Larry Bird discussion

[quote=Maniak]Unathletic...Dr. J.....?

**** you are an idiot[/quote]
He's being sarastic

Bird has the softest touch on his jumper I've ever seen.

[quote]Unbelievable. Look at the fake and pass at 3:46. [/quote]
seconded :eek:

[QUOTE=insidehoops]He's being sarastic[/QUOTE]

This guy makes me lose it...

(Bird Sucked & Couldnt Have Played Today)

then he goes to say how these days it would all be Larrys playground...

Im sorry, but Im just totally lost here, thus the reason I try to draw away from paying attention to this guy, all I get is Charles is the GOAT then 10 emotes with all words in bold letters then a random youtube video

[QUOTE=insidehoops]He's being sarastic[/QUOTE]

[B]Exactly...:hammerhead:

[U]List of [U]Unathletic[/U] and [U]Slow[/U] players that guarded Larry Bird in the Perimeter[/U]

Doctor J, 6`9 James Worthy, Scottie Pippen, Drexler, Michael Cooper, Dominique Wilkins, Ron Harper, Adrian Dantley,...o Yes also..

[U]List of Weak and Short Players that Guarded Larry Bird in the Post[/U]

6`11 John Salley, 6`9/257 lbs Karl Malone, Charles Barkley 6`5/6`4 260-80 lbs, Dennis Rodman (Could Guard 1-4 Positions), 6`10/245 lbs Horace Grant, 6`8/240 lbs Buck Williams, 6`7/234 lbs Xavier McDaniel etc..

Oh i forgot...:hammerhead:

[U]List of Weak and Short players Larry Bird Guarded in the Post[/U]

6`9/265 lbs Antoine Carr, 7`0/245 lbs Kevin Willis, 6`9 James Worthy, 6`8 /250 lbs Terry Cummings etc..


:roll: [/B]

[QUOTE=stephanieg]You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Anatomically modern day humans have been on this planet for approximately 200,000 years. About 50,000 years ago they became behaviorally modern (see "the great leap forward"). Ever since then humans have been constantly changing their environment to suit their needs. The human body has also changed in response to agriculture, modern day food processing, pollution, and other aspects of modern day living which didn't exist on the African savanna.

Basketball was invented a little over a century ago. Ever since then the human genome has been constantly at work producing generation after generation of new NBA stars. It's how evolution works. Fans want good players. Mother nature responds by making basketball players of increasing quality or "fitness."

You think Bird is a good player because he looks great competing against equally bad players by today's standards. It'd be like if you played against fifth graders. Sure, you look good, but only by comparison. If Bird played today he would be extremely limited given his stiffness, immobility, non-European whiteness, and slow decision making skills compared to modern day blurs like Troy Murphy or Tim Duncan.

You have to understand that if Hedo Turkoglu was sent back in a time machine he would dominate the NBA that Bird and his contemporaries played in. But nowadays he's just an OK player. Things move so fast.

But we shouldn't look back on past weaker eras arrogantly. Bird retired only a generation ago. In another generation players will be dunking from the three point line and looking back at our era with equal derision.[/QUOTE]


This is so silly of a comparison to think that a player in todays game that is average at best is better than Bird makes no sense. If you wanna say a Lebron or Kobe is better than Bird thats one thing but Hedo ???????????
It must be understood that if Bob Cousy was to play in todays era it wouldn't be a 1950's Cousy it would be a cousy that grew up playing todays game it will be a Cousy that doesnt shoot set shots but shoots jumpers it would be a Cousy that doesnt wear Chuck Taylors he would have on Nikes

Duncan isn't the most athletic guy ever to walk on the court...hence the name, "The Big Fundamental". :confusedshrug:


Why can't Larry Bird be elite(in Today's game)? Plus, if he was playing Today, then he would also have access to all the training/fitness equipment that Today's players have.

[QUOTE=highwhey]Duncan isn't the most athletic guy ever to walk on the court...hence the name, "The Big Fundamental". :confusedshrug:

Why can't Larry Bird be elite(in Today's game)? Plus, if he was playing Today, then he would also have access to all the training/fitness equipment that Today's players have.[/QUOTE]

[B]Is Gastol much athletic? Is Duncan much athletic? Is Kevin McHale much athletic?

And? They School Most Players Today and Back Then...

