A guy in NZ just live streamed himself shooting up a mosque

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Primitive death cult religion will never be the mainstream in modernized countries. Sorry, pal. Plenty of Muslim reformers agree with me. Why subjugate your women? Why follow a violent ideology such as Sharia? No thanks. [B]Ya'll may walk the streets of London and Toronto and feel modernized, but your brains are still back in the stone age.[/B][/QUOTE]
Edited your post to add this one sentence. :roll:


Serious question. How many muslims have you interacted with in person in the last year? Exchanging at least a few sentences?


If anyone is running outdated archaic hardware it's probably the close-minded bitter mental midget who spends his time slandering and speaking poorly about people he knows nothing about.


Just saying.

[QUOTE=red1]You do realize that there is such a thing as a secular/moderate muslim?

Live and let live - I don't see any muslims storming churches and synagogues handing out the Quran trying to convert people.

We've had this discussion before - no one is trying to convert you. You're just repeating the same bullshit talking points that have been beaten to death in the last 20 years.

This is a free country so you're more than welcome to keep spouting your irrational views. Live and let live - do what you like. I'll keep putting you in your place though if you don't mind. I have no problem smacking a moron around. Consider it tough love.[/QUOTE]


Moderate Muslims are a myth. That's a Muslim that hates Radical Islam, but still has a negative view towards the West, Israel, forces his wife to wear a hijab, and decries Islamophobia at every turn.

Secular Reformist Muslims I can get behind.

[QUOTE=red1]Edited your post to add this one sentence. :roll:


Serious question. How many muslims have you interacted with in person in the last year? Exchanging at least a few sentences?


If anyone is running outdated archaic hardware it's probably the close-minded bitter mental midget who spends his time slandering and speaking poorly about people he knows nothing about.


Just saying.[/QUOTE]


I don't go out seeking Muslims. I have nothing in common with them. Meeting and speaking to one of them will not change my mind. You've chosen to follow a religion with such a bloody history at its inception, that I question how anyone can follow that religion today. You read about the violence, the beheadings, you read about Aisha becoming his bride at age 9, and then you still decide that this is a religion you want to follow? Good lord.

I mean, let's talk about the word and the meaning of the word, "Caliphate". Do the Jews or Christians have such a word like this? I think not.


Why are there 193 Jewish Nobel laureates, and only 12 Muslim ones?

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing][B]Moderate Muslims are a myth.[/B] That's a Muslim that hates Radical Islam, but still has a negative view towards the West, Israel, forces his wife to wear a hijab, and decries Islamophobia at every turn.

Secular Reformist Muslims I can get behind.[/QUOTE]
No it's not. You're just making shit up as you go along. There are a ton of muslims who love and contribute to their country in the west. Yeah there are a ton of ignorant people who complain but that goes for everyone coming from every angle in modern society including you.

Regardless, no on will ever impose Sharia law on you. Relax buddy. English common law is doing the job just fine.

If you can get behind secular muslims then you're fine. Just stop generalizing so much.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]I don't go out seeking Muslims. I have nothing in common with them. Meeting and speaking to one of them will not change my mind. You've chosen to follow a religion with such a bloody history at its inception, that I question how anyone can follow that religion today. You read about the violence, the beheadings, you read about Aisha becoming his bride at age 9, and then you still decide that this is a religion you want to follow? Good lord.

I mean, let's talk about the word and the meaning of the word, "Caliphate". Do the Jews or Christians have such a word like this? I think not.


Why are there 193 Jewish Nobel laureates, and only 12 Muslim ones?[/QUOTE]
This post is the exact reason why you always get slapped around in these discussions. It's because you literally know nothing about the subject that you keep speaking about.

Your logic is extremely poor as well. If we're going to label muslims bloodthirsty and equate ISIS with the average muslim then that same argument can be turned on it's head when you look at the countless civilians around the world that the US military kills on a yearly basis. Are you personally responsible for the 100k+ innocent civilians that were killed in the Iraq war? Of course not.

Islam is not about violence. No matter what your fake media keeps telling you. That's just not what the religion is about. Period.

Funny how your side - the blaming foreigners for all of their problems side - is now the one decrying and complaining about fake news. Muslims spent years saying that the news constantly showed only one side - now Trump and his supporters Mr. Muslim ban himself and his merry band of xenophobes are making the same complaint about the media. The comedy writes itself. :roll:

[QUOTE=red1]This post is the exact reason why you always get slapped around in these discussions. It's because you literally know nothing about the subject that you keep speaking about.

Your logic is extremely poor as well. If we're going to label muslims bloodthirsty and equate ISIS with the average muslim then that same argument can be turned on it's head when you look at the countless civilians around the world that the US military kills on a yearly basis. Are you personally responsible for the 100k+ innocent civilians that were killed in the Iraq war? Of course not.

Islam is not about violence. No matter what your fake media keeps telling you. That's just not what the religion is about. Period.

Funny how your side - the blaming foreigners for all of their problems side - is now the one decrying and complaining about fake news. Muslims spent years saying that the news constantly showed only one side - now Trump and his supporters Mr. Muslim ban himself and his merry band of xenophobes are making the same complaint about the media. The comedy writes itself. :roll:[/QUOTE]


What have I said about Islam that's incorrect?


And don't be one of those people that point to something else as some type of deflection or equivalency. The US Military is not a "Christian Army" or any nonsense like that.

And who's blaming foreigners? Again, you're moving the goal posts. Let's focus on Islam and its stranglehold on those in the Middle East. Why is their Sharia Law in the first place?

