C. Paul: "He can't guard me!"

[QUOTE=mjbulls23]on second thought, I am getting more and more impressed every game I've seen him play this season, which really hasn't been very many games to be honest.

If he keeps this play up through next season then maybe we can call him the best peak PG since Magic. Until then I think its just too early IMO. :ohwell:[/QUOTE]


I can see your reasoning bro, but I just look at it differently. :cheers:

I mean, if a guy is playing at a certain level, I don't need to see a season or two more. My point is that he is AT that level.

He may fall off next year, or the year after, or next series etc.. But now IMO he is playing CURRENTLY at a level I haven't seen since the great Magic Johnson.

[QUOTE=Glove_20]What Chris Paul has done this year truly is amazing. Where does he rank with the other Great PGs?


I'd say he is better than Nash, Kidd, or Stockton have ever been. However, I'd say he is not better than GP or KJ. Close and could go either way, but I'd give the edges to GP and KJ. KJ was very similar to CP3 in the things he did. Both PGs could score efficiently and spread the ball around.

I heard someone say that KJ couldn't do what CP3 has done this year and that is incorrect. Kevin Johnson led his Suns to not 1, but two 55+ win seasons without Barkley. He did that putting up similar to or better numbers than Chris Paul as well.


I'd say both KJ and CP3 are pretty close. Both can score well, and pass well. Both are solid defenders too. However, KJ scored more efficiently. Compare their season numbers in their most important statistics:


[B]C.Paul

21.1ppg
11.6apg
48.8% FG


K.Johnson

22.5ppg
11.4apg
49.9% FG

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As you can see, it's very close, but KJ has the edge. Truth is KJ has been doing what CP3 has done this year for 4 years of his peak.

Not to mention Kevin Johnson that year in 1990 took his team to the WCF.





So I wouldn't put CP3 over Kevin Johnson yet. Though I'd put him over Stockton, Kidd, or Nash at their peaks.[/QUOTE]



Wait a minute. Even taking KJ's BEST year, which you did, you neglected to point out that...

[B]CP3- 2.71 SPG
KJ in that year- 1.28 SPG


CP3 - 2.51 TO
KJ in that year- 3.55 TO

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I mean the numbers you posted were close, but THESE numbers are DRASTICALLY different in CP3's favor.

CP3 SPG/TO is over 1/1 where KJ's is almost 1 to 3; a HUUUGE difference.
CP3 is just CRAZY efficient.

KJ was good, don't get me wrong, but if you watched these last two games, and this season as a whole, CP3 is playing at a level never touched by KJ.

The Hornets would not IMO have won 55 games in this Western Conference with KJ. Flat out.

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]Wait a minute. Even taking KJ's BEST year, which you did, you neglected to point out that...

[B]CP3- 2.71 SPG
KJ in that year- 1.28 SPG


CP3 - 2.51 TO
KJ in that year- 3.55 TO

[/B]
I mean the numbers you posted were close, but THESE numbers are DRASTICALLY different in CP3's favor.

CP3 SPG/TO is over 1/1 where KJ's is almost 1 to 3; a HUUUGE difference.
CP3 is just CRAZY efficient.

KJ was good, don't get me wrong, but if you watched these last two games, and this season as a whole, CP3 is playing at a level never touched by KJ.

The Hornets would not IMO have won 55 games in this Western Conference with KJ. Flat out.[/QUOTE]


Well I took "One of" KJ's best seasons. You could make an argument for some other seasons being KJ's best.

Let me throw another one at you:


22.2ppg
10.1apg
51.6% FG
2.1spg

And this is actually the only year in history where someone got 20/10/50%/2spg.

Paul had a higher Assist to TO ratio, while KJ had a higher FG%. Steals don't tell the whole story on defense, and their steals are still close. I'd give KJ the edge on defense, but it could go either way. Statistically KJ was a better scorer, while Paul a better passer. KJ averaged more points and had a higher FG% by nearly 3% while Paul got one more assist and had a higher Assist to TO Ratio.


And let's remember what kind of team KJ took. Similar to Paul's situation actually.

Kevin Johnson took a lottery 28 win Sun's team to the WCF the following year in his 1st full year in Phoenix. So Kevin Johnson also made quite a winning impact.

The big difference is those KJ teams were much faster paced. Also he never shot 3's.

[QUOTE=BIZARRO]I can see your reasoning bro, but I just look at it differently. :cheers:

I mean, if a guy is playing at a certain level, I don't need to see a season or two more. My point is that he is AT that level.

He may fall off next year, or the year after, or next series etc.. But now IMO he is playing CURRENTLY at a level I haven't seen since the great Magic Johnson.[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

CP3 is filthy. Deron who? Deron huh?

[QUOTE=yobore]The big difference is those KJ teams were much faster paced. Also he never shot 3's.[/QUOTE]

That is true, however the player who was able to generate such a pace was Kevin Johnson.

3 pointers weren't used as much back in the day, if they were though you could expect KJ to get a little more points as well.

[QUOTE=GOBB]CP3 is filthy. Deron who? Deron huh?[/QUOTE]

If they matchup, CP3 will get the best of him in in this years playoffs! Book it!

lol@not being better than KJ and GP. Typical.

[QUOTE=GOBB]lol@not being better than KJ and GP. Typical.[/QUOTE]
Whats wrong? He's not better than either KJ or GP.

[QUOTE=Glove_20]Whats wrong? He's not better than either KJ or GP.[/QUOTE]

Only in your head. :roll:

[QUOTE=DuMa]trash talk on the court = bueno
[B]trash talk off the court = no bueno.
[/B]
and the first game of the series is all about intimidation. that was the word of the weekend. everyone was trying to intimidate the other team.[/QUOTE]

DeShawn Stevenson. :rockon:

[QUOTE=grimreaper1377]DeShawn Stevenson. :rockon:[/QUOTE]
You mean Deshawn "The new living legend" Stevenson.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Only in your head. :roll:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
My head best represents reality

But you are one of the posters who more just says things. I am a poster who more backs up myself with arguments, and reasonably chooses the side that has stronger arguments.

[QUOTE=Glove_20]:rolleyes:
My head best represents reality

But you are one of the posters who more just says things. I am a poster who more backs up myself with arguments, and reasonably chooses the side that has stronger arguments.[/QUOTE]

You're biased and all you care about is GP/KJ when it comes to comparisons. You value and rate them (KJ really) so much its hilarious. GP is a stud, so we'll leave him out the equation but your love affair with KJ is comedy. But believe what you want. :pimp: