The Official 2nd Presidential Debate Thread - 10/7/08

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Love that pin!!!!

[QUOTE=D.J.]I'm a new poster. I joined a few days ago.[/QUOTE]
Or how bout you are plowking, a known biased democrat. Pretty pathetic man.

[quote=Kumo][B]McCains camp isn't doing that though[/B]... but I see where you think the population being around that humor is dangerous though. But yeah, I kind of agree with you, but most know when a joke falls off to an insult...threat...etc.

btw - I haven't said he's a terrorist, I'm just saying its a joke when people say it.[/quote]

Sarah Palin has been doing that everyday since Saturday. And it's starting to show just how sad this campaign has become.

How in the heck are McCain/Palin putting "country first" when they are inciting PURE HATRED and DIVISIVENESS on the campaign trail?

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[QUOTE]"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy." [/QUOTE]

Maybe to you this is fine, however this is NOT the sort of leadership I want in my country.

[QUOTE=Denali]obama is a young, inexperienced, big-talking idealistic fan...


mccain has been doing this a long time and knows how foreign policy works, he knows how legislating works, he understands the principles of government and he is REALISTIC...

if you want steady, solid substance, vote mccain...
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Denali, what in McCain's experience led him to go on national television a few times prior to the Iraq war and state that success in the war would be "fairly easy" and that we could win an overwhelming victory in a relatively short time?

We are not looking for someone with experience for the sake of having experience. We're looking for someone who's experience will translate into good judgement. Obama, a neophyte, somehow managed to accurately call the war:

[QUOTE]I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Queda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I

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Interesting how the bitterness comes out so aggressively here....



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[QUOTE=MaxFly]Denali, what in McCain's experience led him to go on national television a few times prior to the Iraq war and state that success in the war would be "fairly easy" and that we could win an overwhelming victory in a relatively short time?

We are not looking for someone with experience for the sake of having experience. We're looking for someone who's experience will translate into good judgement. Obama, a neophyte, somehow managed to accurately call the war:



So it's laughable when I hear people harp about experience as one of McCain's primary advantages over Obama. How important is your experience if it doesn't inform your decisons or your thought process. Foreign policy is an area where McCain should dominate Obama, yet inspite of all his experience, McCain was the one who called Iraq incorrectly.[/QUOTE]


Its laughable when people on the right still criticize Obama for inexperience, when they thought it was fine that Palin was a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I thought they stopped using that card after realizing how hypocritical they come across by supporting Palin as the greatest candidate ever :rolleyes:

I guess someone didn't get the memo :hammerhead:

I'm just waiting for the first "n!gger" to be dropped by the McCain campaign.

Denali, how do you feel about the new McCain 300 Billion dollar mortgage buy back? Will it work, and how do you think we will be able to pay for it?

I can't speak for anyone else but that 300 billion dollar mortgage buyout has done me in. I was considering voting for him, but am not really sure anymore.

Its ********. First he embraces that damned $700 billion bailout which his cronies grew to over $850 billion and now he wants the government to buy up even more bad debt.

From a strictly political standpoint, I thought that plan hurts his credibility when he claims "Obama is a big spending liberal" and "I want to cut spending and taxes".

I thought it looked bad that one one question he was cutting spending, and the next question he was spending 300 Billion dollars.

His message is and has been inconsistent, and that is why I think he lost the debate.

"My friends, this is straight talk, I'm going to cut 20 billion in earmarks which don't actually raise the budget one dime and replace it with 300 billion in mortgage buyouts"

HELLO! That is too much socialism for me to handle!

Obama doesn't even have to do anything other than to stand by and watch McCain flounder about. McCain is losing this election all on his own.

[QUOTE=picc84]I'm just waiting for the first "n!gger" to be dropped by the McCain campaign.[/QUOTE]
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Damn evil white people!!!!

[QUOTE=Heilige]Denali, how do you feel about the new McCain 300 Billion dollar mortgage buy back? Will it work, and how do you think we will be able to pay for it?

I can't speak for anyone else but that 300 billion dollar mortgage buyout has done me in. I was considering voting for him, but am not really sure anymore.

Its ********. First he embraces that damned $700 billion bailout which his cronies grew to over $850 billion and now he wants the government to buy up even more bad debt.

From a strictly political standpoint, I thought that plan hurts his credibility when he claims "Obama is a big spending liberal" and "I want to cut spending and taxes".

I thought it looked bad that one one question he was cutting spending, and the next question he was spending 300 Billion dollars.

His message is and has been inconsistent, and that is why I think he lost the debate.

"My friends, this is straight talk, I'm going to cut 20 billion in earmarks which don't actually raise the budget one dime and replace it with 300 billion in mortgage buyouts"

HELLO! That is too much socialism for me to handle!

Obama doesn't even have to do anything other than to stand by and watch McCain flounder about. McCain is losing this election all on his own.[/QUOTE]
dammit, I was gonna make a joke about 18 bil in earmmarks paying for it, but you beat me to it. it is funny to me that he cant seem to answer a question on any domestic policy (could be spay and neuter legislation for stray dogs or something) without bringing it back to earmarks and offshore drilling. Dude, 18 bil aint **** in our budget. Get over it. In the meantime, you just passed a bill with innumerable earmarks (the bailout bill) and all for the good of the country.

