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[QUOTE] JD Shaw: The [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Hawks have signed free agent guard Trent Forrest to a two-way contract[/URL].
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/JShawNBA"]Twitter JShawNBA[/URL]
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3 straight years on a two way? What does he have to do besides improve his shooting to prove him self?
[QUOTE] Even as rumors of a Jazz rebuild swirl amid reports of trade talks involving Donovan Mitchell, Jordan Clarkson stays even-keeled. As the rain fell around us and kids yelled in the distance — pleading for Clarkson to stay in Utah and telling him that he is their favorite player — I took a serious tone and asked Clarkson how he was feeling considering everything that could potentially happen. “I’m chillin’,” he said with the wide and honest smile that has endeared him to Jazz fans for the last two years. [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/8/23296777/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-dealing-with-utah-jazz-uncertainty-will-hardy-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert?utm_campaign=nbasarah&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter"]“My mood is — I’m always good. My vibe is always good. It doesn’t change. This is my ninth year going into the league. I know how the business of basketball works.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/8/23296777/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-dealing-with-utah-jazz-uncertainty-will-hardy-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert?utm_campaign=nbasarah&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
Newly minted Jazz coach [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/8/23296777/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-dealing-with-utah-jazz-uncertainty-will-hardy-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert?utm_campaign=nbasarah&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter"]Will Hardy stopped by to meet Clarkson in person and have a brief get-to-know-you session on Saturday while Clarkson was in town, and Hardy made a solid impression with the former Sixth Man of the Year.[/URL] “I’m not that good at texting or calling people, so it was really cool to just kick it with him today and shoot the (expletive),” Clarkson said. “He’s tight. I like him a lot.”
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/8/23296777/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-dealing-with-utah-jazz-uncertainty-will-hardy-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert?utm_campaign=nbasarah&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
What Clarkson knows for sure is that he is currently on the Jazz roster, he still has many years of basketball ahead of him, and he’s ready for whatever life throws at him. [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/8/23296777/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-dealing-with-utah-jazz-uncertainty-will-hardy-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert?utm_campaign=nbasarah&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter"]“Am I happy in Utah? Yes. Do I like my teammates? Yes. I met the new coach and love him,” Clarkson said. “This is all part of what it is.[/URL] But my preparation never changes and I’m going to wake up every morning and be me and do what I do. Everything is good.”
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/8/23296777/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-dealing-with-utah-jazz-uncertainty-will-hardy-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert?utm_campaign=nbasarah&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter"]Sarah Todd @ deseret.com[/URL]
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as long as I don't have to watch you do what you do we'll all be happy!
Over the past few weeks, I’ve written or said or thought some variation of the following line countless times: the Knicks’ B-level offer is better than most of the other suitors’ A-level offers. But how true is that? Which of the Non-Knicks Six can come close to the package New York could cobble together? The [URL="https://theathletic.com/3482962/2022/08/08/donovan-mitchell-trade-nba-knicks/"]Jazz want five or six or seven first-round picks, as well as young players. The Knicks own all of their firsts as well as four from other teams: the Wizards’ in 2023, the Detroit Pistons’ in ‘23, the Dallas Mavericks’ in ‘23 and the Milwaukee Bucks’ in ‘25.[/URL] All of those are protected. They can deal up to eight first-rounders, including up to four unprotected ones. They could add at least three first-round swaps. They have attractive up-and-comers, including RJ Barrett (who we should assume would not be part of a hypothetical deal), Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin.
– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/3482962/2022/08/08/donovan-mitchell-trade-nba-knicks/"]Fred Katz @ The Athletic[/URL]
[URL="https://theathletic.com/3482962/2022/08/08/donovan-mitchell-trade-nba-knicks/"]Offering, say, five first-rounders, some of them protected, along with one young player wouldn’t come close to meeting the Jazz’s asking price. But at the same time, some teams in the running couldn’t even beat that.[/URL] And thus, we have a stalemate. For now, the Knicks know no one is coming close to them. And the Jazz want more for Mitchell than they received in that gargantuan return for Rudy Gobert.
– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/3482962/2022/08/08/donovan-mitchell-trade-nba-knicks/"]Fred Katz @ The Athletic[/URL]
[url]https://kslsports.com/490554/jazz-own-three-1st-round-picks-in-2023-is-draft-any-good/[/url]
[QUOTE]The good news for the Jazz is their own draft pick can be nearly as good as they want it to be. Depending on how few games the Jazz want to win, they can suffer enough losses throughout the season to put themselves among the worst teams in the league in hopes of landing a coveted top-five pick in next year’s draft.
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they can want to win as many as they feel like but good luck without the guy that's carried the franchise for 8 years
[QUOTE]If the 76ers season goes according to plan, the Jazz will likely end up with a pick in the 26-30 range next season, regardless of how either Houston or Brooklyn performs.
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that is the great thing about an unprotected pick. Anything can happen and has!
[QUOTE]The Wolves had the 18th pick this past June (they traded back to select Jazzman Walker Kessler) and should be expected to have a selection in the 18-25 range next season.
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they're arguably better than the Sixers
[QUOTE]As it stands, the Jazz are far too talented to finish with one of the five worst records in the NBA, even if they were to try to lose games. Ryan Smith, Danny Ainge, Justin Zanik, and David Fizdale all have work to do to deconstruct the roster beyond trading Donovan Mitchell if the Jazz want to bottom out in the NBA standings.
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they were closer to the worst record in the league when Gobert came back to get them in the playoffs Mitchell's rookie year. What talent?
[QUOTE]In full transparency, I would be surprised if the Jazz chose to make three first-round picks next season, and would say it’s far more likely they flip this final first-rounder for an additional first in the 2024 draft.
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sounds like a late first is a lottery in most years so Danny wants as many picks as he can next draft
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/08/how-is-a-utah-jazz-star-dealing-with-the-franchise-turmoil/[/url]
[QUOTE]Over the past few months, the [URL="https://thejnotes.com/"]Utah Jazz[/URL] have traded away both Royce O’Neale and Rudy Gobert, key cogs to the past few seasons for the Jazz, and with all the rumours surrounding the squads other All-Star, Donovan Mitchell, no one truly knows which direction this franchise is heading in going forward. While that certainly effects those involved, how do other Jazz players feel going forward about their roles with the team, and whether they’ll even be on the team in the coming months?
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pretty obvious the direction
[QUOTE]So what do you guys think? Should the Jazz re-tool and build a winner for fan favourites like Clarkson? Should Utah bite the bullet and move on from Clarkson while he can get them back a significant haul? How should the team proceed in 2022? As always, let us know in the comments below.
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good luck trying to win with that POS
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/09/responsible-utah-jazzs-past-success/[/url]
[QUOTE]Recently, we ran a survey asking which individual was responsible for the Utah Jazz’s success in the late 1990s. Shockingly, Jerry Sloan was the winner and two-time MVP [URL="https://www.nba.com/stats/player/252/career"]Karl Malone[/URL] came in third, behind [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html"]John Stockton[/URL].
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go watch the '88 playoffs and tell me Sloan was the reason! :facepalm
[QUOTE]Now, in my mind, Sloan is one of the greatest coaches, but the result should come from on-court performance. No one in their right mind would say that either Malone or Stockon is a top-ten player ever, but each are certainly in the top five at their respective positions. Stockton was never a better player than Maone, although he had his share of greatness. It’s weird to me that 4.4% of the voters said Stockton was more important than Malone, given that Malone was the best player for the Jazz in their two Finals appearances.
