the most powerful western billionaires and politicians and it all came out, the economy crashes. If he was setting these powerful people up on behalf of the CIA, which used to be a theory, there's not going to be any trials because it's all about blackmail. If he was doing it for Israel with the intent of creating power structures they can control, no President will ever release that info either.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking that probably all the video footage is documented, and we just get the documents. Not the actual footage.

The blackmail angle doesn't make sense to me any more given it is all in possession of the FBI. If just Epstein himself has it? Then yeah he can blackmail everyone in it. But the FBI is too big of an organization for everyone in it to be on board. I actually have a buddy in the FBI and he is a legit very good person.

I am curious though, if Trump is in fact documented with an under-age girl. If Katie Johnson's story turns up to be real. Then what? Like is Trump auto-arrested? What happens?

He will for sure cry foul, conspiracy, Obama did it, etc

It really boggles the mind how Trump backed himself into a corner like this. There were a million different ways he could have thrown water on the Epstein thing and kicked the can down the road. For someone who's end goal was to sweep it under the rug, he went about the WORST way possible. You don't hire Kash and Bongino unless you to intend to fuel that fire. It's all just very, very weird... and now Trump is making himself out to look like an idiot. He misfires sometimes but he's never misfired this badly.

To go from "We're gonna release files!"... to "Files? What files?"... to "If you believe there are files you're an idiot"... is quite the play I must say.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022784]I am curious though, if Trump is in fact documented with an under-age girl. If Katie Johnson's story turns up to be real. Then what? Like is Trump auto-arrested? What happens?

He will for sure cry foul, conspiracy, Obama did it, etc[/QUOTE]

I'm willing to bet if Trump goes down they all go down.

The only reason this information hasn't come to light is because it would have assured the mutual destruction of both sides. There's zero chance that if something were to come out that Trump and only Trump is implicated. Plus he would probably just start dropping names himself. I'm sure he has contingency plans too.

I don't think there's a way to bring Trump down without bringing the whole thing down.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022785]It really boggles the mind how Trump backed himself into a corner like this. There were a million different ways he could have thrown water on the Epstein thing and kicked the can down the road. For someone who's end goal was to sweep it under the rug, he went about the WORST way possible. You don't hire Kash and Bongino unless you to intend to fuel that fire. It's all just very, very weird... and now Trump is making himself out to look like an idiot. He misfires sometimes but he's never misfired this badly.

To go from "We're gonna release files!"... to "Files? What files?"... to "If you believe there are files you're an idiot"... is quite the play I must say.[/QUOTE]

Very strange indeed. Like..there can't be brand new information in the last couple of months that would have him change his tune this quickly and aggressively can there?

I will say, I agree that the fact that he is now insinuating that this was never a topic for him and is just a Democrat thing is wild. Does he not think that people were around and remember 8 months ago?

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15022794]Very strange indeed. Like..there can't be brand new information in the last couple of months that would have him change his tune this quickly and aggressively can there?

I will say, I agree that the fact that he is now insinuating that this was never a topic for him and is just a Democrat thing is wild. Does he not think that people were around and remember 8 months ago?[/QUOTE]

When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.