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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]I'm literally in awe at the stuff being presented ITT. Is this what the OTC provides? Posters with clear learning disabilities debating one another?[/QUOTE]
All im trying to prove is that you can't justify a persons decisions by saying as as long as people are consenting then its ok. There is nothing wrong with my stance.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Following the bible is not nonsense. What could possibly be wrong with obeying bible principles?
Its as if you cant get out of your own way. Your whole argument centers around being free to make your own decisions. Who are you to say one is right or wrong?
Mentally developed in what way? Meaning they're not capable of supporting themselves? Perhaps theres a chance for spousal abuse? Disagreements? Arguments? Break ups? Cheating? These are all aspects that "adults" both straight and homosexual go through. Hell the person were discussing is 20 and was asking to live in someones basement.
Vey good points. Im not arguing whether homosexuality is right or wrong. My point is not trying to justify it by attacking a persons beliefs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Following the bible is not nonsense. What could possibly be wrong with obeying bible principles?
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there are many portions of the bible that are clearly untrue. Eg genesis If you follow the bible as a guide to life, you are accepting a book where huge portions of it are conclusively false.
secondly many of the teachings of the bible are immoral
Eg. justifying slavery
As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a female slave look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the LORD our God, till he shows us his mercy. (Psalm 123:2)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. (Ephesians 6:5-6)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. (Colossians 3:22)
Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, (Titus 2:9)
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.(Peter 2:18)
God according to the bible is genocidal
[QUOTE]God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mass murder of 42 little children:
2 Kings 2:23-24:
"And he [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ritual Human Sacrifice
"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith - twenty towns - and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter - his only child - ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." Judges 11:29-40[/QUOTE]
God according to the bible has some kinky ideas about daughters
[QUOTE]Sex Slaves
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)[/QUOTE]
The old testament was written/compiled by the leaders of the jewish faith. The new testament was written/compiled by the richest and most powerful men of the first century western world. The King James bible (the most common version of the new testament we see in america) was a version compiled in the 16th century by english aristocrats/lords and the church of england.
The bible is meant as a form of control. it stresses lessons meant to control society. Eg. dont worry about being a poor slave, if you rebel you will burn in hell, but if you stay submissive and meek, you shall inherit the earth and the rich man's chances of entering the gates of heaven are the same as a camel passing through the eye of a needle. basically dont do anything about being poor, when you die you will have unimaginable luxury.
That is the overarching purpose of the bible. But it has other lessons too. Dont kill, (if our tribe kills each other, we wont have enough people to fight other tribes), Reproduce a lot (more soldiers), Don't eat shellfish ( you might die of red tide poisoning), etc
[QUOTE=NumberSix]This picture PERFECTLY illustrates common sense. Nobody "blames" victims for getting raped. It doesn't condone rape when you tell women to try to avoid it. Rapists exist. Taking precautions isn't admitting that you are at fault if you get raped.[/QUOTE]
And its only a matter of time before the next group of people decide they want their way on things.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]I'm literally in awe at the stuff being presented ITT. Is this what the OTC provides? Posters with clear learning disabilities debating one another?[/QUOTE]
lol, no.
This is one of the smarter threads.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]And its only a matter of time before the next group of people decide they want their way on things.[/QUOTE]
Then stop it from the previous step of gay relationships, which would be straight relationships.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]This picture PERFECTLY illustrates common sense. Nobody "blames" victims for getting raped. It doesn't condone rape when you tell women to try to avoid it. Rapists exist. Taking precautions isn't admitting that you are at fault if you get raped.[/QUOTE]
What precaution do you recommend to not get raped?
It's hard to feel bad for someone like this, honestly. Clearly this is the reaction he wanted. Why else would he record the whole thing? He went in with the intention of making a video and posting it on YouTube... who the f*ck does that?
And now he's reaping awards that even he probably never dreamed of. $90k in two days... it's actually disgusting when you think about it because this was his plan the whole time. He didn't give a shit if his parents accepted him... he was counting on them not to.
It's unfortunate that bigoted parents like his still exist in this day and age, but this dude knew what he was getting into the whole time. He exploited not only his parents, but his own homosexuality for attention and the opportunity to create a sob story and have random people donate to him.
