[QUOTE=Andrei89]Howard could also score 100 points playing against mostly scrubs. And average 50 points per game as a C.
WILT most overrated center of all time[/QUOTE]
Dwight Howard couldn't average 50 in the D League. He's not that kind of scorer
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[QUOTE=Andrei89]Howard could also score 100 points playing against mostly scrubs. And average 50 points per game as a C.
WILT most overrated center of all time[/QUOTE]
Dwight Howard couldn't average 50 in the D League. He's not that kind of scorer
50 ppg in a season.
100 points in a game.
Crazy rebounding numbers.
Eye witness accounts of huge block numbers.
This dude is a top player ever no matter what.
NOBODY else at the time played like this, and nobody since.
I dont get why people get so mad about it.
[QUOTE=jlauber][url]http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/wilt-chamberlain-vs-kareem-abdul-jabbar-game-game-stats-1401716/[/url]
19.Date: Fri 04/14/72
- Chamberlain 7 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, 10 blocks, 1-3 FG/FGA – [B]6 blocks against Jabbar [/B]W
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 21 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 15-37 FG/FGA L
21.Date: Tue 04/18/72
- Chamberlain 12 pts, 26 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 2-3 FG/FGA - [B]4 blocks against Jabbar[/B] W
-Abdul-Jabbar 28 pts, 16 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 13-33 FG/FGA L
22.Date: Sat 04/22/72
- Chamberlain 20 pts, 24 rebs, 2 as, [B]9 blocks[/B], 8-12 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 25 rebs, 8 as, * blocks, 16-37 FG/FGA L
Now, according to Cherry, on page 264, in that sixth game (4/22), Wilt did have nine blocks, FIVE of them on Kareem.
So, just in those three games, Wilt blocked 15 of Kareem's shots. And, once again, Kareem took close to another 100 shots in the other three games of that series.
As for Cherry being "Wilt's biographer"...he wrote his book five years AFTER Chamberlain died.
And I didn't even take the time to go thru Rosen's book on the '72 Lakers, either, but he documented all the games of that series, and I believe he came up with a higher number.
So, now YOU prove that Chamberlain did NOT block 15 of Kareem's sky-hooks in that series. If anything, it was probably more than 20.[/QUOTE]
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Dick, you said that Wilt blocked 15 of Kareem's skyhooks in that series. You even went as far as saying he blocked close to 20 skyhooks in that series. And as always you own yourself..
First of all, is that supposed to be a site anyone can trust? What is this cr4p site to start with, how can we know the facts on it is valid? Where is it from?
And if the stats are completely true then you completely owned yourself. You claimed that Wilt blocked 15-20 skyhooks in the '72 series.
In game 1 blocks weren't counted.
In game 2 blocks weren't counted.
Game 3 that site says that Kareem got blocked 6 times, nothing about skyhooks, Kareem wasn't just shooting skyhooks, you dick.
Game 4 it says that Wilt had 3 blocks, it doesn't say who he blocked..
Game 5 that site says he blocked Kareem 4 times.
And in game 6 it says that Wilt blocked 9 shots, it doesn't even say who he blocked, you idiot.
Haha, so your proof told us that Wilt blocked 10 times (nothing about skyhooks) in the series.
Haha, from blocking 15-20 skyhooks to this.. You suck..[/B]
[QUOTE=millwad][B]
Dick, you said that Wilt blocked 15 of Kareem's skyhooks in that series. You even went as far as saying he blocked close to 20 skyhooks in that series. And as always you own yourself..
First of all, is that supposed to be a site anyone can trust? What is this cr4p site to start with, how can we know the facts on it is valid? Where is it from?
And if the stats are completely true then you completely owned yourself. You claimed that Wilt blocked 15-20 skyhooks in the '72 series.
In game 1 blocks weren't counted.
In game 2 blocks weren't counted.
Game 3 that site says that Kareem got blocked 6 times, nothing about skyhooks, Kareem wasn't just shooting skyhooks, you dick.
Game 4 it says that Wilt had 3 blocks, it doesn't say on which player..
Game 5 that site says he blocked Kareem 4 times.
And in game 6 it says that Wilt blocked 9 shots, it doesn't even say who he blocked, you idiot.
Haha, so your proof told us that Wilt blocked 10 times (nothing about skyhooks) in the series.
Haha, from blocking 15-20 skyhooks to this.. You suck..[/B][/QUOTE]
Once again Dickwad...I have supplied you with FIFTEEN blocks in THREE of their SIX H2H games in the '72 WCF's.
As for that source, go ahead and DISPROVE any of it. BTW, BOTH Rosen's and Cherry's books confirm those blocks.
I also provided you with another take of 20 blocks in TWO of those games, and ELEVEN of them against KAREEM.
And yet another source that claimed that Wilt blocked TWENTY-THREE SKYHOOKS in that series.
Where is YOUR PROOF to the CONTRARY?