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If I'd had to choose one it would have been Stockton without a doubt. To say he was never better is ridiculous
[QUOTE]Maybe I’m undervaluing quality coaching. Sloan [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2020/05/25/jerry-sloan-utah-jazz-savior/"]was Utah basketball for several years[/URL], and he managed to keep two stars and a solid cast of role players happy and competitive for multiple decades. Maybe it’s a well-earned title. Is Phil Jackson responsible for winning with the Bulls and Lakers? Is Popovich more of a winner than Duncan? Maybe it all comes down to the bench. Either way, the Utah Jazz can claim three legends.
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too bad they just traded away the 3rd legend
[QUOTE] Former Jazz player [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Diante Garrett signed for 2022-23 with Israeli team Ironi Kiryat Ata[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Alberto De Roa @ *********[/URL]
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part of the last tank
Filipino-American guard [URL="https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/09/22/clarkson-headlines-gilas-pool-for-upcoming-fiba-window"]Jordan Clarkson will play for Gilas Pilipinas in the upcoming window of the FIBA World Cup Asian Qualifiers,[/URL] the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) confirmed on Tuesday. This marks the first time that Clarkson, who plays for the Utah Jazz in the NBA, will suit up for the Philippines since the 2018 Asian Games in Jakarta, Indonesia.
– via [URL="https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/09/22/clarkson-headlines-gilas-pool-for-upcoming-fiba-window"]ABS-CBN News[/URL]
[URL="https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/09/22/clarkson-headlines-gilas-pool-for-upcoming-fiba-window"]Gilas will be playing against Lebanon on the road on August 25, before hosting Saudi Arabia on August 29 at the Mall of Asia Arena.[/URL] Clarkson will play in both games, giving Filipinos a chance to see the former NBA Sixth Man of the Year in person.
– via [URL="https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/09/22/clarkson-headlines-gilas-pool-for-upcoming-fiba-window"]ABS-CBN News[/URL]
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/9/23298856/what-kind-of-win-total-could-the-utah-jazz-expect-next-season-2022-23-nba-season-western-conference[/url]
[QUOTE]That started Utah’s current streak of six straight playoff appearances.
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thanks Rudy! :bowdown:
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/09/how-the-kevin-durant-saga-is-really-good-for-the-utah-jazz/[/url]
[QUOTE]If you were an NBA GM, would you rather have Mitchell or Durant? Again, Durant is the better player, but Mitchell has been nothing short of a class act in Utah. He[URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34043904/donovan-mitchell-surprised-disappointed-sources-say-quin-snyder-leaves-utah-jazz"] got along with coach Quin Snyder[/URL], put aside his differences with Rudy Gobert, and made the playoffs every season, and is endeared by fans. On top of that, the asking price for Mitchell is six first-round picks. That’s a huge haul, but the price for Durant is three picks and a “[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-nets-asking-price-kevin-durant-trade-revealed-and-its-huge"]young star[/URL].” Why would you even trade for Durant if you lose your best player in the process? Who will you pair him with? Durant has never played without a star by his side, so asking him to carry a team in his fragile state might drive him to insanity.
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I wouldn't want either
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/08/how-is-a-utah-jazz-star-dealing-with-the-franchise-turmoil/[/url]
star is sure used loosely by some
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGBDpFDDyU&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=fuboSports"]“This is what I’ve been wondering, what the f— are you doing in the offseason?” Tracy McGrady said of Rudy Gobert. “Like, what is your workout?[/URL] I was so mad at Rudy when they were playing against the [Houston] Rockets one year bro and Chris Paul was guarding him in the post. I was mad as s—. He couldn’t do nothing. Bro you’re 7’2″, and a point guard is guarding you. He had no moves.”
– via [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGBDpFDDyU&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=fuboSports"]YouTube[/URL]
[URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-salaries-free-agency/"]CJ Elleby signed a one-year, fully non-guaranteed $1.84M contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/nba-salaries-free-agency/"]Alberto De Roa @ *********[/URL]
Patrick Beverley is not one to whine about getting moved from one team to another. The Utah Jazz guard recently addressed claims from fans about how the Minnesota Timberwolves “did him wrong when in fact that sentiment goes completely against how he views and interprets his offseason fate. [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-news-patrick-beverley-fires-back-at-claims-timberwolves-did-him-wrong/"]Here’s Patrick Beverley going full Jay-Z, referencing the GOAT’s “I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man” bar in explaining why he is thankful to the Timberwolves franchise[/URL].
