[QUOTE=DMAVS41]This is simply not true. Kobe is defended much differently than Lebron. Are you serious?[/QUOTE]
How is Kobe defended any differently than LeBron 1-on-1?
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[QUOTE=DMAVS41]This is simply not true. Kobe is defended much differently than Lebron. Are you serious?[/QUOTE]
How is Kobe defended any differently than LeBron 1-on-1?
[QUOTE=Indian guy]How is Kobe defended any differently than LeBron 1-on-1?[/QUOTE]
Kobe is double teamed more often and he faces his double teams farther out then Lebron. Also Lebron is always given more space
[QUOTE=Indian guy]How is Kobe defended any differently than LeBron 1-on-1?[/QUOTE]
1 on 1? Well, it depends.
If its on the wing post? Defenders would rather have Lebron shoot than drive....while they would rather have Kobe drive than shoot.
Just making a move off the dribble one on one? Yea, they actually started to get defended more similarly because Lebron lost a little.
However, Lebron never consistently beat guys off the dribble. It was always on a pick and roll set or in transition or a secondary break.
You go way too far about Lebron's lack of athleticism now and give Kobe way too much credit.
Trust me, the last thing any coach wants to see is Kobe getting open jumpers now. They want him driving to the basket and finishing. With Lebron? Yes, its changed a little, but teams still would rather see him shooting than attacking.
That is the difference.
[QUOTE=N0Skillz]Kobe is double teamed more often and he faces his double teams farther out then Lebron. Also Lebron is always given more space[/QUOTE]
No, both are doubled alot....But LeBron's defender's tend to give him more space to force a jumper and try and stop the drive, while Kobe is defended close so he doesn't get hot from the perimeter....Not sure what Indian Kid is talking about..
[QUOTE=Indian guy]
There you go! Finally got you to the point where you no longer used blah blah blah[/quote]
What? I still think Kobe is easily a better shooter based on their shooting [I]from all aspects of the floor[/I].
The reason I brought up mileage is because you were talking about how LeBron can't break down defenses better than Kobe from the half court - and you based it off athleticism. So, again... do you concede current LeBron has the same mileage as 32-year-old Kobe? Please respond accordingly.
[QUOTE=catch24]What? I still think Kobe is easily a better shooter based on their shooting [I]from all aspects of the floor[/I].[/quote]
:facepalm
Your entire argument for Kobe>>>LeBron is based on FT%, so basically, if 2 players are equivalent shooters outside of 10+ feet, but 1 of them has a higher FT%, then he easily becomes a better shooter according to your messed up logic. In other words, Kobe is easily a better shooter than '98 MJ and '03 T-Mac. Problem is, you don't believe any of this, but have to maintain the stupid front to hold on to your dire Kobe>>>LeBron agenda. So let's just move on already....
[quote]The reason I brought up mileage is because you were talking about how LeBron can't break down defenses better than Kobe from the half court - and you based it off athleticism. So, again... do you concede current LeBron has the same mileage as 32-year-old Kobe? Please respond accordingly.[/QUOTE]
What the....? Again with the mileage?!? Didn't I clearly state in my previous post that LeBron's athletic regression has to do with his extreme weight gain? It's true, his body has gone through more than any 26 year old's in NBA history, but considering he seemed great as ever even as recently as last season, it just doesn't make sense for him to lose so much within one offseason. So I'm blaming his humongous size for the regression. The man just got too big.
Indian Guy is completely delusional:oldlol:
Kobe's ability to make pull-up jumpers makes him[B] INFINTELY [/B]more difficult to guard
LeBron needs screens and time to set up his shot.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]
What the....? Again with the mileage?!? Didn't I clearly state in my previous post that LeBron's athletic regression has to do with his extreme weight gain? It's true, his body has gone through more than any 26 year old's in NBA history, but considering he seemed great as ever even as recently as last season, it just doesn't make sense for him to lose so much within one offseason. So I'm blaming his humongous size for the regression. The man just got too big.[/QUOTE]
Now his weight gain is extreme? :roll:
this thread needs to be bookmarked so we can recount how much of an idiot indian guy is.......well i think most of us already knew but when you have GINOBBLI defending kobe..........then you know youre in the wrong :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Indian guy]:facepalm
Your entire argument for Kobe>>>LeBron is based on FT%, so basically, if 2 players are equivalent shooters outside of 10+ feet, but 1 of them has a higher FT%, then he easily becomes a better shooter according to your messed up logic. In other words, Kobe is easily a better shooter than '98 MJ and '03 T-Mac. Problem is, you don't believe any of this, but have to maintain the stupid front to hold on to your dire Kobe>>>LeBron agenda. So let's just move on already....
