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[QUOTE=ZenMaster]Nate Robinson, reliable defender?
Von Wafer, reliable defender?
Shaq, reliable defender?
Big Baby is a favorable matchup for a team like the Lakers, I clearly remember him guarding Pau in crunch time and the Lakers took advantage.
Seen the Celtics plenty last year.[/QUOTE]
They're decent defenders. You, however, paint them out to be completely terrible. They serve their purpose. Could they be stronger? Of course. But just because they aren't Posey or T. Allen it doesn't make them garbage.
I don't know how people can misconstrue picking up Shaq for pocket change as anything less than a positive. The guy is as productive as Perkins and demands multiple defenders around the basket. He brings tons of pluses to a team that was six minutes from a championship a few months back.
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cELTICS=official superstar/all star graveyard
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[QUOTE=highwhey]cELTICS=official superstar/all star graveyard[/QUOTE]
As opposed to Phoenix which is just a graveyard.
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[QUOTE]They won every game I listed down the stretch. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of closing out the game. [/QUOTE]
Yeah well they're supposed to win some right? I mean, it's the playoffs and all.
They lost game 4 vs the Heat by 9 after being outscored by 15 in the 4th.
They lost game 1 vs the Cavs by 8 after being outscored by 7 in the 4th.
They lost game 4 vs the Magic being outscored by 1 in the 4th for overtime which they lost by 4.
They lost game game 5 vs the Magic being outscored in the 4th by 12 after being down by 9 at the start of the quarter.
They lost game 3 vs the Lakers by 7 after being outscored by 1 in the 4th.
They lost game 4 vs the Lakers by 4 after being outscored by 8 in the 4th.
[QUOTE]Doc Rivers is not Mike Brown. Doc will have no problem sitting him. And the Cavs didn't have the option of playing guys like JO, Perk and Big Baby ahead of Shaq.[/QUOTE]
True, but could still mean chemistry problems with Shaq bickering like it did for the Cavs in the playoffs.
And Brown had guys like Varejao and Hickson he could have played instead.
[QUOTE]Well, its not easy when you're being defended by arguably the best post defender.[/QUOTE]
I know, but he looked REALLY bad.
[QUOTE]They still have one of the best defensive systems in the league, plus Pierce & Marquis are decent defenders. The Celtics can still use Sheed's contract to get a decent wing.[/QUOTE]
Yep, will be interesting to see who they can pick up with that contract, they need a good one.
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[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]They're decent defenders. You, however, paint them out to be completely terrible. They serve their purpose. Could they be stronger? Of course. But just because they aren't Posey or T. Allen it doesn't make them garbage.
I don't know how people can misconstrue picking up Shaq for pocket change as anything less than a positive. The guy is as productive as Perkins and demands multiple defenders around the basket. He brings tons of pluses to a team that was six minutes from a championship a few months back.[/QUOTE]
IMO Nate Robinson is a horrible defender along with Wafer.
The problem about how you talk about Shaq is that it's only offensively, defense is what wins championships and he's a liability there. He's slow and fouls a lot.
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Well, this officially ends any chance of the Magic advancing to the NBA Finals. The Celtics are their kryptonite; ironically, they added Superman.
Anyways, the Celtics look like a god damn dream team. I can't believe both O'Neals, Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo, and possibly 'Sheed all play on the same team. That's ridiculous, even if they're past their primes.
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I see him being a better fit with the Celtics than he was with the Cavs. In Cleveland when he was on the floor he really hurt the offense, Boston fits his style better.
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[QUOTE=Fatstogie]Id say it was a good move but they paid him way too much money and got him a way too long a contract.
So bad move. But Perkins should still be getting the most playing time. So IMO thats way too much money for someone who aint gonna be a starter.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? O'Neal signed a one-year deal for the veteran's minimum.
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[QUOTE=highwhey]cELTICS=official superstar/all star graveyard[/QUOTE]
They just need to get AI and they'll have the early 00s MVP race all dying on their team :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=ZenMaster]Yeah well they're supposed to win some right? I mean, it's the playoffs and all.
They lost game 4 vs the Heat by 9 after being outscored by 15 in the 4th.
[B]You're right, but this was not really a critical game for the Celtics.[/B]
They lost game 1 vs the Cavs by 8 after being outscored by 7 in the 4th.
[B]I'll give you this one[/B]
They lost game 4 vs the Magic being outscored by 1 in the 4th for overtime which they lost by 4.
[B]Again, there wasn't really much pressure on the Celtics in this game[/B]
They lost game game 5 vs the Magic being outscored in the 4th by 12 after being down by 9 at the start of the quarter.
[B]The Celtics were playing catch up throughout the entire game, it wasn't really a close game in the 4th. On top of that by the 4th quarter Perk was ejected, Baby got knocked out and Pierce was in foul trouble.[/B]
They lost game 3 vs the Lakers by 7 after being outscored by 1 in the 4th.
[B]I'll give you that[/B]
They lost game 4 vs the Lakers by 4 after being outscored by 8 in the 4th.
