Great NBA basketball player footwork videos

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]the pivot foot was never "switched." The pivot was already established and does not turn into a travel until it hits the floor. That is the rule. It has nothing to do with the other foot touching the ground.



here is the part of the nba rule book that says it.[/QUOTE]


By your logic Kobe could have stayed on his right leg (like in the picture below) without jumping but as long as his pivot foot (left foot) was not touching or coming back to the ground it wouldnt be a travel

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[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]By your logic Kobe could have stayed on his right leg (like in the picture below) without jumping but as long as his pivot foot (left foot) was not touching or coming back to the ground it wouldnt be a travel

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technically you can until the ball becomes dead for some other reason. It is a common misconception among people but it is the rule. I have been to tons of camps and gone through tons of drills and talked to both refs and coaches about it. I used to take my post game very seriously.

I have never seen it done, but again that is the rule.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME][B]technically you can [/B]until the ball becomes dead for some other reason. It is a common misconception among people but it is the rule. I have been to tons of camps and gone through tons of drills and talked to both refs and coaches about it. I used to take my post game very seriously.

I have never seen it done, but again that is the rule.[/QUOTE]

:lol dude are you serious? this is the same as switching your pivot foot. How can your pivot foot be in the air while you are standing straight on your non-pivot foot? just think about it

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]you're such an hypocrite. You were the same guy calling me out on not knowing the rules and not playing basketball when i told you its a travel.[/QUOTE]

I didn't call him out because I actually respect his opinion. I had a difficult time understanding what you were implying. Oldschoolbball actually knows what he's talking about, and worded what you might have been trying to say better.

Regardless, it's close, and I still don't think it's a travel. In real game-time it looks as though he got both feet off, just like in the gif.

Loki is quick to point out that Kobe's was a travel, but I bet he won't admit that this Jordan one (where he clearly slides/moves/lifts his pivot foot) is one. :lol

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[QUOTE=Doranku]Loki is quick to point out that Kobe's was a travel, but I bet he won't admit that this Jordan one (where he clearly slides/moves/lifts his pivot foot) is one. :lol

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You would have a point if his left foot was the pivot foot.

It's his right foot that is the pivot foot.

It does move a tad, but like I said ... the ability to notice these in real time is so slim. That's why I don't think the Kobe move is a blatant travel, either.

When he takes those hop steps while dribbling, while backing someone down ... no pivot foot has been established until he plants on one and rotates.

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This is GOAT footwork....

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finally someone understands the rule:

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it is a step through and is most commmonly used in the women's game. I used to think it was weird too. For ball(in high school and college) I always watched the girls games. It bothered me so I would talk to the refs, I would talk to people at five star and eastern invitational and at college. This is the rule, it is just misapplied sometimes on the lower level. It looks weird but it is not a travel. WNBA players do it all the time. Some college guys do it too. In the NBA I remember Steve Smith doing it, Kobe and others. Obviously not like in the movie but after a live dribble.

Wish people would stop posting LeBron clips in this thread. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]You would have a point if his left foot was the pivot foot.

It's his right foot that is the pivot foot.

It does move a tad, but like I said ... the ability to notice these in real time is so slim. That's why I don't think the Kobe move is a blatant travel, either.

When he takes those hop steps while dribbling, while backing someone down ... no pivot foot has been established until he plants on one and rotates.

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For sure it would be really hard to tell real time, but Loki is over there going, "It's CLEARLY a travel!!!" and what not.

If you look at his pivot foot, when he establishes it, it's outside of the paint/on the edge. When he takes off for the lay up, it's slid/moved to clearly inside the paint on the white stripe.

[QUOTE=catch24]Thank you Phong. As I said, not a travel.[/QUOTE]

its a travel he picks up his pivot foot before he jumps, aka takes another step after his pivot is established

THE PIVOT FOOT CANNOT LEAVE THE FLOOR FIRST, PEOPLE. Think about it this way: imagine a player declares his left foot his pivot, then pivots around for a few seconds looking to pass it off as the defender hounds him, and then takes a step with his right foot, picks up his left foot, then jumps off his right foot to pass it off. Clearly a travel, yet it's exactly what happened in the Kobe clip. The fact that the pivot foot leaves the ground first and the non-pivot foot is on the ground constitutes an extra step, and you're not allowed "2 steps" unless you're in a layup motion off a drive, not once you've established a stationary pivot foot.

IGOTGAME, I'm not betting anything, but if you show that to any college coach they'll tell you it's a travel.

Doranku, yes, MJ did slide his pivot foot and hence it's a travel. Very hard to tell in real time just like Kobe's is, but a travel nonetheless. I only brought up Kobe's because there was a multi-page debate about it. Kobe's is also more easily noticeable than MJ's was. One is a slight slide of the pivot foot and the other is an extra step and the pivot foot actually coming off the ground first.

LOL. Kobe doing that stuff at [B]19[/B]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxy7np0dH5Q[/url]

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Doranku, yes, MJ did slide his pivot foot and hence it's a travel. Very hard to tell in real time just like Kobe's is, but a travel nonetheless. I only brought up Kobe's because there was a multi-page debate about it. Kobe's is also more easily noticeable than MJ's was. One is a slight slide of the pivot foot and the other is an extra step and the pivot foot actually coming off the ground first.[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

Personally, I always thought Kobe's was a pretty obvious travel, but the way people were arguing it on here made me question my stance a little bit. I was always under the impression that what you're saying is correct, that your pivot foot can't be the first foot to come off the floor.

Interesting that so many people are arguing the counter claim, though.