Phil Jackson on Scottie Pippen's as a leader

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Samuri is too--but he hates Pippen, Rose and Noah--basically every Bulls legend outside of MJ[/QUOTE]
LMAO ... what? Throwing shade at me now too, the way you do Big Mike?

I don't hate Pippen. Don't love him either. Underrated in life, overrated on ISH. Especially by people with agendas: you, '97 bulls, LeBird, etc.

I am a HUGE fan of Rose. Constantly have defended him, even though I've grown tired of his softness. Have never liked Noah since college, and in no way do I have to like him cause he plays for the Bulls. Hinrich is one of my all-time favorite Bulls.

Meanwhile, you're a guy who isn't even from Chicago, lives in what ... Delaware? Hates Jordan, not only our franchises greatest player but the best of all-time. And sucks off Pippen, the guy who essentially along with Krause ended the dynasty prematurely due to selfishness. Leaving Chicago high, and dry.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Pippen was second in command. Always was. RR arguing an entire summer long, excessive volume posting rant, smear campaign of the greatest of all-time ... a resentment over Jordan. Just like Pippen himself. Hell, RR probably is Pippen.[/QUOTE]

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I just don't see the point of this back and forth BS. I see no reason why a Bulls fan should prop up or tear down either of them over the other. But i guess y'all can do whatever you want

LJ made it to the finals because of scrub ass eastern conference. Boonies Gibson had to go nuts one game for them to win. Mj made it to the second round against the eventual champs the Pistons and took one game from them. LeBron got that ass swept.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Samuri, who else achieved what LeBron did?[/quote]It's not nearly as impressive in context. The east was horrendous. Boobie shot them into the Finals, then he laid an egg in the Finals performance wise ... got swept being guarded by old AF Bruce Bowen.

MJ's '88 - '90 >>> LeBron's 2007

[quote=Roundball_Rock]I am only refuting claims made by the fleet of Jordan mythologists.[/QUOTE]
So we're supposed to feel ashamed that MJ was so great he had built in mythological like aspects to his career? No wonder he's GOAT. Why on earth would any of this bother a "Bulls fan" ...

Seriously though, what's the point of all the Pippen propaganda all summer? Also, it's spelled SamuRAI

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[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LMAO ... what? Throwing shade at me now too, the way you do Big Mike?

I don't hate Pippen. Don't love him either. Underrated in life, overrated on ISH. Especially by people with agendas: you, '97 bulls, LeBird, etc.

I am a HUGE fan of Rose. Constantly have defended him, even though I've grown tired of his softness. Have never liked Noah since college, and in no way do I have to like him cause he plays for the Bulls. Hinrich is one of my all-time favorite Bulls.

Meanwhile, you're a guy who isn't even from Chicago, lives in what ... Delaware? Hates Jordan, not only our franchises greatest player but the best of all-time. And sucks off Pippen, the guy who essentially along with Krause ended the dynasty prematurely due to selfishness. Leaving Chicago high, and dry.[/QUOTE]
I can say 97 bulls is a Bulls fan who just want Pippen to get his tho. Round is trolling/making thread s he knows will get a response. I never seen 97 bulls start the war like round does.

[QUOTE=Warfan]:lol
I just don't see the point of this back and forth BS. I see no reason why a Bulls fan should prop up or tear down either of them over the other. But i guess y'all can do whatever you want[/QUOTE]
I'm not tearing down Pippen? We're all responding to Roundball's obvious agenda. And that dude ADMITS he hates Jordan.

I don't dislike Pippen at all. He is what he is ... what I've always claimed. I take nothing away from him. He's the 2nd in command of a dynasty. A guy who finally got mentally tough, and skilled enough to supplement the greatest player of all-time. Then they ran rough shot over the league.

OP literally making the case that Pippen was THE LEADER of the Bulls. No one with a brain, or whoever played for Chicago, certainly not against them in the 90s would make that asinine claim.

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[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]I'm not tearing down Pippen? We're all responding to Roundball's obvious agenda. And that dude ADMITS he hates Jordan.

I don't dislike Pippen at all. He is what he is ... what I've always claimed. I take nothing away from him. He's the 2nd in command of a dynasty. A guy who finally got mentally tough, and skilled enough to supplement the greatest player of all-time. Then they ran rough shot over the league.

OP literally making the case that Pippen was THE LEADER of the Bulls. No one with a brain, or whoever played for Chicago, certainly not against them in the 90s would make that asinine claim.

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I don't hate Pippen at all. I just responding to round nonsense.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Pippen was second in command. Always was. RR arguing an entire summer long, excessive volume posting rant, smear campaign of the greatest of all-time ... [B]a resentment over Jordan. Just like Pippen himself. [/B]Hell, RR probably is Pippen.[/QUOTE]

BTW what resentment towards Jordan by Pippen are you referring to? They are still friends.

[IMG]http://www.trendingplayers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/pippen-jordan.jpeg[/IMG]

[QUOTE]Especially by people with agendas: you, '97 bulls, LeBird, etc. [/QUOTE]

We have biases. We don't have "agendas."

[QUOTE]Pippen, the guy who essentially along with Krause ended the dynasty prematurely due to selfishness. Leaving Chicago high, and dry.[/QUOTE]

You are blaming Pippen for Krause breaking up the team? Jordan was the reigning MVP--the GOAT leader, GOAT player, GOAT at everything. He could have stayed too but decided to retire.