I'll be waiting...
[QUOTE=jlauber]Once again Dickwad...I have supplied you with FIFTEEN blocks in THREE of their SIX H2H games in the '72 WCF's.
As for that source, go ahead and DISPROVE any of it. BTW, BOTH Rosen's and Cherry's books confirm those blocks.
I also provided you with another take of 20 blocks in TWO of those games, and ELEVEN of them against KAREEM.
And yet another source that claimed that Wilt blocked TWENTY-THREE SKYHOOKS in that series.
Where is YOUR PROOF to the CONTRARY?
I'll be waiting...[/QUOTE]
Haha, your proof told us that Kareem got blocked 10 times in 3 games, it didn't say who Wilt blocked in game 4 and 6. And it didn't say [B]ANYTHING about skyhooks[/B] so finally this nonsense is completely cleared... THANK GOD..
You owned yourself..:facepalm
I got a different view on that Bucks series, myself. The H2H numbers are interesting and all but they have to be placed in context of the team.
Kareem was awesome, all right. Incredible post moves on offense, and pretty darn good defense considering who he was facing.
But.
Look who was on the court around them.
Kareem had
Wali Jones
Lucius Allen
John Block
Bob Dandridge
Bill Dinwiddie
Jon McGlocklin
Barry Nelson
Curtis Perry
Oscar Robertson
The only guy in the conversation with Oscar Robertson for "making players around him better" is Magic Johnson.
Wilt had
Keith Erickson
Gail Goodrich
Happy Hairston
Willie McCarter
Jim McMillian
Pat Riley
Rick Roberson
John Tresvant
West & Baylor both drew DNP.
Chamberlain & Goodrich were swarmed that entire series. Erickson? That guy would stand unguarded at the block and hit the bottom of the rim.
Chamberlain played that series strictly for honor. Like some ancient warrior monk standing alone in the mountain pass looking down at the enemy's army.
And the Milwaukee arena gave him a standing ovation for it.
There was no hope in LA. Just like there was no hope in Philly when Chamberlain was playing as a Warrior against the most stacked team in the history of basketball.
[QUOTE=millwad]Haha, your proof told us that Kareem got blocked 10 times in 3 games, it didn't say who Wilt blocked in game 4 and 6. And it didn't say [B]ANYTHING about skyhooks[/B] so finally this nonsense is completely cleared... THANK GOD..
You owned yourself..:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Once again...ZERO research...as I fully expected. Because you have NONE. In fact, all you ever bring to the table are LIES.
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]I got a different view on that Bucks series, myself. The H2H numbers are interesting and all but they have to be placed in context of the team.
Kareem was awesome, all right. Incredible post moves on offense, and pretty darn good defense considering who he was facing.
But.
Look who was on the court around them.
Kareem had
Wali Jones
Lucius Allen
John Block
Bob Dandridge
Bill Dinwiddie
Jon McGlocklin
Barry Nelson
Curtis Perry
Oscar Robertson
The only guy in the conversation with Oscar Robertson for "making players around him better" is Magic Johnson.
Wilt had
Keith Erickson
Gail Goodrich
Happy Hairston
Willie McCarter
Jim McMillian
Pat Riley
Rick Roberson
John Tresvant
West & Baylor both drew DNP.
Chamberlain & Goodrich were swarmed that entire series. Erickson? That guy would stand unguarded at the block and hit the bottom of the rim.
Chamberlain played that series strictly for honor. Like some ancient warrior monk standing alone in the mountain pass looking down at the enemy's army.
[B]And the Milwaukee arena gave him a standing ovation for it[/B].
There was no hope in LA. Just like there was no hope in Philly when Chamberlain was playing as a Warrior against the most stacked team in the history of basketball.[/QUOTE]
This was from the '71 series, when a well-past his prime Wilt battled a statistically PRIME Kareem to a statistical draw...point-for-point, shot-for-shot, and rebound-for-rebound. A Wilt in arguably his WORST season, and only a year removed from major knee surgery. And yes, the MILWAUKEE fans gave WILT a STANDING OVATION for his efforts.
Those that actually WITNESSED the '72 WCFs, to a MAN, claimed that a 35 year old Wilt OUTPLAYED a PRIME Kareem in his BEST season. Time Magazine hailed it as a DECISIVE win for the 11 year older Chamberlain.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Once again...ZERO research...as I fully expected. Because you have NONE. In fact, all you ever bring to the table are LIES.[/QUOTE]
Haha, you tried to give proof of your research and your so called research didn't prove your stupid claims.. I clearly accepted the site you put up and went after the numbers the box scores told and you got owned by your own source. Neither does it say anything about skyhooks and it only says that Kareem got blocked 10 times so give me proof of Kareem getting 15-20 skyhooks blocked by Kareem in that series or just shut up..
IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU CLAIMED:..:roll:
[QUOTE=millwad]Haha, you tried to give proof of your research and your so called research didn't prove your stupid claims.. I clearly accepted the site you put up and went after the numbers the box scores told and you got owned by your own source. Neither does it say anything about skyhooks and it only says that Kareem got blocked 10 times so give me proof of Kareem getting 15-20 skyhooks blocked by Kareem in that series or just shut up..
IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU CLAIMED:..:roll:[/QUOTE]
Oh yes it did. Wilt had those TEN blocks on Kareem in TWO games, and Cherry and Rosen confirmed that he had FIVE of the NINE blocks in that sixth game on KAREEM. That is CLEARLY 15. And, I provided TWO more sources that claimed that Wilt blocked 11 of Kareem's skyhooks in TWO games, and the other claimed that Wilt blocked[B] 23 [/B]of them in that series.
Where are YOUR sources?
And yet, YOU have provided absolutely NOTHING to refute them. Just like your Barkley NOT outrebounding Hakeem; nor your claim that even you now admit, that Hakeem was NOT guarding Kareem when Kareem was scoring at WILL against him. Nor YOUR claim that Kareem outplayed Wilt in the WCF's. Or that Wilt was not double-teamed as often as Hakeem (which is pure bulls**t BTW.)
No research at all. You continually lie, and NEVER back them up.
YOU have ZERO creditability.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Oh yes it did. Wilt had those TEN blocks on Kareem in TWO games, and Cherry and Rosen confirmed that he had FIVE of the NINE blocks in that sixth game on KAREEM. That is CLEARLY 15. And, I provided TWO more sources that claimed that Wilt blocked 11 of Kareem's skyhooks in TWO games, and the other claimed that Wilt blocked[B] 23 [/B]of them in that series. [/QUOTE]
It still didn't say ANYTHING about skyhooks, you freaking retarded. And you saying that Rosen Cherry confirming the 5 of 9 blocks is not enough, give me proof of that. And even when you do, you still have no case because you claimed it was 15-20 skyhooks which it obviously wasn't. YOU ARE SO OWNED.
[QUOTE=jlauber]
Where are YOUR sources?
[/QUOTE]
You gave me my source, your own source told me that Kareem got blocked 10 times in that series and it didn't say anything about skyhooks. Thanks for crushing your own BS!
[I][B]And regarding lying, you are the same clown who made up 3 players as Wilt's TALL competitors during his career when those never even stepped on the same basketball court as Wilt Chamberlain. And regarding lying, you made up the nonsense about Wilt blocking 15 skyhooks in the series.. HAHA![/B][/I]
[QUOTE=millwad]It still didn't say ANYTHING about skyhooks, you freaking retarded.[B] And you saying that Rosen Cherry confirming the 5 of 9 blocks is not enough, give me proof of that[/B]. And even when you do, you still have no case because you claimed it was 15-20 skyhooks which it obviously wasn't. YOU ARE SO OWNED.
You gave me my source, your own source told me that Kareem got blocked 10 times in that series and it didn't say anything about skyhooks. Thanks for crushing your own BS![/QUOTE]
Read page 264 of Cherry's book you idiot.
And once again, where are YOUR sources???
15 blocks in THREE games out of the SIX that were played is all I need to know. Kareem took some 100 more shots in the other three games, and given the fact that Wilt blocked 15 in the KNOWN three, I am convinced UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE, that he blocked 15+ skyhooks (and probably over 20.)
yes, from '71.
As far as that '72 Lakers team, imo the only teams that could give them a real series were the '67 Sixers, the un-injured '68 Sixers, the 87 Celtics, early Showtime Laker squads, the Rodman era Bulls teams, & the Shaq Lakers. Can't say about those early Celtics teams, that's before my time.
I can't add Hakeem's championship teams because I don't think they had enough great players to match that '72 team.
The '83 Sixers maybe. The only centers I can remember Chamberlain applauding after he retired were Moses Malone, Kareem, Olajuwan and Shaq.
Maybe the Walton Blazers, but given Walton's absolute awe of Chamberlain I'm not sure he would have done anything but get all sag-kneed being on the same court.
My greatest fantasy matchup for center led teams?
'72 Lakers vs. '02 Lakers
[I]Mushroom cloud over Staples!! [/I]
I can easily believe Wilt got some really high Block totals.
I remember Kareem getting 7-10+ Blocks in a whole lot of games in the early 70's and I have Zero doubt Wilt was significantly better at blocking shots in comparison to him especially in his Young and Prime years.
I saw the clip of old Wilt blocking his Sky Hook and I was frankly amazed at the Vertical he had (at that age).
Very impressive to get up that high especially with all that muscle he was carrying around.
[QUOTE=jlauber]Read page 264 of Cherry's book you idiot.[/QUOTE]
I don't need to read Wilt's own biographers book to know that you are lying. I wanted proof of Wilt blocking 15-20 skyhooks in that series and you gave me a source which proved that you lied...:facepalm