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[QUOTE=bwink23]You are in no place to judge these players....your own mom probably wasn't even born yet....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Is that so, Brian?
If you think that guys like Jlauber actually saw these players play you are completely wrong, Jlauber himself changed his mind regarding Wilt and his era over some youtube-footage and quotes more then 40 years after the games were played.
[QUOTE=millwad]Is that so, Brian?
If you think that guys like Jlauber actually saw these players play you are completely wrong, Jlauber himself changed his mind regarding Wilt and his era over some youtube-footage and quotes more then 40 years after the games were played.[/QUOTE]
DOESN'T MATTER......your making statements on judging players abilities of which you don't know what 90% of them even look like....:sleeping
[QUOTE=bwink23]DOESN'T MATTER......your making statements on judging players abilities of which you don't know what 90% of them even look like....:sleeping[/QUOTE]
It sure as hell matters, you seem to be butthurt since you only called me out in this thread which is funny when we're talking about players who played 50 years ago.
You must be naive if you actually think that anyone in this thread saw those guys play. Even the self-proclaimed Wilt historian Jlauber copies and pastes all his posts and changed his mind over youtube and quotes..
You actually think that he saw all those players play a la Reggie Harding, Vic Bartolome and Hank Finkel etc?:facepalm
He got his list from basketball-reference and google, go and ask him and everyone lese in this thread about their abilities..:facepalm
[QUOTE=millwad]It sure as hell matters, you seem to be butthurt since you only called me out in this thread which is funny when we're talking about players who played 50 years ago.
You must be naive if you actually think that anyone in this thread saw those guys play. Even the self-proclaimed Wilt historian Jlauber copies and pastes all his posts and changed his mind over youtube and quotes..
You actually think that he saw all those players play a la Reggie Harding, Vic Bartolome and Hank Finkel etc?:facepalm
He got his list from basketball-reference and google, go and ask him and everyone lese in this thread about their abilities..:facepalm[/QUOTE]
You don't seem to get it, so i'm gonna explain it to you....in your post you said you "fixed"....you made direct comments about players in such a way that implied that you knew who they were, and what their abilities was like. That's ridiculous. Calling a player you've never seen before "mediocre" is stupid considering you've never watched them play. Your idiotic post has nothing to do with anyone else but yourself....:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=bwink23]You don't seem to get it, so i'm gonna explain it to you....in your post you said you "fixed"....you made direct comments about players in such a way that implied that you knew who they were, and what their abilities was like. That's ridiculous. Calling a player you've never seen before "mediocre" is stupid considering you've never watched them play. Your idiotic post has nothing to do with anyone else but yourself....:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
First of all, Brian, we know it's you.
I know you're butthurt and all but this is just pathetic..
And 2nd, you can get a hint of a players skillset and abilities through stats and I didn't write that I was some kind of expert but it's easy to tell if someone's mediocre or garbage and that was the only thing I did.
Do you need a 5 page analyze of players who played 60 games in their NBA career? A scrub is a scrub. Or players who never made any all-NBA team or weren't even close and who had short statistical peaks where they didn't excel in anything? A player like that is mediocre no matter what. Go find something controversial with my previous post, Brian..
Clown..:facepalm
[QUOTE=millwad]First of all, Brian, we know it's you.
I know you're butthurt and all but this is just pathetic..
And 2nd, you can get a hint of a players skillset and abilities through stats and I didn't write that I was some kind of expert but it's easy to tell if someone's mediocre or garbage and that was the only thing I did.
Do you need a 5 page analyze of players who played 60 games in their NBA career? A scrub is a scrub. Or players who never made any all-NBA team or weren't even close and who had short statistical peaks where they didn't excel in anything? A player like that is mediocre no matter what. Go find something controversial with my previous post, Brian..
Clown..:facepalm[/QUOTE]
First of all, i'm not this Brian dude you keep referring too....Second, you know you didn't research shit about any of those guys......:no:
[QUOTE=millwad]First of all, Brian, we know it's you.
I know you're butthurt and all but this is just pathetic..
And 2nd, you can get a hint of a players skillset and abilities through stats and I didn't write that I was some kind of expert but it's easy to tell if someone's mediocre or garbage and that was the only thing I did.
Do you need a 5 page analyze of players who played 60 games in their NBA career? A scrub is a scrub. Or players who never made any all-NBA team or weren't even close and who had short statistical peaks where they didn't excel in anything? A player like that is mediocre no matter what. Go find something controversial with my previous post, Brian..
