real footage of ISIS or ISIL (warning extremely graphic)

[QUOTE=code green][B]Watched that video of the Jordanian pilot, and it makes me sick. Worst (Best?) part of it is that it was a Sunni muslim, which only proves to me further that Islam isn't the problem. It's these backwards ****s just looking for a reason to act like animals.[/B]

I really have no confidence at all that the US is going to do anything about it as long as we keep relying on Saudi Arabia for oil. It's really, really sad to say, but I'm convinced there's only one person that would have the means and stones to take ISIS out...and it might not be a popular opinion.

It's Bashar Al-Assad. He's been the only one that's been able to hold ISIS back once they get into the country. Look at Egypt and Iraq....they can't do shit right now because we killed the only people that could keep them in line. I've been on this soapbox for 2 years, but I think it's finally time we danced with the devil in order to bring some resemblance of peace to that region. Christians and Muslims have and will live together in (as close to) harmony (in that region) with him in power.

Also, kudos to Jordan for killing off those 2 scumbags in prison. Hope there's more to follow.[/QUOTE]
Wrong: they believe that what they are doing is morally justified, not only that, but that it is backed by divine warrant. They seem pretty sure of themselves (unlike westerners), and you can see that just by taking a quick perusal of their twitter accounts:

[url]https://twitter.com/azzamalirhabi[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/Yakub_a_mujahid[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/uygaraktas[/url]

et cetera...

edit: it's also pretty funny how the rhetoric they utilise is pretty much the same as that left-wing publications, but then, leftist clowns have always been experts at trivialising the worst kind of atrocities.

I've thought (and still think) like the Islam haters for a long time until I had a conversation with my father (Christian, grew up in Lebanon) who tells me he has Muslim family friends that are just as pissed as we all are that this shit is going on. Christians and Muslims have lived together (again, relatively) peacefully in Lebanon and Syria for decades. It took me a while and a few conversations to lighten up about it, so I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind. To be honest, a big part of me still resents the religion. But trust me. There's a lot of upset Muslims that are just too terrified to speak out against it. Fact is, most of the people ISIS has killed have been Muslim.

Islam is certainly their vehicle in which they choose to terrorize the people. And there are a ton of extremists in the world who emphatically believe ISIS is doing Allah's work. But promises of money/fame/72 virgins from Saudi Arabia make it a lot easier for them to do what they do.



PS - If you're referring to me as being a "lefty," I'm a registered Republican.

[QUOTE=code green]I've thought (and still think) like the Islam haters for a long time until I had a conversation with my father (Christian, grew up in Lebanon) who tells me he has Muslim family friends that are just as pissed as we all are that this shit is going on. Christians and Muslims have lived together (again, relatively) peacefully in Lebanon and Syria for decades. It took me a while and a few conversations to lighten up about it, so I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind. To be honest, a big part of me still resents the religion. But trust me. There's a lot of upset Muslims that are just too terrified to speak out against it. Fact is, most of the people ISIS has killed have been Muslim.

Islam is certainly their vehicle in which they choose to terrorize the people. And there are a ton of extremists in the world who emphatically believe ISIS is doing Allah's work. But promises of money/fame/72 virgins from Saudi Arabia make it a lot easier for them to do what they do.

[B]PS - If you're referring to me as being a "lefty," I'm a registered Republican.[/B][/QUOTE]
I wasn't: i was just pointing out that reading the twitter accounts of these people is like reading the posts on here of Nanners or Droid :roll: - same logic, and unsurprisingly, it has convinced a lot of stupid people to run off to Syria and fight for a religion under attack by the 'evil capitalist West.' All Nanners and Droid need is a socialist war to go off and kill and torture the evil exploiters for kicks. It is the mentality of envy, and the desire for revenge that comes along with.

