Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14433446]Yeah i think the burden of proof thing is tricky because there's data, experts and articles out there that support their reasons why everyone one should mask, vaccine or whatever. Sure these experts, data and articles may be untruthful or just plain wrong but they don't know that. They believe it's forthright. They believe they have the burden of truth just like we can sight contradictory articles, data and experts that claim otherwise. That's the problem with this shit. There's so much misinformation and conflicting data it's hard to tell what to believe. I was raised to question authority and think for yourself so i just look at data and things being said and apply common sense and or science to it and often the answer is there. Certain basic principles like natural antibodies are as good or more effective than the vaccine. This has always been common knowledge until covid where the media and cdc managed to scare people into abandoning science and common sense and believe antibodies didn't matter with covid.

The crazy shit is i think if all these entities were honest and understanding and didn't tell lies or unknown truths from jump and just allowed for honest open debate and discussion way more people would of taken the vaccine. Or maybe if they allowed open debate and discussion it would be clear that alot of what they're saying is b.s. i really don't know what to believe anymore.[/QUOTE]

LMAO . Use common sense. Consider the source . Legit science journalism with a reputation to protect will not put out random articles to push some agenda. I see a echo chamber on both side especially when they are piggybacking a political propaganda and the ones why usually fall for this are the ones with a form confirmation bias:

The only thing that scares me is the more virus that are circulating, the more chance of evolving and the last thing we want is a variant that ultimately affect our children. The only pragmatic solution is preventable measures.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14434898]13-Year-Old Dies in Sleep After Receiving Pfizer COVID Vaccine; CDC Investigating

[url]https://www.newsweek.com/13-year-old-dies-sleep-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cdc-investigating-1606529[/url][/QUOTE]


Myocarditis is a known side effect which can effect young people which is probably why the vaccines still arent approved for kids 12 and under. This kid was 13 so right on the edge.

Myocarditis apparently affects boys more than girls.

[QUOTE] The heart complications are more likely to occur in boys and young men, the analysis found, and the most common symptoms are chest pain, shortness of breath, and the sensation of having a rapid heartbeat, a fluttering, or pounding heart.

As of Monday, [B]780 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have been reported[/B] to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System among people ages 30 and younger who had received a COVID-19 vaccine.

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[url]https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/[/url]

When you consider the millions of doses that have been given out i guess the key question is whether the risk of this side effect is greater than the risk of Covid.


[QUOTE] Less than a month into the new school year, the U.S. is seeing a record number of children hospitalized for COVID-19. According to data from the CDC, [B]the hospitalization rate for children under 18 is five times what it was in June[/B], and the New York Times reports that nearly 30,000 adolescents and children were hospitalized for coronavirus in August.

[B]But the spike in hospitalizations is especially concerning given the capacity of pediatric ICU units, which average just 12 beds per hospital. In Louisiana and Texas, some children’s hospitals are completely overwhelmed, with federal “surge teams” bringing emergency workers in to help.[/B]

While vaccines, which are playing a key role in keeping people with COVID-19 infections out of hospitals, are still not available for kids under 12, adult vaccinations seem to be minimizing the number of sick children. [B]The ten most vaccinated states haven’t seen much change in their pediatric hospitalization rates, while the biggest increases are happening in states with low vaccination rates[/B]. Doctors in overrun ICUs are also urging all adults, vaccinated or not, to wear masks and socially distance in public, especially if they’re coming into contact with children.



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[url]https://www.thecut.com/2021/09/a-record-number-of-kids-are-being-hospitalized-for-covid.html[/url]

The parents of that kid should fine Pfizer millions

The risk of Covid for healthy people under the age of 60 is virtually 0

The vaccine is only worth it if you're over 60 or not in good health and even then it should be optional

[QUOTE=Manny98;14434951]The parents of that kid should fine Pfizer millions

The risk of Covid for healthy people under the age of 60 is virtually 0

The vaccine is only worth it if you're over 60 or not in good health and even then it should be optional[/QUOTE]



30k kids currently in the hospital for covid argues otherwise.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14434954]30k kids currently in the hospital for covid argues otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Deaths from COVID ‘incredibly rare’ among children

[QUOTE]A comprehensive analysis of hospital admissions and reported deaths across England suggests that COVID-19 carries a lower risk of dying or requiring intensive care among children and young people than was previously thought.