Pat, be nice bro...these Muslims here aren't the problem.

Save your poison for the wackos within Islam, which clearly is not the majority.

Act Christian and accept them as brothers and defend yourself against the Islamists who would murder other Muslims as well as non Muslims. Those should be your target, not your ISH brethren.

:cheers:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing][B]What have I said about Islam that's incorrect?[/B]


And don't be one of those people that point to something else as some type of deflection or equivalency. The US Military is not a "Christian Army" or any nonsense like that.

And who's blaming foreigners? Again, you're moving the goal posts. Let's focus on Islam and its stranglehold on those in the Middle East. Why is their Sharia Law in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Really? Ok.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing][B]Moderate Muslims are a myth. That's a Muslim that hates Radical Islam, but still has a negative view towards the West, Israel, forces his wife to wear a hijab, and decries Islamophobia at every turn. [/B] [/QUOTE]

Whole paragraph is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing][B]I don't go out seeking Muslims. I have nothing in common with them. Meeting and speaking to one of them will not change my mind. You've chosen to follow a religion with such a bloody history at its inception, that I question how anyone can follow that religion today. You read about the violence, the beheadings, you read about Aisha becoming his bride at age 9, and then you still decide that this is a religion you want to follow? Good lord.[/B][/QUOTE]
Your entire view is based on false information. You have nothing in common with muslims? Is that all there is to 1.8 billion people? Just violent beheaders?

[QUOTE=TheMan][B]Pat, be nice bro...these Muslims here aren't the problem.[/B]

Save your poison for the wackos within Islam, which clearly is not the majority.

Act Christian and accept them as brothers and defend yourself against the Islamists who would murder other Muslims as well as non Muslims. Those should be your target, not your ISH brethren.

:cheers:[/QUOTE]
I appreciate the gesture but we don't need chewing to be nice. Nice doesn't achieve anything.

We need him to be rational and decent. Need that from all human beings.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]And don't be one of those people that point to something else as some type of deflection or equivalency. The US Military is not a "Christian Army" or any nonsense like that.

And who's blaming foreigners? Again, you're moving the goal posts. Let's focus on Islam and its stranglehold on those in the Middle East. Why is their Sharia Law in the first place?[/QUOTE]
You're not a very logical person. What does Christianity have to do with the core point? You said how can someone support a religion with blood in it's history. That same logic applies to everything - are you also responsible for the blood on others' hands?

And you certainly do blame foreigners. Muzzies this muzzies that blah blah blah. What are you even trying to say.

[QUOTE=red1]Really? Ok.



Whole paragraph is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.


Your entire view is based on false information. You have nothing in common with muslims? Is that all there is to 1.8 billion people? Just violent beheaders?[/QUOTE]


LOL I think I know more about Islam than you do. What am I wrong about? The beheadings? Let's ask the Jews of Banu Qurayza about that (verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10).

Am I wrong about the violence? Here are 101 Military campaigns directly tied to Muhammad himself. ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad[/url])


So again, what am I incorrect about when it comes to Islam?


And answer my question though, why does Sharia Law exist?

[QUOTE=TheMan]Pat, be nice bro...these Muslims here aren't the problem.

Save your poison for the wackos within Islam, which clearly is not the majority.

Act Christian and accept them as brothers and defend yourself against the Islamists who would murder other Muslims as well as non Muslims. Those should be your target, not your ISH brethren.

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2013/04/gsi2-overview-1.png[/IMG]

:confusedshrug:

I think there's definite legitimate cultural and political questions to be asked about these individuals countries who support this - and whether or not the values of these countries translate to the immigrants that come to western countries. This looks like a clear majority to me considering the population of places like Indonesia and Malaysia.

Dudes, can you stop generalizing people regarding their religions, races or anything? It is disgusting...

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]LOL I think I know more about Islam than you do. What am I wrong about? The beheadings? Let's ask the Jews of Banu Qurayza about that (verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10).

Am I wrong about the violence? Here are 101 Military campaigns directly tied to Muhammad himself. ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad[/url])


So again, what am I incorrect about when it comes to Islam?


And answer my question though, why does Sharia Law exist?[/QUOTE]
How many times do I have to tell you. It's like talking to a brick wall. You can dig up passages from the quran all day long. Can probably find verses in the bible as well.

That doesn't mean that modern muslims - especially muslims in western countries - are violent or bloodthirsty. Which is [B]exactly[/B] the image you're trying to paint. And that is factually wrong.

Implying that modern muslims in western countries are violent or bloodthirsty [B]is wrong[/B].

You straight up admit that you don't interact with or know any muslims. You literally said that. Perhaps you should refrain from having such a strong opinion with such an admitted lack of knowledge? That's what an intelligent person would do.

France, a majority Christian nation, getting sh!t on within their own borders

541 anti-Semitic acts
101 anti-Muslim acts
1063 anti-Christian acts

[url]https://international.la-croix.com/news/the-worrying-return-of-anti-semitism/9450#[/url]

Anyone want to guess what these figures will look like in 20 years?

[QUOTE=Hawker][IMG]http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2013/04/gsi2-overview-1.png[/IMG]

:confusedshrug:

I think there's definite legitimate cultural and political questions to be asked about these individuals countries who support this - and whether or not the values of these countries translate to the immigrants that come to western countries. This looks like a clear majority to me considering the population of places like Indonesia and Malaysia.[/QUOTE]
It would never happen. You would get pushback from muslims in western countries as well. I know that because I am one of them.

A country's laws should be secular with the freedom to practice religion. The united states constitution got that right.