The weakness and lack of pride we take in our own culture is what results in these people returning to their atavistic ideologies, because why would they buy into a culture so shame-faced, so lacking in respect for itself, so [I]masochistic[/I]? That's why Islam, mass immigration, and cultural insecurity at home, provides for a toxic mix, regardless of whether there are moderate and assimilated muslims or not (which there obviously are). The fact that ISIS is filled with citizens from Western countries shows that there has clearly been an oversight somewhere, and it is most definitely a reason for concern.

Anyone who knows much about Islam can recognise that it takes a certain amount of cognitive dissonance for a muslim to live happily in a culture as permissive as ours. It is also hard to deny that there is a clear divide between permissive Western cultures and Islamic ones, and that they have not the slightest similarity to one another. Remember, Christians and Muslims can live together more easily than they can in a society dominated by secularism, as in many ways the latter undermines on Islamic culture (particularly when it comes to the family), whereas the former is compatible in many ways.

ISIS know that they are fvked, so they are just doing more brutal shit before it's too late.

[QUOTE=code green]I've thought (and still think) like the Islam haters for a long time until I had a conversation with my father (Christian, grew up in Lebanon) who tells me he has Muslim family friends that are just as pissed as we all are that this shit is going on. Christians and Muslims have lived together (again, relatively) peacefully in Lebanon and Syria for decades. It took me a while and a few conversations to lighten up about it, so I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind. To be honest, a big part of me still resents the religion. But trust me. There's a lot of upset Muslims that are just too terrified to speak out against it. Fact is, most of the people ISIS has killed have been Muslim.

Islam is certainly their vehicle in which they choose to terrorize the people. And there are a ton of extremists in the world who emphatically believe ISIS is doing Allah's work. But promises of money/fame/72 virgins from Saudi Arabia make it a lot easier for them to do what they do.



PS - If you're referring to me as being a "lefty," I'm a registered Republican.[/QUOTE]

Christians & Muslims have lived in peace since 100s of years here in fr. Yugoslavia, until the dictator messed everything up, attacking Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo (killing christians AND muslims, as long as you were not serb, you die), luckily those stood in the way of attacking Slovenia & Macedonia (christian "countries") aswell......... and so not even what happened there was because of religion, but because of politics & psychotic brain function, now again its back to like it was before (minus it all being "yugoslavia" again etc. but whatever)... during this war (or excuse me, "genocide") christians & muslims friends/neighbours would help eachother with their lives to survive....

I have nothing but christian & muslim friends / relatives (european/slavic muslims, not to be confused with ARAB/middle-east muslims lol, havent seen an Arab here in Bosnia my entire life, those you can find only/mostly in like England, Germany etc.)... infact i am half christian-muslim myself, kindof secular but yea.... Thing is, fr. Yugoslavian (Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, Montenegrin, Macedonian) muslims here aka. Bosniaks are really the same slavic roots as christians here, just converts since the Ottoman times, same dudes.... except for the Albanian muslims...

[QUOTE=pauk]
infact i am half christian-muslim myself[/QUOTE]

[B][I]Blasphemer![/I][/B]

ain't no one butchering the serbs man...we all know karadzic milosevic mladic and the srebrenca massacres.

every serb I know do the same shit act like the victim and take shots at the other balkan countries it's pathetic really.

And it was the Poles who kept the ****ing Ottoman's out of Western Europe :bowdown:

Just as they kept the Soviet's out in 1920.

Poles > Serbs, mother****er. Alas, Western European countries never show any gratitude, rather, they try to pretend these places barely existed, and that they haven't shielded the rest of Europe from the Asian hordes for centuries. The powers of Western Europe have used, betrayed, retarded and destroyed much of Eastern Europe, and then they portray the people they made backwards as being backwards :lol.

[QUOTE=Maksimilian]Russians kept the Muslims out of Europe. Don't get me wrong Poles definitely played their part as well, but they weren't as important as the Russians. Hell every time the Ottoman Empire was close to complete destruction by the Russians, Western European nations would enter the conflict on the side of the Muslims in an attempt to stem the rise of Russian-Slavic expansion like they did in the Crimean Wars of the 1850s and the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s (The enemy of my enemy is my friend). The Balkan nations were close to Independence on countless occasions during their enslavement, only for the Western Europeans to fukc it up for us. Their idea was that if they couldnt rule over us (Like they do now), then theyde prefer the Muslims over the Russians too.