[QUOTE]Meanwhile, you're a guy who isn't even from Chicago, lives in what ... Delaware? [/QUOTE]

Yeah, I grew up and have, outside of 4 years in north NJ, always lived in the Philly area. Which is why some of the conspiracy theories are funny. I am not from California or Ohio. I became a Bulls fan because the Sixers were trash when I started watching and the Bulls were on national television so often they became almost a second home team. I root for the Eagles in football. Yet you all spent years claiming I was a closet Kobe stan/Lakers fan; now you say I am a closet LeBron stan. :oldlol:

[QUOTE]LJ made it to the finals because of scrub ass eastern conference. [/QUOTE]

Detroit was a legitimate contender from 2004-2008. Besides, we are not talking about just one year but really the entire 2006-2010 period. LeBron had the Cavs consistently competitive despite playing with scrubs. I am not aware of anyone else who had a team at such a high level for so long with so little:

2006: 50 wins, ECSF
2007: 50 wins, Finals
2008: 50 win pace with him (0-7 without him), ECSF
2009: 66 wins, ECF
2010: 63 wins, ECSF

The 2006 and 2008-2010 losses came against the reigning or eventual East champ every year.

[QUOTE]So we're supposed to feel ashamed that MJ was so great he had built in mythological like aspects to his career?[/QUOTE]

That isn't what people are referring to when people speak of Jordan mythology and Jordan mythologists. People are not talking about his GOAT-caliber resume but some of the ridiculous claims made about him: he won by himself, he would never do things he actually did, how he >>>>> any other player in history, how he would put up crazy numbers in today's game, etc.

[QUOTE]I can say 97 bulls is a Bulls fan who just want Pippen to get his tho. Round is trolling/making thread s he knows will get a response. [/QUOTE]

My 90's Bulls threads rarely come out the blue. If you look at my threads you'll see often the seeds were planted in some MJ or Pippen thread that occurred prior to that thread. The thread is a refutation of some of what MJ stans said in that thread. For example, this thread is the result of MJ stans saying Pip was a poor leader.

How am I a troll? I have never been banned or suspended in 5 years like Samurai and OldSchool/Loki. Just because I say things MJ fans don't like does not=trolling.

[QUOTE]And that dude ADMITS he hates Jordan. [/QUOTE]

I don't hate MJ. I have him as my co-GOAT. When I joined ISH I was DEFENDING Mike and even making a few pro-MJ threads. What I do is refute the claims of MJ stans and I did turn anti-MJ as a result of MJ stans' posts. I don't hate him, though. He was instrumental in giving us rings and legendary teams like the 72-10 team.

[QUOTE]OP literally making the case that Pippen was THE LEADER of the Bulls. No one with a brain, or whoever played for Chicago, certainly not against them in the 90s would make that asinine claim.[/QUOTE]

What I did was post quotes from Phil Jackson and his close friend Charley Rosen. Take it up with them. :confusedshrug: In this thread, as I have elsewhere, I have said MJ had an important leadership role on the Bulls, which is true.

So underrated, one of my fav ever and was close to being a perfect SF.

[QUOTE=scandisk_]good thing Pip is leaps and bounds better than LBJ as a leader. GO PIP![/QUOTE]

Why does everything about lebron have to be so negative? Just because Jordan and Pippen were much better leaders doesn't mean Bron isn't a good player. Not everyone got to see Jordan/Pippen and for some of them, Bron (while not as good of a leader) is all these kids have.

[QUOTE=AintNoSunshine]So underrated, one of my fav ever and was close to being a perfect SF.[/QUOTE]
He was close, only thing missing was volume scoring. Basically the greatest Beta ever. It worked cause he knew he was a true sidekick, 2nd in command too.

He was the template for this guy basically ...

LeBron:
50% Pippen
20% Penny
20% Magic
10% Jordan

[QUOTE=juju151111]I can say 97 bulls is a Bulls fan who just want Pippen to get his tho. Round is trolling/making thread s he knows will get a response. I never seen 97 bulls start the war like round does.[/QUOTE]


Co-sign.

97 bulls is a Bulls fan through and through. He will defend is dude Pip, just like any MJ fan will defend MJ. I got no problem with that as 1) he doesn't rip MJ to prop Scottie, 2) Pip is my dude, too, so I'm not gonna trash him to defend MJ, 3) and we're both true Bulls fans.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]He was close, only thing missing was volume scoring. Basically the greatest Beta ever. It worked cause he knew he was a true sidekick, 2nd in command too.[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

See, this is what I am talking about. The MJ stan brigade will make comments like that "true sidekick," "greatest beta ever" so Pippen fans naturally will refute it. It is funny, MJ fans like some of the people above will swear they are not anti-Pippen yet they never call out their fellow MJ stans for such statements. Why should we be forced to unilaterally disarm in face of non-stop propaganda from a dozen posters?

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]I'm not tearing down Pippen? We're all responding to Roundball's obvious agenda. And that dude ADMITS he hates Jordan.

I don't dislike Pippen at all. He is what he is ... what I've always claimed. I take nothing away from him. He's the 2nd in command of a dynasty. A guy who finally got mentally tough, and skilled enough to supplement the greatest player of all-time. Then they ran rough shot over the league.

OP literally making the case that Pippen was THE LEADER of the Bulls. No one with a brain, or whoever played for Chicago, certainly not against them in the 90s would make that asinine claim.

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Word. :cheers:

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]:rolleyes:

See, this is what I am talking about. The MJ stan brigade will make comments like that "true sidekick," "greatest beta ever" so Pippen fans naturally will refute it. It is funny, MJ fans like some of the people above will swear they are not anti-Pippen yet they never call out their fellow MJ stans for such statements. Why should we be forced to unilaterally disarm in face of non-stop propaganda from a dozen posters?[/QUOTE]
You ignore mayhem retarded ass all the time and other posters.