Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
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Handchecking is very much prominent in todays basketball. People just ignore the fact. It is not called as strictly as it was the year it was introduced, though occasionally it does get called.
BTW Psileas thanks for the link.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
Handchecking is very much prominent in todays basketball. People just ignore the fact. It is not called as strictly as it was the year it was introduced, though occasionally it does get called.
[B]None of them Are Driving On to the Basket or Going 1 on 1, They Are Just Standing There Palming or Holding the Ball[/B]
:rolleyes:
[B]Proof That in the 90s Began the Decline of NBA Basketball (2000s = Actual Puss**y League)[/B]
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQewgWCd10[/url]
[B]The Amazing "Zone"/Modern Day Defense[/B]
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=9GZfgo8_z7Q&feature=related[/url]
[B]80s NBA Basketball[/B]
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtjs0FqxoM&NR=1[/url]
[B]80s > 90s > 2000s :confusedshrug: [/B]
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=4kYBeNQdSCc&feature=related[/url]
There is the difference.
Players in the 90's had more contact, players now have more players dropping down and helping players. Furthermore players now are forced into jumpshots decreasing their efficiency.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
In that video I watched, look at the play at 2.35. 5 players drop down and help.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
Plus Kobe said defense was better now so whatever a great player of the game says must be true... :rolleyes:
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[QUOTE=plowking]In that video I watched, look at the play at 2.35. 5 players drop down and help.[/QUOTE]
Do you think that play illustrates something special? I understand that zone allows defenders to do certain things they previously couldn't do, but that isn't the best example to make your point. That same collapsing happened before zone to all great players (perimeter or interior) once they got inside on either post-ups or penetration.
That video is hysterical, btw. Dude is incredibly biased. Yeah, it's so hard to get to the basket that guys like James and Wade get inside on 35-40% of their shot attempts (to say nothing of the times they get fouled inside). That means that if they take 20 shots, 7-8 of them are coming inside, plus some other interior attempts that resulted in some of their 10+ FTA/gm.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
Who the hell does this guy think he is:no:
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[QUOTE=Loki]Do you think that play illustrates something special? I understand that zone allows defenders to do certain things they previously couldn't do, but that isn't the best example to make your point. That same collapsing happened before zone to all great players (perimeter or interior) once they got inside on either post-ups or penetration.
That video is hysterical, btw. Dude is incredibly biased. Yeah, it's so hard to get to the basket that guys like James and Wade get inside on 35-40% of their shot attempts (to say nothing of the times they get fouled inside). That means that if they take 20 shots, 7-8 of them are coming inside, plus some other interior attempts that resulted in some of their 10+ FTA/gm.[/QUOTE]
Just mute it. :D
Like you said the guy is extremely biased, though it does illustrate, how defense is played differently. It forces more jumpshots, like I pointed out, which doesn't allow wing players now to be as efficient as those playing in previous eras.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[QUOTE=StroShow4]the old/retired dudes always think they were better than the young/current dudes. nothing to see here, just another old man who doesn't like how the game has changed.[/QUOTE]
Well, he has played Pro Ball unlike everybody on this site dishing out their opinions. His opinion is probably more valid than anybody on this boards.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[QUOTE=allball]Allen Iverson, Earl Boykins and Gilbert Arenas can score in this league but Ice can't. too funny.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, a B grade guard like Joe Johnson averaged 25PPG last with little breakdown ability and GG can't score 30?:roll:
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[QUOTE=mongePR(kb24)]AI is a better scorer than this guy and i dont see him avg 40 a game.[/QUOTE]
AI shoots 40%... GG shot 51% for his career.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[QUOTE=madmax]everything is evolving and improving,/QUOTE]
Yeah, America is getting better and better as time progresses..... Music is just getting better and better. Movies are just getting better and better.:lol
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
The NBA now is a league full of dumb players and is more or less passable entertainment and nothing more. That's why the NBA struggles to keep a fan base.
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[B]Basketball IQ (especially court anwareness), Passing Game, Fundamentals has Gotten Worst than ever before. Stern`s desperate ways to create more Jordan`s or perimter players of similar caracteristics than can score big from the outside driving in or 1 on 1 has been enforced and their job made easier through creating of the handchecking rules, 3 second rule enforced so more perimter players have a chance to get inside easier, he has also taken away the excesive physical contact between inside players Cs,Pfs and Sfs making the NBA even softer than it already is after the flagrant foul rule (any foul is flagrant today), 5 scond rule back to the basket goes against inside stocky players that have a back the basket game etc...there is a favorization to perimter players over inside players (the Jordan effect) and zone defense has made it so in the book theoricaly it looks like defense is better but it has no results against players whom have fundamentals, passing game and know how to move and break that d with ease.[/B]
Re: Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"
[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Basketball IQ (especially court anwareness), Passing Game, Fundamentals has Gotten Worst than ever before. Stern`s desperate ways to create more Jordan`s or perimter players of similar caracteristics than can score big from the outside driving in or 1 on 1 has been enforced and their job made easier through creating of the handchecking rules, 3 second rule enforced so more perimter players have a chance to get inside easier, he has also taken away the excesive physical contact between inside players Cs,Pfs and Sfs making the NBA even softer than it already is after the flagrant foul rule (any foul is flagrant today), 5 scond rule back to the basket goes against inside stocky players that have a back the basket game etc...there is a favorization to perimter players over inside players (the Jordan effect) and zone defense has made it so in the book, theoricaly it looks like defense is better but when players have fundamentals, passing game and know how to move they can be broken with ease.[/B][/QUOTE]
Everything is better the last 2 or 3 years than it was from about 2000-2005, but it's still not all that.