In a series of preprints published on medRxiv1–3, a team of researchers picked through all hospital admissions and deaths reported for people younger than 18 in England. The studies found that COVID-19 caused 25 deaths in that age group between March 2020 and February 2021.

About half of those deaths were in individuals with an underlying complex disability with high health-care needs, such as tube feeding or assistance with breathing.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w[/url]

In case you didn't notice their study group ended in Feb 2021, well before the Delta variant became the dominant strain.

Why do you think 30k kids are currently in the hospital with Covid?

Tontoz has to be working for the ministry of truth at this point. :oldlol:

This little bitch does nothing but non stop fear monger. Useful idiot as Yuri Bezmenov would put it.

[video=youtube_share;Z1EA2ohrt5Q]https://youtu.be/Z1EA2ohrt5Q[/video]

Tpols with yet another post completely devoid of any useful data or analysis. The only thing he is good for is hitting a button.









[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/panic.jpg[/IMG]

I'm not the one panicking. You are. :oldlol:

You took the bait hook line and sinker. Keep spamming your fear and being a useful idiot.

Yuri breaks down the process with which governments break down their citizens psychologically to an absolute tee. I know your attention span is too short to watch the video but I will be providing cliff notes on it soon.

[QUOTE=tpols;14434986]I'm not the one panicking. You are. :oldlol:

You took the bait hook line and sinker. Keep spamming your fear and being a useful idiot.

Yuri breaks down the process with which governments break down their citizens psychologically to an absolute tee. I know your attention span is too short to watch the video but I will be providing cliff notes on it soon.[/QUOTE]


Right because a Russian spy vid is so relevant to the effectiveness of COVID vaccines.

:facepalm

[QUOTE=tontoz;14434970]In case you didn't notice their study group ended in Feb 2021, well before the Delta variant became the dominant strain.

Why do you think 30k kids are currently in the hospital with Covid?[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked they were about 1.5k kids hospitalized in the US, don't know where you got 30k from

In the UK the amount of young people that have died of Covid has yet to hit the 100s

[QUOTE=tontoz;14434991]Right because a Russian spy vid is so relevant to the effectiveness of COVID vaccines.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

See... you didn't watch the video.

Yuri explains how its only in American movies and Hollywood that KGB does nothing but spy. He explains in this video that espionage is only 15% of KGB duty and 85% of their effort is spent on the ideological subversion of their own citizenry through use of propaganda to eventually control how they think and their lives as a whole.

He literally broke it down 40 years ago what's going to happen and explained what is going on today.

[B]Stage 1 [/B]Demoralization - 20+ years to mold minds of a new generation

[B]Stage 2[/B] De-stabilization - collapse economy, start wars and pit people against each other ~ aka us vs terrorists, vax vs unvax, this group vs that group, me vs you etc.

[B]Stage 3[/B] Crisis - worldwide COVID hysteria.

[B]Stage 4[/B] Normalization - you do whatever the **** we say, give up all bodily autonomy and essentially belong as property to the state. Personal freedom gone. Total top down control established and enforced.

He spelled it out word for word because he lived it in the Soviet union.

Your stance is so myopic and short sighted its not even ****ing funny. You are a useful idiot who can't see the big picture [I]and think this is all just about a vaccine. [/I]

I can't say the guy didn't call it 1000%.

Fitting that you are posting conspiracy nut nonsense on Sept 11.

I have watched a lot of the vids and read a lot of the articles that people debating me have posted. I am not watching conspiracy nut vids.

4.5 million have died worldwide due to the.virus, not govt mind.control.

:facepalm

Nice deflection sheep.

People like you are why this world is headed where its headed.

[QUOTE=tpols;14435015]Nice deflection sheep.

People like you are why this world is headed where its headed.[/QUOTE]


So do you have any info on the virus, vaccine or treatment? Maybe you should.make a separate thread for govt mind control vids. :oldlol: