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[QUOTE=STATUTORY][B]in term of peak and prime, Wade doesn't measure up either.[/B]
And this is coming from a Wade fan who don't even like kobe[/QUOTE]
Hell no. From 06-11 he was just as good as prime kobe. Kobe is top 10 because of his amazing elite play for a long period of time, not because of his peak play.
Top 25 only because he won FMVP. If he didn't, Top 50. His resume went down after becoming LBJ's sidekick... and then becoming the Heat's 3rd most importantn player this year.
MJ
Kobe
West
Wade
Drexler
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]in term of peak and prime, Wade doesn't measure up either.
[B]And this is coming from a Wade fan who don't even like kobe[/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe if you stop repeating this same bullsh!t somebody would take you seriously. You are one of the biggest Kobetards on this board.
And yeah, in terms of longevity Kobe is better, but Im taking Wade 08/09 season over any of Kobe's.
[quote=LEFT4DEAD]Maybe if you stop repeating this same bullsh!t somebody would take you seriously. You are one of the biggest Kobetards on this board.
And yeah, in terms of longevity Kobe is better, but Im taking Wade 08/09 season over any of Kobe's.[/quote]
You take Wade's season over Kobe's championship years?
There is a reason why Sonic fans lost their team. Not very intelligent to at least go and support their team.
There's a reason when Sonic Gate movie came out and they tried to get former players to say something good about the organization, they declined.
Ray Allen wanted no part of it, Durant said no comment and Westbrook said he's happy at OKC.
:facepalm
Kobe's peak>>> Wade's peak
Kobe's prime>>> Wade's prime ( although it's close)
Kobe's Longevity>>>Wade's Longevity
I don't even understand why this is a debate. Even D.Wade will tell you Kobe was better than him.
I'd put Wade probably 4th, although it can be argued he's 3rd.
[QUOTE=swag2011]Kobe's peak>>> Wade's peak
Kobe's prime>>> Wade's prime ( although it's close)
Kobe's Longevity>>>Wade's Longevity
I don't even understand why this is a debate. Even D.Wade will tell you Kobe was better than him.
I'd put Wade probably 4th, although it can be argued he's 3rd.[/QUOTE]
Kobe and Wade's peak's are very comparable. Though I agree that Kobe's peak is slightly better, I don't think ">>>" is at all warranted.
Kobe's Peak
28/6/5 on 58% TS with great defense
Wade's Peak
30/5/8 on FG 57% TS with solid defense
[QUOTE=9erempiree]You take Wade's season over Kobe's championship years?
There is a reason why Sonic fans lost their team. Not very intelligent to at least go and support their team.
There's a reason when Sonic Gate movie came out and they tried to get former players to say something good about the organization, they declined.
Ray Allen wanted no part of it, Durant said no comment and Westbrook said he's happy at OKC.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
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Kobe by 2001 was a better payer than Wade has ever been.
2003 Kobe shits on any version of Wade.
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]I'm the biggest wade fan you will ever meet but I'm also an objective bball fan and there's no argument that wade is even in the same ballpark as Kobe[/QUOTE]
truth.
Here we go with that peak vs peak argument again.
:facepalm
[QUOTE=DatAsh]Kobe and Wade's peak's are very comparable. Though I agree that Kobe's peak is slightly better, I don't think ">>>" is at all warranted.
Kobe's Peak
28/6/5 on 58% TS with great defense
Wade's Peak
30/5/8 on FG 57% TS with solid defense[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that Wade led his team to a title, just like Kobe, was All NBA 1st team, just like Kobe, and was top 3 in the league, just like Kobe. There is [B]nothing[/B] that separates Wade from Kobe and Lebron as PLAYERS besides them both winning MVP's (where Wade was 3rd in voting right behind them).
[QUOTE=Money 23]George Gervin and Pistol Pete were Gilbert Arenas caliber players.
