Jordan's help. Wow.

First 3Peat ;

Pippen - Second greatest defender of small forwards in nba history . Great playmaker nearly as Jordan . Solid points producer . Great rebounder for his position .

Grant - He could main rebounder in every team. Solid rim protector , good on ball defender and versatile defender . Solid playmaker for his position . And averaged scorer .

B.J - Just good scorer and good guard .

Paxson - Solid sharpshooter , who is saved 93 finals ..


Second 3Peat ;

Pippen - Better defender and better playmaker than Jordan in 96 and 98 .

Harper - Solid perimeter defender . Solid playmaker . And great physicality .

Kukoc - Like Gasol,Gino ; he had technicality of Europe . All around player , great offensive producer . Solid playmaker . Good perimeter defender .

Rodman - Greatest rebounder in history . Versatile defender . Great man to defender .

Kerr - Good sharpshooter .

[QUOTE=3ball]

[B]My theory is that MJ played goat defense, which your stats don't refute.. But let me demonstrate how dumb you are for using DPBM and DWS:[/B]


[COLOR="Green"][I]Bird[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Career DPBM[/I]: 2.5[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"][I]Pippen Career DPBM[/I]: 2.4[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"][I]Bird[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Career DRtg[/I]: 101[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"][I]Pippen Career DRtg[/I]: 102[/COLOR]


I'm too lazy to do the math right now, but Bird had better DWS too.. So WHY does Bird have higher defensive stats than Pippen???... Because these stats are based on individual defensive rating (DRtg), which is based on TEAM performance.. This is from basketball-reference:


[INDENT]"[I]Out of necessity (due to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), [COLOR="Navy"]individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses[/COLOR], as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute.[/I]"[/INDENT]


I've had to post the above definition many times to educate posters about DRtg, and subsequently DPBM and DWS... Now you know.. These stats results in hundreds if not thousands of similarly erroneous conclusions like Bird > Pippen defensively.

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[B]What's up Smoke?

Cat got your tongue?[/B]


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Bulls were a "miracle shot" away from being swept? News to me.

If that shot (which if missed would actually have sent to game to OT; and if won by the Knicks would actually have just put them up 3-0) is what kept the Bulls from being swept, then that BS call on Scottie in game 5 is what kept the Bulls from beating the eventual East champions.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]Bulls were a "miracle shot" away from being swept? News to me.

If that shot (which if missed would actually have sent to game to OT; and if won by the Knicks would actually have just put them up 3-0) is what kept the Bulls from being swept, then that BS call on Scottie in game 5 is what kept the Bulls from beating the eventual East champions.[/QUOTE]

1993 Finals Game 6 , Jordan passed to the Pippen , Pippen passed to the inside , Grant and Grant passed to the open 3's guy Paxson , that was good set from Phil when Jordan made two airball and four misses of his last five shots .

If Paxson was missed that shot , Suns would win the Game 7 with their momentum .

[QUOTE=feyki]1993 Finals Game 6 , Jordan passed to the Pippen , Pippen passed to the inside , Grant and Grant passed to the open 3's guy Paxson , that was good set from Phil when Jordan made two airball and four misses of his last five shots .

If Paxson was missed that shot , Suns would win the Game 7 with their momentum .[/QUOTE]
Same thing in 98. If Jordan doesn't hit that miracle shot then the Jazz, with the momentum, win game 7 at home.

[QUOTE=feyki]1993 Finals Game 6 , Jordan passed to the Pippen , Pippen passed to the inside , Grant and Grant passed to the open 3's guy Paxson , that was good set from Phil when Jordan made two airball and four misses of his last five shots .

If Paxson was missed that shot , [B]Suns would win the Game 7 with their momentum [/B].[/QUOTE]

Doubt it.

[QUOTE=feyki]1993 Finals Game 6 , Jordan passed to the Pippen , Pippen passed to the inside , Grant and Grant passed to the open 3's guy Paxson , that was good set from Phil when Jordan made two airball and four misses of his last five shots .

If Paxson was missed that shot , Suns would win the Game 7 with their momentum .[/QUOTE]

How many people scored points in that 4th quarter before Paxson made his shot?

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]How many people scored points in that 4th quarter before Paxson made his shot?[/QUOTE]

:applause:

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]Same thing in 98. If Jordan doesn't hit that miracle shot then the Jazz, with the momentum, win game 7 at home.[/QUOTE]

Yes , with clear offensive foul .

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]How many people scored points in that 4th quarter before Paxson made his shot?[/QUOTE]

I guess Suns made 19 points , Bulls made 7 points in 4thquarter .

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[QUOTE=feyki]Yes , with clear offensive foul .



I guess Suns made 19 points , Bulls made 7 points in 4thquarter .[/QUOTE]

Jordan had scored all 9 4th quarter points for the Bulls before Paxson's 3.

[QUOTE=Wade's Rings]Jordan had scored all 9 4th quarter points for the Bulls before Paxson's 3.[/QUOTE]

So ? Where was Jordan's great playming ? Or Defence ( Steal the ball and run for fastbreak ) ?

Bulls and Jordan got annihilated in 4 quarter and Paxson save their ass .

[QUOTE=feyki]So ? Where was Jordan's great playming ? Or Defence ( Steal the ball and run for fastbreak ) ?

Bulls and Jordan got annihilated in 4 quarter and Paxson save their ass .[/QUOTE]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

His teammates didn't score. You can give someone a great shot but they miss it happens. Jordan sensed the moment and realized he had to score and he did it.

You act like it's easy for players to get multiple steals and blocks in 1 quarter, just because he didn't get 1 it doesn't mean he played bad defense.

Jordan scored all of the Bulls' points and kept the Bulls in the Game before Paxson's 3 but yeah Paxson saved his ass

You're a f*cking moron.

[QUOTE=Wade's Rings*]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

His teammates didn't score. You can give someone a great shot but they miss it happens. Jordan sensed the moment and realized he had to score and he did it.

You act like it's easy for players to get multiple steals and blocks in 1 quarter, just because he didn't get 1 it doesn't mean he played bad defense.

Jordan scored all of the Bulls' points and kept the Bulls in the Game before Paxson's 3 but yeah Paxson saved his ass

You're a f*cking moron.[/QUOTE]



feyki's making some valid points

But you're too biased to notice :sleeping

[QUOTE=Wade's Rings]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

His teammates didn't score. You can give someone a great shot but they miss it happens. Jordan sensed the moment and realized he had to score and he did it.

You act like it's easy for players to get multiple steals and blocks in 1 quarter, just because he didn't get 1 it doesn't mean he played bad defense.

Jordan scored all of the Bulls' points and kept the Bulls in the Game before Paxson's 3 but yeah Paxson saved his ass

You're a f*cking moron.[/QUOTE]


Dirk didn't airball or misses most of his clutch shots when his team struggled you f.kking f.g flopper fanboy .

Jordan sucked in 4 quarter and like you , mindless fanboys can't take it .