What the....? Again with the mileage?!? Didn't I clearly state in my previous post that LeBron's athletic regression has to do with his extreme weight gain? It's true, his body has gone through more than any 26 year old's in NBA history, but considering he seemed great as ever even as recently as last season, it just doesn't make sense for him to lose so much within one offseason. So I'm blaming his humongous size for the regression. The man just got too big.[/QUOTE]
Most of this is true.
And I might be missing the point of the debate, but the reason Lebron's shooting percentages are similar to Kobe's is that he's given more space to shoot. He's defended differently. You keep acting like ft shooting isn't important....it is. Its hardly the end all be all, but Kobe does shoot 7% better than Lebron at the stripe (last year). That matters. The one area where they face the same defense (no defense), Kobe was significantly better than Lebron.
If Kobe was defended more like Lebron, he'd have even better shooting percentages.
This isn't Kobe vs Lebron...right? Its about who the better shooter is....all things being equal.
I really don't see how Lebron is equal to Kobe as a shooter.
this is where stats just become silly to look at. Is Kobe not famous for his 30+ footers on a consistent basis? Has he not given the game some of the greatest scoring and in particular shooting performances of all time? Does he not hold the record for nine consecutive 3's in a reg. season game (that is 9 in a frikkin row without missing in one game!!)
Stats this stats that hurr durrrr....
Kobe is a better shooter. Period.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]:facepalm
Your entire argument for Kobe>>>LeBron is based on FT%, so basically, if 2 players are equivalent shooters outside of 10+ feet, but 1 of them has a higher FT%, then he easily becomes a better shooter according to your messed up logic. In other words, Kobe is easily a better shooter than '98 MJ and '03 T-Mac. Problem is, you don't believe any of this, but have to maintain the stupid front to hold on to your dire Kobe>>>LeBron agenda. So let's just move on already....[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Re-read the thread. Given how they're defended while everything else evens out, FT shooting is the deciding factor, and Kobe wins... with ease.
And no, don't put words in my mouth. You and I don't know what '98 MJ and T-Mac shot from the perimeter (both mid and long range) so they're irrelevant. Whether you watched them consistently or not, you just can't say with certainty they were equal or better shooters.
[quote]What the....? Again with the mileage?!? Didn't I clearly state in my previous post that LeBron's athletic regression has to do with his extreme weight gain? It's true, his body has gone through more than any 26 year old's in NBA history, but considering he seemed great as ever even as recently as last season, it just doesn't make sense for him to lose so much within one offseason. So I'm blaming his humongous size for the regression. The man just got too big.[/QUOTE]
Right, but my point is Kobe's MILEAGE is more extensive. Do you deny this? Yes or no?
[QUOTE=catch24]
And no, don't put words in my mouth. You and I don't know what '98 MJ and T-Mac shot from the perimeter (both mid and long range) so they're irrelevant.[/quote]
The fact that you're not even willing to touch a hypothetical scenario is all I need to know. You're well aware of how foolish your FT%-fixation looks, and deeming Kobe [i]easily[/i] >>>> MJ/T-Mac based on it would look awful, thus your refusal to get into this comparison.
[quote]Right, but my point is Kobe's MILEAGE is more extensive.[/quote]
Why is this relevant? Who cares what Kobe's mileage is? It has nothing to do with LeBron's regression and his current ability to break his man down being no better than Kobe's.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]The fact that you're not even willing to touch a hypothetical scenario is all I need to know. You're well aware of how foolish your FT%-fixation looks, and deeming Kobe [i]easily[/i] >>>> MJ/T-Mac based on it would look awful, thus your refusal to get into this comparison.[/QUOTE]
The fact you latch onto a hypothetical scenario shows how deluded you are.
But yeah, lets use guys we have no data for to debate. Makes total sense...
[quote]Why is this relevant? Who cares what Kobe's mileage is? It has nothing to do with LeBron's regression and his current ability to break his man down being no better than Kobe's.[/QUOTE]
Answer the question.
He looked very slow and looks like he struggled to get off the floor.