Amazing volume shooters / scorers, did little else, certainly played no defense and were stat padding losers (Gervin specifically)[/QUOTE]
Pistol was easily a bigger loser than Gervin, and a markedly worse player too. Pistol consistently submarined his team's offensive efficiency, and he's also one of the worst defenders in history.
Calling him a Gilbert Arenas caliber player is being incredibly generous; in his prime, Pistol was sub .500 EVERY SINGLE YEAR OF HIS CAREER aside from 1973, the only year he ever won 40+ games. Pistol was the definition of a ball hogging, cancerous loser. The craziest thing about him, is that his rookie season, he absolutely KILLED the Hawks - their record plummeted from 48 wins to 36, despite the rest team being completely intact from the previous year. There's good evidence that he was a negative impact player.
[QUOTE=che guevara]Pistol was easily a bigger loser than Gervin, and a markedly worse player too. Pistol consistently submarined his team's offensive efficiency, and he's also one of the worst defenders in history.
Calling him a Gilbert Arenas caliber player is being incredibly generous; in his prime, Pistol was sub .500 EVERY SINGLE YEAR OF HIS CAREER aside from 1973, the only year he ever won 40+ games. Pistol was the definition of a ball hogging, cancerous loser. The craziest thing about him, is that his rookie season, he absolutely KILLED the Hawks - their record plummeted from 48 wins to 36, despite the rest team being completely intact from the previous year. There's good evidence that he was a negative impact player.[/QUOTE]
his teammates on the hawks hated him because he was earning much more money than them despite still being a rookie
[QUOTE=Young X]Not to mention that Wade led his team to a title, just like Kobe, was All NBA 1st team, just like Kobe, and was top 3 in the league, just like Kobe. There is [B]nothing[/B] that separates Wade from Kobe and Lebron as PLAYERS besides them both winning MVP's (where Wade was 3rd in voting right behind them).[/QUOTE]
That's essentially the point.
I don't think there is a whole lot of distinction between all these guys, apart from Kobe's 5 championships and LeBron's 3 MVP awards.
In terms of statistical, on court peak performance and play ... Wade's best is absolutely comparable with Kobe's and even LeBron's best.
The difference is marginal at best, and can be argued either way, I suppose. Insecure Kobe kids take it too far. Saying "Kobe's 2003 shits on ANY version of Wade" ... absolutely false.
They make it sound like the difference between Kobe and Wade, is as great as the difference between MJ and Reggie Miller. It really is a close race between them in terms of peak play, and prime play.
Kobe has the longevity, the MVP award, 1 more Finals MVP and 3 more rings. Thus, he gets the nod on the pyramid.
[quote=che guevera]Pistol was easily a bigger loser than Gervin, and a markedly worse player too. Pistol consistently submarined his team's offensive efficiency, and he's also one of the worst defenders in history.
Calling him a Gilbert Arenas caliber player is being incredibly generous; in his prime, Pistol was sub .500 EVERY SINGLE YEAR OF HIS CAREER aside from 1973, the only year he ever won 40+ games. Pistol was the definition of a ball hogging, cancerous loser. The craziest thing about him, is that his rookie season, he absolutely KILLED the Hawks - their record plummeted from 48 wins to 36, despite the rest team being completely intact from the previous year. There's good evidence that he was a negative impact player.[/quote]
I know, good post with more elaboration than I had time to go into. What I meant is their games might be slightly different, but all (Arenas, Maravich, Gervin) were entertaining volume scoring LOSERS in their true essence. Who rarely impacted the game in areas more than scoring.
Don't get me wrong, Pistol had passing skills, pre-cursor flair that the mainstream didn't pick up on until Magic Johnson, but he NEVER made teammates truly better.
The point I was making went right over people's heads.
Not only is Wade's game better than both Pistol and Iceman (possibly the two coolest NBA nicknames of all-time) but Wade is a fact proven winner. Saying those two are better than Wade is BEYOND ridiculous.