He's just as bad as his parents.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]there are many portions of the bible that are clearly untrue. Eg genesis If you follow the bible as a guide to life, you are accepting a book where huge portions of it are conclusively false.
secondly many of the teachings of the bible are immoral
Eg. justifying slavery
As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a female slave look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the LORD our God, till he shows us his mercy. (Psalm 123:2)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. (Ephesians 6:5-6)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. (Colossians 3:22)
Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, (Titus 2:9)
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.(Peter 2:18)
God according to the bible is genocidal
God according to the bible has some kinky ideas about daughters
The old testament was written/compiled by the leaders of the jewish faith. The new testament was written/compiled by the richest and most powerful men of the first century western world. The King James bible (the most common version of the new testament we see in america) was a version compiled in the 16th century by english aristocrats/lords and the church of england.
The bible is meant as a form of control. it stresses lessons meant to control society. Eg. dont worry about being a poor slave, if you rebel you will burn in hell, but if you stay submissive and meek, you shall inherit the earth and the rich man's chances of entering the gates of heaven are the same as a camel passing through the eye of a needle. basically dont do anything about being poor, when you die you will have unimaginable luxury.
That is the overarching purpose of the bible. But it has other lessons too. Dont kill, (if our tribe kills each other, we wont have enough people to fight other tribes), Reproduce a lot (more soldiers), Don't eat shellfish ( you might die of red tide poisoning), etc[/QUOTE]
What you're doing is distorting stories in the bible. If God had a person or group of people killed, it was because they desereved it. Theyr were either oppresing his people or their own by way of sacrificing to false gods. God has NEVER sanctioned a human sacrifice to him. In the case of Jepthah, it seems that the sacrifice he made of his daughter was not one of burning her, but that she would not be given in marriage. Why do I say such? Because it was against bible law to commit human sacrifices in which the person is killed Deuteronomy 18:10. Then factor in certain terms used in this particualr text. She was an only child, she was a virgin, she would never be allowed to marry. If my dad was about to burn me alive, the last thing I would do is be worried about dying a virgin.
[QUOTE=Doranku]It's hard to feel bad for someone like this, honestly. Clearly this is the reaction he wanted. Why else would he record the whole thing? He went in with the intention of making a video and posting it on YouTube... who the f*ck does that?
And now he's reaping awards that even he probably never dreamed of. $90k in two days... it's actually disgusting when you think about it because this was his plan the whole time. He didn't give a shit if his parents accepted him... he was counting on them not to.
It's unfortunate that bigoted parents like his still exist in this day and age, but this dude knew what he was getting into the whole time. He exploited not only his parents, but his own homosexuality for attention and the opportunity to create a sob story and have random people donate to him.
He's just as bad as his parents.[/QUOTE]
5% blaming the parents for DISOWNING their own kid.
95% blaming the kid for recording it.
Just :facepalm
[QUOTE=97 bulls]What you're doing is distorting stories in the bible. If God had a person or group of people killed, it was because they desereved it. Theyr were either oppresing his people or their own by way of sacrificing to false gods. God has NEVER sanctioned a human sacrifice to him. In the case of Jepthah, it seems that the sacrifice he made of his daughter was not one of burning her, but that she would not be given in marriage. Why do I say such? Because it was against bible law to commit human sacrifices in which the person is killed Deuteronomy 18:10. Then factor in certain terms used in this particualr text. She was an only child, she was a virgin, she would never be allowed to marry. If my dad was about to burn me alive, the last thing I would do is be worried about dying a virgin.[/QUOTE]
The bible contradicts itself continuously. Eg. some portions are anti slavery and others are clearly pro slavery. Jepthah was burned according to the bible. She died a virgin.
[QUOTE]f my dad was about to burn me alive, the last thing I would do is be worried about dying a virgin[/QUOTE]
well its different jepthah was given a great victory in battle by god.
[QUOTE] If God had a person or group of people killed, it was because they desereved it. [/QUOTE]
God turned Lots wife into a pillar of salt
[QUOTE]But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.[/QUOTE]Genesis 19:26
God killed lots wife for looking back on the destruction of sodom. :lol
I have no problem with the death penalty. But some of the things god (according to the bible) thinks its ok to kill people for shocks me.