[B]I'm pretty sure you mean game 7. I'll give you that one too[/B]
[/QUOTE] Either way, that's 6 games vs the nine games I posted. And each game I posted was a critical game.
[QUOTE]True, but could still mean chemistry problems with Shaq bickering like it did for the Cavs in the playoffs.
And Brown had guys like Varejao and Hickson he could have played instead.
[/QUOTE] I doubt Shaq will cause too much problems. The Celtics have always had great chemistry, I don't think Shaq can break that. He knows what he's getting into. He obviously knew his role would be limited when he decided to sign.
[QUOTE]I know, but he looked REALLY bad.[/QUOTE]
There won't be nearly as much pressure on him with the Celtics. He doesn't even need to score more than 7pts a game
[QUOTE]Yep, will be interesting to see who they can pick up with that contract, they need a good one.[/QUOTE] I'm sure we'll get something decent. Danny isn't going to let that contract go to waste.
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Honestly, I'm equally excited to watch the Celtics this year as I am the Heat. Having this many former superstars who are hungry for a ring has never been seen before. The ball movement and defense should be off the charts.
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[QUOTE=ZenMaster]IMO Nate Robinson is a horrible defender along with Wafer.
The problem about how you talk about Shaq is that it's only offensively, defense is what wins championships and he's a liability there. He's slow and fouls a lot.[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows Shaq is a defensive liability, and it's about as widely known as the sky being blue or grass being green. With that said, teams have managed to acclimate to his limited defensive prowess (save for maybe Cleveland) and have made it work, to the tune of four championships and multiple playoff appearances. I fully expect Boston's offense to slag as well, with Shaq refusing to hoof it down court to get back, but I will take the handful of negatives for the positives of having a future HOFer coming off the bench.
As far as fouling is concerned, I'm not too worried about it. He's essentially giving teams free points at the stripe but Boston has an unbelievable big man rotation right now. Similar to what Boston did against Dwight in the ECF, except this time the fouling won't be intentional. If the Big Fella gets in foul trouble, substitute with any of your other bigs capable of putting up sufficient numbers. His offensive output will be more than worth his racking up five fouls a night before sitting, which is something you couldn't say for Boston's previous foul prone acquisitions (Mikki Moore, Shelden Williams, or even Sheeds chucking and tech receiving). At least Shaq will be putting the ball in the basket in the midst of his foul frenzies.
I see your point though, for sure. But I still feel that Boston boasts enough patches for their defensive holes that tossing a guy like Shaq in the fray won't have such a dramatic effect. I felt pretty good about Robinson's man defense in the Magic series. For a guy who has traditionally been a spotty defender he was pulling his weight with limited minutes.
I'm eager to see what sort of wing they're able to pick up for Sheeds contract. I wouldn't mind seeing West in a Boston uni again but it would take some getting used to after rooting against him in Cleveland for so long.
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LOL @ the Magic fan who said they paid Shaq too much. Did you even read the article?
Re: Shaq close to agreement with Celtics
[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]Everyone knows Shaq is a defensive liability, and it's about as widely known as the sky being blue or grass being green. With that said, teams have managed to acclimate to his limited defensive prowess (save for maybe Cleveland) and have made it work, to the tune of four championships and multiple playoff appearances. I fully expect Boston's offense to slag as well, with Shaq refusing to hoof it down court to get back, but I will take the handful of negatives for the positives of having a future HOFer coming off the bench.
As far as fouling is concerned, I'm not too worried about it. He's essentially giving teams free points at the stripe but Boston has an unbelievable big man rotation right now. Similar to what Boston did against Dwight in the ECF, except this time the fouling won't be intentional. If the Big Fella gets in foul trouble, substitute with any of your other bigs capable of putting up sufficient numbers. His offensive output will be more than worth his racking up five fouls a night before sitting, which is something you couldn't say for Boston's previous foul prone acquisitions (Mikki Moore, Shelden Williams, or even Sheeds chucking and tech receiving). At least Shaq will be putting the ball in the basket in the midst of his foul frenzies.
I see your point though, for sure. But I still feel that Boston boasts enough patches for their defensive holes that tossing a guy like Shaq in the fray won't have such a dramatic effect. I felt pretty good about Robinson's man defense in the Magic series. For a guy who has traditionally been a spotty defender he was pulling his weight with limited minutes.
I'm eager to see what sort of wing they're able to pick up for Sheeds contract. I wouldn't mind seeing West in a Boston uni again but it would take some getting used to after rooting against him in Cleveland for so long.[/QUOTE]
Shaq is a way bigger liability now though than he was 5-10 years ago. Him being what 39? is the biggest factor for this obviously.
And him fouling a lot isn't only about the free points they're getting from those fouls. It's also about the rest of the team having to play in the bonus more than what they really should.
I hope that the additions will be enough to take care of the rest of the east, I'm just really doubtful though because Shaq is so old, Perk will have to come back from a rough injury and JO's knees are shot. I'm very interested in seeing how KG will come back, I've heard him say that he's getting a lot of knowledge on how to rehabilitate his knee and that he'll come back stronger than last year, but it remains to be seen.
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