Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14028924]We get it. Every 90's All-NBA player was better than Pippen according to unbiased fans who randomly hate a random 90's superstar (impossible to determine why Drexler, Robinson, Ewing, etc. don't get the same hate. What, what could it be?) while loving Pippen's teammate. Therefore, Pippen belongs in the class of random all-stars (if he is below every all-NBA player).
The real question for "Pippen haters" (whoever they might be!) is what stars was Pippen actually better than? When I asked your intellectual leader his response was Detlef Schrempf, Sean Elliott, etc. Crazy but at least he stepped up to the plate and said it versus implying it like other "Pippen haters" do.
RRR and Smoke, when have you seen these guys ever say Pippen was better than anyone?[/QUOTE]
I'm shocked 3ball said Pippen was better than Schrempf tbh. Sean Elliott was hardly a star (unless he was a great defender? Was he?), so that's not too surprising. I've never seen BigShotSlob say Pippen>anyone tbh. But he also said neither LeBron or Shaq are top 10 all time so I wouldn't really pay much attention to him.
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=Smoke117;14028659]lol Yeah it's not like he was well past his prime at 33 with a ****ed up body or anything. It's easy to last a long time when you don't do anything but shoot like Reggie Miller. He didn't ****ing do anything else that's for damn sure. Defense, rebounding, etc....foreign concepts to your hero.[/QUOTE]
With that said was he worth Roy freakin Rogers :roll:
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=RRR3;14028929]I'm shocked 3ball said Pippen was better than Schrempf tbh. Sean Elliott was hardly a star (unless he was a great defender? Was he?), so that's not too surprising. I've never seen BigShotSlob say Pippen>anyone tbh. But he also said neither LeBron or Shaq are top 10 all time so I wouldn't really pay much attention to him.[/QUOTE]
The thing is those guys simply say the quiet part out loud. Look at all these other guys in every Pippen thread. The implication is the same. Pippen is worse than every single all-NBA player whose name comes up. Even random names. It also is never "well, Ewing and Pippen are close but I go with Ewing." It's Pippen is trash. Ewing, Miller, Kemp, XYZ all are vastly better. So if he is light years behind even borderline All-NBA guys like Miller (a couple third teams), what does that imply he was?
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=Smoke117;14028659] It's easy to last a long time when you don't do anything but shoot like Reggie Miller. He didn't ****ing do anything else that's for damn sure. Defense, rebounding, etc....foreign concepts to your hero.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube_share;If8C9FcTyHk]https://youtu.be/If8C9FcTyHk[/video]
Clutch three.
Steals the ball defensively.
Another clutch trey.
Starks misses the free throw and he gets the clutch rebound.
Gets fouled and proceeds to hit the game winning free throws.
Gets the game winning defensive stop at the end.
"But he didnt play defense doe" :roll:
Pippen meanwhile....
[video=youtube_share;mc6nj1p1s-g]https://youtu.be/mc6nj1p1s-g[/video]
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14028969][video=youtube_share;If8C9FcTyHk]https://youtu.be/If8C9FcTyHk[/video]
Clutch three.
Steals the ball defensively.
Another clutch trey.
Starks misses the free throw and he gets the clutch rebound.
Gets fouled and proceeds to hit the game winning free throws.
Gets the game winning defensive stop at the end.
"But he didnt play defense doe" :roll:
Pippen meanwhile....
[video=youtube_share;mc6nj1p1s-g]https://youtu.be/mc6nj1p1s-g[/video][/QUOTE]
How mad does it make you that everyone ranks Pippen higher than Reggie?
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
Here's the thing with Reggie vs Pippen...
Pippen is worse than Reggie offensively and in the clutch by a margin that exceeds Pippen's defensive value.
You're comparing a bonafide 1st option playoff performer ~ 24 ppg 120 ORTG w/ ultimate clutch...
...to a guy famous for migraines, sitting out, and getting crossed by young frobe to give up a 15 point 4th quarter game 7 championship on the line lead.
Pippen was a nice top 15 impact player all NBA fella, but he wasnt a superstar stud. He was a strong glue guy who got hyped up beyond his worth playing for the most watched team of all time.
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14028969]
Gets the game winning defensive stop at the end.[/QUOTE]
that's what people miss.
Reggie was an above average defender in the playoffs especially man defense. He wasnt a guy you could pick on.
So the gap between the two on defense wasnt as big as it was for offense... where scottie was very poor.