The Poles and Serbs were among the biggest victims of World War 2. I think based on population the biggest victims during the war was something like

1. European Jews
2. Russians
3. Poles
4. Serbs

Not to mention World War 1 where the Serbs lost the most people based on population (Something like 1.2 out of 4 million) and 30% of their male population during four years.

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True. I think the true reason is that Western Europeans are still very racist towards Slavs, in fact, this remains the only kind of racism that is socially acceptable.

In retrospect, the Poles made a big mistake in saving Vienna, as it would pave the way for it to be partitioned by the powers they had aided and protected. And i think it was fear of the superior military tradition of the slavs that led Western powers to ally themselves with the Turks, despite Turkish brutality (they never had to deal with it).

I've repeatedly argued that the view many Westerners hold of dividing East & Western Europe is a false construction, created by the short-lived predominance of Marxian dogma there. In Russian history, the 20th century remains an exception, and their tradition and culture remains very much European, and not the 'other' it is almost always presented as. Russia could be an important ally, but instead we have to portray it as the evil Communist boogieman (even though it is the complete opposite :hammerhead:).

[QUOTE=Dresta]True. I think the true reason is that Western Europeans are still very racist towards Slavs, in fact, this remains the only kind of racism that is socially acceptable.

In retrospect, the Poles made a big mistake in saving Vienna, as it would pave the way for it to be partitioned by the powers they had aided and protected. And i think it was fear of the superior military tradition of the slavs that led Western powers to ally themselves with the Turks, despite Turkish brutality (they never had to deal with it).

I've repeatedly argued that the view many Westerners hold of dividing East & Western Europe is a false construction, created by the short-lived predominance of Marxian dogma there. In Russian history, the 20th century remains an exception, and their tradition and culture remains very much European, and not the 'other' it is almost always presented as. Russia could be an important ally, but instead we have to portray it as the evil Communist boogieman (even though it is the complete opposite :hammerhead:).[/QUOTE]

yeah, i like reading about history too.........but then i realize that it don't matter shit.........in 50 or 100 years time all euros will be forced to become muslims or be beheaded............fukk Hitler and Germany in WW2, they went after the wrong foe........:facepalm .........alot of good brits, american and germans died for nothing, 60 years later and europe is occupied again, by an 10 time more evil and deadly enemy.........and nobody is coming to save europe this time

[QUOTE=jaydacris]damn... king doing work[/QUOTE]

False.

[url]http://twitchy.com/2015/02/04/hard-core-jordans-king-abdullah-in-combat-gear-and-ready-to-fight-isis-photos/[/url]


Gangsta. As. F[COLOR="Black"]UC[/COLOR]K.

[QUOTE=Maksimilian]
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Out of the one hundred thousand victims in the Bosnian War; 30 000 were Serbs, 65 000 Muslims, 5 000 Croats. We Serbs must have killed our selves i guess. Out of the 2 million refugees of the war, the majority are Serbs. The country in Europe with the largest refugee population is Serbia. [B]the single biggest act of ethnic cleansing during the Yugoslav wars was the expulsion[/B] of 350 000 Serbs from Western Croatia.

This isnt even mentioning World War 1 and World War 2 when we were on the Allied side twice, and twice were fed as lambs to the slaughter by our neighbours.......only to win again. Serbia :rockon:[/QUOTE]
oh wow they got expelled from the country:facepalm

I don't know what kind of serbian sources you have but the victims in the bosnian war is said to be over 200k people from 150k bosnians.

the serbs systematically starved cities out that had high bosnian populations so indirect deaths are usually not accounted for in the statistic numbers serbs give. And it's just a statistic who cares there was a ethnic cleansing going on that wiped out whole bosnian cities end of the story and you should accept that but you'll just throw blame at the US as usual and talk about expulsions.