Clown..:facepalm[/QUOTE]
By the way, nice bandwagon avatar Dillwad. Fall in line with the rest of the posers. :lol
[QUOTE=millwad]Fixed, at least this time you didn't mention players who never faced Wilt like the last time when you mentioned ABA-players and college players etc., haha.. :facepalm
Still, Wilt in his stats prime barely faced anyone tall and skilled..
Wilt in his 50 point per game season only faced Walter Dukes and Swede who were 7'0 or taller if I recall correctly which is very interesting. NBA with a total amount of three players who were 7'0 or taller..[/QUOTE]
First of all, the idiotic OP claimed that Wilt faced two players who were 7-0 in his CAREER. I just listed 14 seven-footers that played in the Chamberlain-era, and another 13 who would be listed at 7-0 in TODAY's game...or TWENTY-SEVEN of them.
Secondly, in Wilt's "scoring" prime, he not only was scoring 50-60-70 points against 7-0 Reggie Harding, 7-3 Swede Halbrook, 7-0 Walter Dukes, and 6-11 Ray Felix...he had SEASONS, covering 9+ games in a season, of 40.1 ppg against Reed; 43.7 ppg and get this, 52.7 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy; 39.7 ppg and 38.1 ppg against 6-10 HOFer Bill Russell (who was a WORLD-CLASS high-jumper with a 7-4 wingspan); as well as a string of 11 straight games against 6-11 Nate Thurmond, in which he averaged 30 ppg (including games of 30, 33, 34, 34, 38, and even 45 points.) BTW, find me a game in which Kareem scored 38 points against a starting Nate Thurmond, much less 45 points...and Kareem faced him in some 50 H2H games. And even as late as Wilt's 71-72 season, he was scoring 29 ppg in 5 H2H games against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier.
And that does not include his absolute DOMINATION in terms of rebounding. You would be hard-pressed to find very many single games in Chamberlain's entire career, in which he was outrebounded. Russell, who was the game' second greatest rebounder of all-time, managed to outrebound Chamberlain in 42 H2H games, most of them barely. BUT, Wilt outrebounded Russell in 92, and in many he just murdered Russell. And Chamberlain faced Thurmond in three playoff series, and outrebounded him by margins of 28.5 to 26.7 rpg, 23.5 rpg to 19.5 rpg, and a 36 year old Chamberlain had a 23.6 to 17.2 rpg edge in Wilt's LAST playoff run. Even in the first one, which was their closest series. Wilt outrebounded Thurmond in 5 of those 6 games.
And how about FG%'s? In the VAST majority of H2H games against virtually any of the MANY HOFers Chamberlain faced, he outshot them, including Kareem, even at way past his peak. He outshot a prime Thurmond in those three straight playoff series by margins of .500 to .392; .550 to .398; and a staggering .560 to .343 margin in the '67 Finals. Kareem faced an older Thurmond in three straight playoff series, and shot .486, .428, and an eye-popping .405 from the floor against him.
And once again, the uneducated posters, like yourself, just look at Wilt's 50 ppg season, in a league of nine teams. Of course, Wilt faced Russell in 10 games (and Boston in 12), and averaged 39.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 62.) He faced Bellamy in 10 games, and all he could do was score 52.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 73.) He faced the 6-11 Ray Felix in eight games, and averaged 51.5 ppg in those games, including three of 60+, and a high game of 78. He was pouring in games of 50+ against 7-3 Swede Halbrook and 7-0 Walter Dukes. He had 100 points in a game against 6-10 Darrell Imhoff (granted Imhoff was one of three centers who tried to guard Wilt in that game.) He also battled the 6-9, 240 lb. Clyde Lovellette, who averaged 20.8 ppg that season, three times (Lovellete was injured for 1/2 the season), and Wilt had games of 39, 39, and 53 against him. And multiple all-star 6-9 Red Kerr was routinely surrendering 50+ point games to Chamberlain.
But, here again, a Chamberlain in his 64-65 season, averaged 40.1 ppg against Reed. In his 65-66 season, he averaged 33.0 ppg against Bellamy; 28.9 against Thurmond; 28.3 against Russell (and 31 rpg as well), and then in the playoffs, he averaged 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shot .509 against Russell. In fact, his 65-66 season was probably the most dominant season ever against an entire league. He was CRUSHING Thurmond, Bellamy, and Russell in those games, as well as pounding the rest of the league. He led the league in scoring, at 33.5 ppg; in rebounding, at 24.6 rpg; and set a then-record FG% mark of .540; oh and he also averaged 5.2 apg.