Speaking of Lot he is considered moral for offering up his daughter to an angry mob to be raped. He later had sex with his daughter.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]And its only a matter of time before the next group of people decide they want their way on things.[/QUOTE]
Ooh, how scary. Like pedophilia would ever be accepted in this country. It was more accepted back in the "good old days", when men were men, women were women, and blacks drank from separate water fountains.:no:
Think a 25-year old Elvis could get away with dating a 14-year old in 2014? It would ruin his career.
Another thing Mavs fan. Some aspects of the Bible are stories about the history of men and aren't so much Gods laws. Divorce is in the Bible, but the Bible also states tgat God hates a divorce. He never instituted or created divorce. But one of bis faithful servants did.
As far as slaves, they had to be treated a certain way. These weren't slaves like we know today. There were certain rules you had to follow.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Another thing Mavs fan. Some aspects of the Bible are stories about the history of men and aren't so much Gods laws. Divorce is in the Bible, but the Bible also states tgat God hates a divorce. He never instituted or created divorce. But one of bis faithful servants did.
As far as slaves, they had to be treated a certain way. These weren't slaves like we know today. There were certain rules you had to follow.[/QUOTE]
The bible has talking snakes...
[QUOTE]As far as slaves, they had to be treated a certain way. These weren't slaves like we know today. There were certain rules you had to follow[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm still on the side that the bible is wrong to justify slavery in anyway, I know the bible's version of slavery wasnt what we know as the atlantic slave trade.
Even the roman empire's version of slavery was wrong
[QUOTE=97 bulls]It's about consenting humans being able to freely make decisions about what goes on in their lives. If a 13 year old girl is attracted to a 45 year old man(which can happen), and willingly gives herself to him, which is consent, based on your reasoning, there should be nothing wrong with that.
You feel we shouldn't put restrictions on people, but then want to restrict the rights on young humans, relatives, etc.[/QUOTE]
you are incredibly stupid and do not understand the concept of consent at all.
a 13 year old is incapable of consenting to something like sex.
[quote]For an individual to give valid informed consent, three components must be present: disclosure, capacity and voluntariness.[2][3]
While Disclosure requires the researcher to supply the subject with the information necessary to make an autonomous decision, the investigators must ensure that subjects have adequate comprehension of the information provided. This latter requirement implies that the consent form be written in lay language suited for the comprehension skills of subject population, as well as assessing the level of understanding during the meeting.
Capacity pertains to the ability of the subject to both understand the information provided and form a reasonable judgment based on the potential consequences of his/her decision.
Voluntariness refers to the subject’s right to freely exercise his/her decision making without being subjected to external pressure such as coercion, manipulation, or undue influence.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent[/url]
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]there are many portions of the bible that are clearly untrue. Eg genesis If you follow the bible as a guide to life, you are accepting a book where huge portions of it are conclusively false.
secondly many of the teachings of the bible are immoral
Eg. justifying slavery
As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a female slave look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the LORD our God, till he shows us his mercy. (Psalm 123:2)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. (Ephesians 6:5-6)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. (Colossians 3:22)
Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, (Titus 2:9)
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.(Peter 2:18)
God according to the bible is genocidal
God according to the bible has some kinky ideas about daughters
The old testament was written/compiled by the leaders of the jewish faith. The new testament was written/compiled by the richest and most powerful men of the first century western world. The King James bible (the most common version of the new testament we see in america) was a version compiled in the 16th century by english aristocrats/lords and the church of england.
The bible is meant as a form of control. it stresses lessons meant to control society. Eg. dont worry about being a poor slave, if you rebel you will burn in hell, but if you stay submissive and meek, you shall inherit the earth and the rich man's chances of entering the gates of heaven are the same as a camel passing through the eye of a needle. basically dont do anything about being poor, when you die you will have unimaginable luxury.
That is the overarching purpose of the bible. But it has other lessons too. Dont kill, (if our tribe kills each other, we wont have enough people to fight other tribes), Reproduce a lot (more soldiers), Don't eat shellfish ( you might die of red tide poisoning), etc[/QUOTE]
Ok now this is a diatribe :oldlol:
It's pretty disingenuous to paint the entire Bible in the cynical blood thirsty fashion you just did in the above post.
Clearly you just have an axe to grind with followers of the Bible. Many devout Christians are extremely light hearted, peaceful people who are much more disciplined and kind than most non-believers.
Note: I am not a Christian, have many many criticisms of them and do not believe in the Bible, although I do feel there is some great wisdom included.