Also, that town hall format was a terrible idea for his campaign. he looked like a frail old man who could barely hobble around. a couple of times I thought he looked like a mystic from the dark crystal with that slow shuffle step.

[QUOTE=Heilige]Denali, how do you feel about the new McCain 300 Billion dollar mortgage buy back? Will it work, and how do you think we will be able to pay for it?

I can't speak for anyone else but that 300 billion dollar mortgage buyout has done me in. I was considering voting for him, but am not really sure anymore.

Its ********. First he embraces that damned $700 billion bailout which his cronies grew to over $850 billion and now he wants the government to buy up even more bad debt.

From a strictly political standpoint, I thought that plan hurts his credibility when he claims "Obama is a big spending liberal" and "I want to cut spending and taxes".

I thought it looked bad that one one question he was cutting spending, and the next question he was spending 300 Billion dollars.

His message is and has been inconsistent, and that is why I think he lost the debate.

"My friends, this is straight talk, I'm going to cut 20 billion in earmarks which don't actually raise the budget one dime and replace it with 300 billion in mortgage buyouts"

HELLO! That is too much socialism for me to handle!

Obama doesn't even have to do anything other than to stand by and watch McCain flounder about. McCain is losing this election all on his own.[/QUOTE]
McCain is going to do what he think is best for the American people. He knows that pork barrel spending is absolutely NOT what the American people want to do, but he seems to think this bail out plan is absolutely necessary.


Also why is no-one talking about Obama being the leading receiver of frannie may and freddie Mac dirty money????

[QUOTE=Smokee]Its laughable when people on the right still criticize Obama for inexperience, when they thought it was fine that Palin was a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I thought they stopped using that card after realizing how hypocritical they come across by supporting Palin as the greatest candidate ever :rolleyes:

I guess someone didn't get the memo :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

Oh, let's not even get into Palin. I've heard people make the case that she's a quick study and will be up to speed by Jan 20th. This is all about attacking your opponents weakness, therefore, I have no problem with McCain and Co. attacking Obama on experience... I may not agree, but I can understand the attack. But to choose Sarah Palin to be VP after you've spent the better part of a month and a half hitting Obama on experience is ridiculous.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I like Sarah Palin. I think she's a very smart woman as well as an astute politician, and I think she would be a very attractive candidate in the future. However, she's just not ready, and it's not a question of her experience... it's a question of her knowledge base. She hasn't been in the habit of thinking about these national issues and developing her own individual stances. If she were running with a younger, healthier candidate at another time, perhaps... I personally believe that the vice presidency does somewhat lend itself to on the job training. But right now, we are in very turbulent times, the top of the ticket isn't the healthiest person ever, and he will need sage counsel on a myriad of issues. She isn't in the position to provide that right now.

[QUOTE=Heilige]Denali, how do you feel about the new McCain 300 Billion dollar mortgage buy back? Will it work, and how do you think we will be able to pay for it?

I can't speak for anyone else but that 300 billion dollar mortgage buyout has done me in. I was considering voting for him, but am not really sure anymore.

Its ********. First he embraces that damned $700 billion bailout which his cronies grew to over $850 billion and now he wants the government to buy up even more bad debt.

From a strictly political standpoint, I thought that plan hurts his credibility when he claims "Obama is a big spending liberal" and "I want to cut spending and taxes".

I thought it looked bad that one one question he was cutting spending, and the next question he was spending 300 Billion dollars.

His message is and has been inconsistent, and that is why I think he lost the debate.

"My friends, this is straight talk, I'm going to cut 20 billion in earmarks which don't actually raise the budget one dime and replace it with 300 billion in mortgage buyouts"

HELLO! That is too much socialism for me to handle!

Obama doesn't even have to do anything other than to stand by and watch McCain flounder about. McCain is losing this election all on his own.[/QUOTE]

This is what I like to see Heilige. Another republican realizing that the republican party is no longer being republican.

Voted 3rd Party people!

[QUOTE=MaxFly][B]Oh, let's not even get into Palin. I've heard people make the case that she's a quick study and will be up to speed by Jan 20th. This is all about attacking your opponents weakness, therefore, I have no problem with McCain and Co. attacking Obama on experience... I may not agree, but I can understand the attack. But to choose Sarah Palin to be VP after you've spent the better part of a month and a half hitting Obama on experience is ridiculous.[/B]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I like Sarah Palin. I think she's a very smart woman as well as an astute politician, and I think she would be a very attractive candidate in the future. However, she's just not ready, and it's not a question of her experience... it's a question of her knowledge base. She hasn't been in the habit of thinking about these national issues and developing her own individual stances. If she were running with a younger, healthier candidate at another time, perhaps... I personally believe that the vice presidency does somewhat lend itself to on the job training. But right now, we are in very turbulent times, the top of the ticket isn't the healthiest person ever, and he will need sage counsel on a myriad of issues. She isn't in the position to provide that right now.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a pretty good thing when you're comparing the experience of a Presidential Candidate and a VP candidate.