Athleticism es important but not the most important by the way Bird was 6`9 1/2 and between 81 and 86 (ages 25-30) he wasn`t that slow or unathletic. Ofcourse he was not gifted athletically but he was OVER GIFTED IN ALL OTHER AREAS. Not to mention Bird was thick boned way stronger than most people think just look at the people he guarded in the Post. Today a Bird would be around 240-245 lbs and would even be more musculed toned than before with the vitamins. Natural strength does not increase only overal strength from that and Bird has quite enough natural strength to Guard those dudes and be Guarded by all those dudes mentioned: Both in the Perimter and in the Post.

:confusedshrug: :banghead: [/B]

this I found interesting for those who say that MJ didn't even like basketball:

[QUOTE]MRS: Do you miss the excitement of basketball?
JORDAN: Yes. I have to stay away from it because of it. I wouldn't say it's an addiction, but it's a passion. When you have a passion, you want to do it as much as possible. Addiction means you can't help yourself. I have a strong passion for the game of basketball.[/QUOTE]

One thing about how people say Bird was unathletic that I don't understand, is how was he much different then Magic? They had similar physiques, Magic was probably a bit faster, and both didn't have great vertical leaps. Yet Magic is considered to be a beast in just about any era, while Bird is unathletic and couldn't handle today's game. I'm really starting to think people just look at Bird's skin and short shorts and automatically assume he's unathletic. I'm one to think that past players aren't as athletic as today's players (disregarding that if they grew up in the same era it would be different), and whites generally aren't as athletic as blacks, but I don't think Larry Bird is someone that is really affected by that.

[QUOTE=Godfather]MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. Give it up athletic talents such as Charles Barkley and Karl Malone could have dominated in today's game, [B]but Larry Bird just isn't athletic enough. His fundamentals however would make him a very good player in today's game, just not elite.[/B][/QUOTE]

Translation: Larry Bird is white and non-European, so he couldn't be elite today.

That's pretty much the core of any argument against Bird. So let's attack that racist myth. Bird had arguably the quickest and strongest hands in NBA history, lightning fast footwork and reflexes, now is that not athleticism? Since when did vertical leap become the end-all-be-all of athleticism?

It surely is interesting to see an arguement, wher sir charles supports a case which says Barkley is not the best PF ever :)

[QUOTE=Godfather]MJ also picked Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison as his stars for the future. [/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

[quote=RonySeikalyFTW]Translation: Larry Bird is white and non-European, so he couldn't be elite today.

That's pretty much the core of any argument against Bird. So let's attack that racist myth. Bird had arguably the quickest and strongest hands in NBA history, lightning fast footwork and reflexes, now is that not athleticism? Since when did vertical leap become the end-all-be-all of athleticism?[/quote]

For that matter I don't believe Magic could do what he did in his era. Magic would be unable to play all 5 positions like he did previously and would be unable to consistently run the point. Instead he would play a role similar to LeBron in the Cleveland passing scheme (be the secondary passer who can rack up assists) also he rebound and point total would also decline in today's game (due to being unable to have such authority around the rim). A player who could succeed in all facets (like I previously stated) was a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone, who possess the all around athleticism to compare to and dominate today's players.

[QUOTE=Godfather]For that matter I don't believe Magic could do what he did in his era. Magic would be unable to play all 5 positions like he did previously and would be unable to consistently run the point. Instead he would play a role similar to LeBron in the Cleveland passing scheme (be the secondary passer who can rack up assists) also he rebound and point total would also decline in today's game (due to being unable to have such authority around the rim). A player who could succeed in all facets (like I previously stated) was a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone, who possess the all around athleticism to compare to and dominate today's players.[/QUOTE]

[B]:roll: i can`t stand this sh-it anymore...people overrated athleticism too much.[/B] :rolleyes:

[B]If athleticism was everything then Garnett would be a Better PF than Duncan he is way more athletic than Duncan, way More.[/B]

[quote=Sir Charles][B]:roll: i can`t stand this sh-it anymore...people overrated athleticism too much.[/B] :rolleyes:

[B]If athleticism was everything then Garnett would be a Better PF than Duncan he is way more athletic than Duncan, way More.[/B][/quote]
Garnett is a stick...You cannot tell me Garnett is stronger than Tim Duncan. Duncan is not only physically stronger, but he is also has had superior coaching throughout his career. Don't start an argument about Duncan being that much superior to Garnett because he isn't.

Besides Garnett is 6'11'' and Timmy D is 7'0'' are big men not 6'9'' SF's.