A 66-67 Chamberlain averaged 24.1 ppg, on .683 shooting, with 24.2 rpg, and 7.8 apg, And he was reducing the best centers to under 40% shooting in the known H2H matchups (in the playoffs,he held Dierking to .427, Russell to .358, and Thurmond to .343 shooting...all while shooting .579 himself in those games.)
A 67-68 Chamberlain had games of 52, 53, 53, and 68 points. In one of those 53 point games, he added 32 rebounds and 14 assists (and 7 blocks.) In that 68 point game, he grabbed 37 rebounds.
A 68-69 Wilt, in his 10th season, went on a 17 game tear in which he shelled every center in the league. He had games of 23 against Thurmond, 31 against Reed, and 35 against Russell...as well as 60 against Dierking and 66 against 6-10 Jim Fox.
A 69-70 Wilt, in his 11th season, was asked to step up offensively, and he responded by LEADING the league in scoring in his first nine games, at 32.2 ppg (and on about 60% shooting.) In those nine games he put up games of 33 (on 13-13 shooting), 35, 37 (against 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against star center Bob Rule), and 43 points. He also pounded Kareem in one game, with a 25-25 game on 9-14 shooting. He blew out his knee in that ninth game, or he might have went on to win his eighth scoring title...at age 33.
Even in his LAST season, at age 36, he went H2H with Kareem in six regular season games, and outshot Kareem in those six games by a staggering .737 to .450 margin (which even included one game in which he outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting Kareem, 10-14 to 10-27.) Then, in his LAST post-season, covering 17 games, all he did was average 22.5 rpg...which was the last time a player ever averaged as much as 17.3 ppg in the post-season.
Once again...Wilt faced players like Lovellette, Embry, Reed, Bellamy, Unseld, Hayes, Cowens, Lanier, Thurmond, Russell, Kareem, and even Gilmore...ALL in the HOF.
So, the fact was, no matter who Chamberlain faced, whether it be other seven-footers, of which there were quite a few in smaller leagues (from 8 to 17 team leagues) or the many HOFers, he was generally outplaying them all. Even into his LAST season. And all of that certainly blows up this theory that Wilt only feasted on helpless 6-6 centers in his career (which was the real intention of the OP BTW.)
[QUOTE=jlauber]First of all, the idiotic OP claimed that Wilt faced two players who were 7-0 in his CAREER. I just listed 14 seven-footers that played in the Chamberlain-era, and another 13 who would be listed at 7-0 in TODAY's game...or TWENTY-SEVEN of them.
Secondly, in Wilt's "scoring" prime, he not only was scoring 50-60-70 points against 7-0 Reggie Harding, 7-3 Swede Halbrook, 7-0 Walter Dukes, and 6-11 Ray Felix...he had SEASONS, covering 9+ games in a season, of 40.1 ppg against Reed; 43.7 ppg and get this, 52.7 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy; 39.7 ppg and 38.1 ppg against 6-10 HOFer Bill Russell (who was a WORLD-CLASS high-jumper with a 7-4 wingspan); as well as a string of 11 straight games against 6-11 Nate Thurmond, in which he averaged 30 ppg (including games of 30, 33, 34, 34, 38, and even 45 points.) BTW, find me a game in which Kareem scored 38 points against a starting Nate Thurmond, much less 45 points...and Kareem faced him in some 50 H2H games. And even as late as Wilt's 71-72 season, he was scoring 29 ppg in 5 H2H games against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier.
And that does not include his absolute DOMINATION in terms of rebounding. You would be hard-pressed to find very many single games in Chamberlain's entire career, in which he was outrebounded. Russell, who was the game' second greatest rebounder of all-time, managed to outrebound Chamberlain in 42 H2H games, most of them barely. BUT, Wilt outrebounded Russell in 92, and in many he just murdered Russell. And Chamberlain faced Thurmond in three playoff series, and outrebounded him by margins of 28.5 to 26.7 rpg, 23.5 rpg to 19.5 rpg, and a 36 year old Chamberlain had a 23.6 to 17.2 rpg edge in Wilt's LAST playoff run. Even in the first one, which was their closest series. Wilt outrebounded Thurmond in 5 of those 6 games.
And how about FG%'s? In the VAST majority of H2H games against virtually any of the MANY HOFers Chamberlain faced, he outshot them, including Kareem, even at way past his peak. He outshot a prime Thurmond in those three straight playoff series by margins of .500 to .392; .550 to .398; and a staggering .560 to .343 margin in the '67 Finals. Kareem faced an older Thurmond in three straight playoff series, and shot .486, .428, and an eye-popping .405 from the floor against him.
And once again, the uneducated posters, like yourself, just look at Wilt's 50 ppg season, in a league of nine teams. Of course, Wilt faced Russell in 10 games (and Boston in 12), and averaged 39.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 62.) He faced Bellamy in 10 games, and all he could do was score 52.7 ppg against him (with a high game of 73.) He faced the 6-11 Ray Felix in eight games, and averaged 51.5 ppg in those games, including three of 60+, and a high game of 78. He was pouring in games of 50+ against 7-3 Swede Halbrook and 7-0 Walter Dukes. He had 100 points in a game against 6-10 Darrell Imhoff (granted Imhoff was one of three centers who tried to guard Wilt in that game.)
But, here again, a Chamberlain in his 64-65 season, averaged 40.1 ppg against Reed. In his 65-66 season, he averaged 33.0 ppg against Bellamy; 28.9 against Thurmond; 28.3 against Russell (and 31 rpg as well), and then in the playoffs, he averaged 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shot .509 against Russell. In fact, his 65-66 season was probably the most dominant season ever against an entire league. He was CRUSHING Thurmond, Bellamy, and Russell in those games, as well as pounding the rest of the league. He led the league in scoring, at 33.5 ppg; in rebounding, at 24.6 rpg; and set a then-record FG% mark of .540; oh and he also averaged 5.2 apg.
A 66-67 Chamberlain averaged 24.1 ppg, on .683 shooting, with 24.2 rpg, and 7.8 apg, And he was reducing the best centers to under 40% shooting in the known H2H matchups (in the playoffs,he held Dierking to .427, Russell to .358, and Thurmond to .343 shooting...all while shooting .579 himself in those games.)
A 67-68 Chamberlain had games of 52, 53, 53, and 68 points. In one of those 53 point games, he added 32 rebounds and 14 assists (and 7 blocks.) In that 68 point game, he grabbed 37 rebounds.
A 68-69 Wilt, in his 10th season, went on a 17 game tear in which he shelled every center in the league. He had games of 23 against Thurmond, 31 against Reed, and 35 against Russell...as well as 60 against Dierking and 66 against 6-10 Jim Fox.
A 69-70 Wilt, in his 11th season, was asked to step up offensively, and he responded by LEADING the league in scoring in his first nine games, at 32.2 ppg (and on about 60% shooting.) In those nine games he put up games of 33 (on 13-13 shooting), 35, 37 (against 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle), 38 (against reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 42 (against star center Bob Rule), and 43 points. He also pounded Kareem in one game, with a 25-25 game on 9-14 shooting. He blew out his knee in that ninth game, or he might have went on to win his eighth scoring title...at age 33.
Even in his LAST season, at age 36, he went H2H with Kareem in six regular season games, and outshot Kareem in those six games by a staggering .737 to .450 margin (which even included one game in which he outscored Kareem, 24-21, while outshooting Kareem, 10-14 to 10-27.) Then, in his LAST post-season, covering 17 games, all he did was average 22.5 rpg...which was the last time a player ever averaged as much as 17.3 ppg in the post-season.
Once again...Wilt faced players like Lovellette, Embry, Reed, Bellamy, Unseld, Hayes, Cowens, Lanier, Thurmond, Russell, Kareem, and even Gilmore...ALL in the HOF.
So, the fact was, no matter who Chamberlain faced, whether it be other seven-footers, of which there were quite a few in smaller leagues (from 8 to 17 team leagues) or the many HOFers, he was generally outplaying them all. Even into his LAST season. And all of that certainly blows up this theory that Wilt only feasted on helpless 6-6 centers in his career (which was the real intention of the OP BTW.)[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=jlauber]First of all, the idiotic OP claimed that Wilt faced two players who were 7-0 in his CAREER. I just listed 14 seven-footers that played in the Chamberlain-era, and another 13 who would be listed at 7-0 in TODAY's game...or TWENTY-SEVEN of them.[/QUOTE]
Well, obviously that's not true but Wilt's competition his first year wasn't that good, you know that and you've even said it yourself. In his 50 point per game season the lack of height and skillset around the league was obvious and the tall one's a la Swede Halbrook, Walter Dukes etc really wasn't anything special..
Although in all Wilt faced good competition in all, I'll get it if someone uses the competition in his early years against him, I do it too but in all he proved himself against some great centers.
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Didn't read? Or [I]can't [/I]read?
[QUOTE=WillC]Didn't read? Or [I]can't [/I]read?[/QUOTE]
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A homophobic kid who spends his life posting GIFs on message boards.
Cool.
[QUOTE=WillC]A homophobic kid who spends his life posting GIFs on message boards.
Cool.[/QUOTE]
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Cool. Very impressive. Well done, kid.