Bad efficiency... no volume... so unclutch a ROOKIE is tasked with taking the last second biggest shot of the game over him.
it just is what it is....
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=RRR3;14028981]How mad does it make you that everyone ranks Pippen higher than Reggie?[/QUOTE]
How am I mad lol, Pippen was one of my fave players before roundball overrated him to death. If you understand basketball you wont deny players impact and ability whether they are a rival or not.
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=tpols;14028982]Here's the thing with Reggie vs Pippen...
Pippen is worse than Reggie offensively and in the clutch by a margin that exceeds Pippen's defensive value.
You're comparing a bonafide 1st option playoff performer ~ 24 ppg 120 ORTG w/ ultimate clutch...
...to a guy famous for migraines, sitting out, and getting crossed by young frobe to give up a 15 point 4th quarter game 7 championship on the line lead.
Pippen was a nice top 15 impact player all NBA fella, but he wasnt a superstar stud. He was a strong glue guy who got hyped up beyond his worth playing for the most watched team of all time.[/QUOTE]
Patrick Ewing had a playoff ORTG of 104. Yikes. Even Scottie "Andre Roberson" Pippen managed to top that (108).
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=tpols;14028990]that's what people miss.
Reggie was an above average defender in the playoffs especially man defense. He wasnt a guy you could pick on.
So the gap between the two on defense wasnt as big as it was for offense... where scottie was very poor.
Bad efficiency... no volume... so unclutch a ROOKIE is tasked with taking the last second biggest shot of the game over him.
it just is what it is....[/QUOTE]
There are no stats that support Pippen being "very poor" on offense. This is why no one takes you seriously about this stuff. You make ridiculously hyperbolic claims (i.e., "Giannis is bad at basketball"). If you just said what you actually meant, you could probably have a more honest debate with people. At least I hope you don't actually believe those thing and are being hyperbolic. Giving you the benefit of the doubt here to be nice.
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14028992]How am I mad lol, Pippen was one of my fave players before roundball overrated him to death. If you understand basketball you wont deny players impact and ability whether they are a rival or not.[/QUOTE]
Roundball's ranks Pippen pretty similarly to where he's generally ranked tbh. He definitely is hyperfocused on this subject, because Pippen is his favorite player of all time and he's a stan, but he generally is making good points. I can't really demonize him for being a stan since everyone knows I'm an enormous LeBron stan.
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=RRR3;14028997]There are no stats that support Pippen being "very poor" on offense. This is why no one takes you seriously about this stuff. You make ridiculously hyperbolic claims (i.e., "Giannis is bad at basketball"). If you just said what you actually meant, you could probably have a more honest debate with people. At least I hope you don't actually believe those thing and are being hyperbolic. Giving you the benefit of the doubt here to be nice.[/QUOTE]
relative to reggie he was poor.
1994 "peak MVP" pippen had a 104 ORTG in the playoffs. Compared to a 120 ORTG career average for Miller?
That's poor.
The contrast of clutch moments is just icing on the cake.
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=RRR3;14028999]Roundball's ranks Pippen pretty similarly to where he's generally ranked tbh. He definitely is hyperfocused on this subject, because Pippen is his favorite player of all time and he's a stan, but he generally is making good points. I can't really demonize him for being a stan since everyone knows I'm an enormous LeBron stan.[/QUOTE]
Sure but he overeacts when his idol gets compared to his peers thinking Pippen is some sort of irreplaceable legend that did no wrong. He has some good points but a ton of double standards and cherry picked ones thus being called out by multiple posters. Add the fact that everyone that opposses his views about Pippen is apparently a "Jordan stan" and you have the recipe for one of the worst posters on Ish.
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=tpols;14029001][B]relative to reggie he was poor. [/B]
1994 "peak MVP" pippen had a 104 ORTG in the playoffs. Compared to a 120 ORTG career average for Miller?
That's poor.
The contrast of clutch moments is just icing on the cake.[/QUOTE]
That's not what you said tho. See my point?
Re: 1994 Pippen should have been mvp
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14029003]Sure but he overeacts when his idol gets compared to his peers thinking Pippen is some sort of irreplaceable legend that did no wrong. He has some good points but a ton of double standards and cherry picked ones thus being called out by multiple posters. Add the fact that everyone that opposses his views about Pippen is apparently a "Jordan stan" and you have the recipe for one of the worst posters on Ish.[/QUOTE]
He's become paranoid about MJ stans yeah. I love how badly he gets 3ball tho
