Any Jordan > Kobe today.... except maybe the Wizards one
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Any Jordan > Kobe today.... except maybe the Wizards one
To quote AlphaWolf, stats don't matter, Kevin Love is greater than Hakeem because he says so:lol
[QUOTE=bwink23]You know Kobetards are whipped when they feel it necessary to prop Kobe up over a 40-year old Jordan who physically couldn't defend himself....:facepalm[/QUOTE]
That's like me saying I'm better than Jerry West because I'm in my 30s and I'm sure I can beat a 70 year old ass West:facepalm
MJ is was a better athlete. Straight up fact. Mj, even in 2nd 3peat era, was more of a no nonsense player than Kobe. Kobe strings more moves together on individual plays and has more range. MJ was a really quick striker, a little different than Kobe.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Jjl9_ZDY4[/url]
One of the best highlights I've seen. He is just too clean, it's too easy. Look at how fast MJ still was, especially on those plays where he is driving. Just a supreme athlete. Possibly GOAT athlete.
[QUOTE=lefthook00]MJ is was a better athlete. Straight up fact. Mj, even in 2nd 3peat era, was more of a no nonsense player than Kobe. Kobe strings more moves together on individual plays and has more range. MJ was a really quick striker, a little different than Kobe.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Jjl9_ZDY4[/url]
One of the best highlights I've seen. He is just too clean, it's too easy. Look at how fast MJ still was, especially on those plays where he is driving. Just a supreme athlete. Possibly GOAT athlete.[/QUOTE]
One overlooked aspect, but highly critical was mj's faster decision making and reaction capabilities. Combine that with mj's superior peripheral vision and higher IQ and it became a nightmare trying to stop him, more so than kobe. So even in mj's later years when his athleticism had faded, he was causing tons of problems to his defenders, yes even in his wizard years.
[QUOTE=andgar923]One overlooked aspect, but highly critical was mj's faster decision making and reaction capabilities. Combine that with mj's superior peripheral vision and higher IQ and it became a nightmare trying to stop him, more so than kobe. So even in mj's later years when his athleticism had faded, he was causing tons of problems to his defenders, yes even [B]in his wizard years[/B].[/QUOTE]
He was an MVP runner before injury.
[IMG]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/502/wizardjordan.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=rodman91]He was an MVP runner before injury.
[IMG]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/502/wizardjordan.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Not to get into a whole debate over who was better Wiz MJ or any Kobe version, but my post was meant to illustrate my point. We saw that even an unathletic MJ (for his standards) he could still give defense nightmares due to his higher IQ, faster reading and reacting time. He simply made it harder for the defense to adjust, more so than Kobe ever has.
[QUOTE=rodman91]He was an MVP runner before injury.
[IMG]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/502/wizardjordan.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Jordan's biggest issues as a Wizard was he physically couldn't perform well every night. Much of that from injury and age. When you body isn't right, your shots not right....
If you eliminate all these absurdly horrible Jordan games...he was 23.9ppg on 47%FG in 75% of the games he played in.
NOT BAD considering he was playing during an era where 43-44% FG was average.
[QUOTE=rodman91]He was an MVP runner before injury.
[IMG]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/502/wizardjordan.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
We can also consider the fact the Jordan has SEVERAL first quarters where he went off for 18-24 points...
It makes sense that he couldn't sustain it due to physical limitations...
[QUOTE=bwink23]We can also consider the fact the Jordan has SEVERAL first quarters where he went off for 18-24 points...
It makes sense that he couldn't sustain it due to physical limitations...[/QUOTE]
What most don't understand is that MJ's efficiency wasn't low because he couldn't play, it was low because his body couldn't maintain it.
He was carrying a ton of load, he was supposed to come off the bench and play limited minutes. But as injuries and bad play piled on, he was forced to carry the entire team on both ends. He'd play great the first half, but had his efficiency drop during the second. And if one looks it up, EVERY player has a drop off in the second half, and the stats actually show that players normally have good 1st and 3rd quarters, but their stats/efficiency drop in the 2nd and 4th. And to add to this, his performance in back to back games was poor... again, due to his body not being able to handle the pressure. But in games in which he had a few days rest, he was playing like one of the best 5 players in the league and an MVP candidate.
I laugh at the notion that he couldn't play or that this generation would kill MJ.
Not really a Kobe fan, but he may be better than 96-98 Jordan in his prime. Anyway, i can understand the argument from Jordan because they are close in this argument anyway.
[QUOTE=pauk]Any Jordan > Kobe today.... except [B]maybe[/B] the Wizards one[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=andgar923]One overlooked aspect, but highly critical was mj's faster decision making and reaction capabilities. Combine that with mj's superior peripheral vision and higher IQ and it became a nightmare trying to stop him, more so than kobe. So even in mj's later years when his athleticism had faded, he was causing tons of problems to his defenders, yes even in his wizard years.[/QUOTE]
Yup, and that's what's missing in Lebron and Kobe's game which causes them to shit the bed against the better defenses in the playoffs/finals. Both guys don't make quick decisions when they get the ball, there's a lot of dribbling and standing around and that gives defenses the chance to double, trap them, etc. Jordan on the other hand never let the D pigeonhole him. Like in the video Lefthook posted, MJ was always one step ahead. Whenever they would throw a double at him, he'd always put himself in a position where he could beat it or more likely avoid it. If they throw a double at him in the low post, he'd spin baseline to avoid the help. If he saw the double coming while he was at the top of the key, he'd pull a dribble move to avoid it before it was set (Dwade is great at this particular aspect, Bron and Kobe are terrible at reading help D).
Lebron usually makes up for his lack of quick decision making and play reading ability with his ridiculous court vision, so he can always find the open man. Kobe on the other hand usually decides to just chuck regardless of how ill-conceived it is, but he has gotten a lot better in the last 4 years or so in that regard. But neither guy even comes remotely close to Jordan.
jordan played in a less defense, more running and man to man vs addition of zone era. Easier to react.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]jordan played in a less defense, more running and man to man vs addition of zone era. Easier to react.[/QUOTE]
Tim Grover said Jordan is physically and mentally the best he's ever seen...and he's trained Jordan, Kobe and Lebron...:facepalm