– via [URL="https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-news-patrick-beverley-fires-back-at-claims-timberwolves-did-him-wrong/"]Rexwell Villas @ Clutch Points[/URL]
[URL="https://globalsportmatters.com/business/2022/08/10/adapt-adjust-kaleb-canales-nba-mexico-coaching/"]Still, Caleb Canales’ decision to leave the NBA and coach in Mexico is not without risk.[/URL] Broadening his experience on an international stage could help him get back to the league and to the job of his dreams, but his leap of faith could also be ignored. Despite a growing stable of foreign-born superstars and the NBA’s expansion to new markets overseas, the league has been slow to embrace coaches with international experience. European champions like David Blatt and Igor Kokoskov came and went last decade, as did successful foreign-born assistants like Etore Messina. “The coaching side, you always have to be ready to adapt and adjust,” Canales says.
– via [URL="https://globalsportmatters.com/business/2022/08/10/adapt-adjust-kaleb-canales-nba-mexico-coaching/"]Global Sport Matters[/URL]
[url]https://kslsports.com/490659/jake-lindsey-joins-grand-canyon-university-after-leaving-jazz/[/url]
[QUOTE]Dennis Lindsey moved into an advisory role for the Jazz in the summer of 2021 shortly before the organization hired Danny Ainge to serve as the CEO of basketball in December.
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anyone still listening to his or O'Conner's advice?
[URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/10/kings-best-partner-utah-jazz/"]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/10/kings-best-partner-utah-jazz/
[/URL][QUOTE]Mitchell would enter Sacramento and immediately be the number one scoring option, although Fox would still be the ball handler. Sabonis would be the anchor down low, and Donte DiVincenzo, Trey Lyles, Chimezie Metu, and Kevin Huerter would round out the lineup, scoring from deep and taking some pressure off the two-star guards.
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Fox was at 23 last year so Mitchell isn't necessarily 1st option. You should run things through Sabonis not the two gunners though
[QUOTE]Plus, if they have Mitchell, they will be competing for several years. Fox, Mitchell, and Sabonis would be the best young big three in the league, so there’s no reason the Kings should hold onto their future. [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holmeri01.html"]Richaun Holmes[/URL] and [URL="https://www.nba.com/player/203084/harrison-barnes"]Harrison Barnes[/URL] are included for salary matching reasons. Barnes only has one year and $18 million left on his deal, so he could play in Salt Lake for a year or negotiate a buyout. Holmes has three years left, and he’s a productive backup center who’s shown some defensive prowess, averaging 1.3 blocks in three seasons as a starter. He’s 28 but could manage the paint as the [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/05/utah-jazz-first-depth-chart-offseason/"]Jazz flounder without Mitchell or Gobert[/URL].
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They have at least a couple young players Danny would probably want. Don't want a guy with 3 years on his contract that's for sure even if he's probably tradable
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/10/reacting-to-three-huge-utah-jazz-mock-trades/[/url]
[QUOTE]Bertans isn’t quite as much of a positive for the future, but with a team option on the third year of his deal, the Jazz would actually be able to save money by unloading Mike Conley’s contract. This trade works out for both teams, as it lets Utah add to their future, while giving Dallas another talented, ball-handling guard, something they severely lack beyond Luka Doncic and Spencer Dinwiddie.
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no on Bertans
[QUOTE]Unless Kevin Durant gets moved before the 2022 season, this would be by far the biggest trade of the off-season, sending superstar Donovan Mitchell to Toronto for three decent players, along with three first-round draft picks. However, given Danny Ainge’s reluctance to budge off the price for the Knicks, it’s highly unlikely that he will settle for just three picks from a team that would immediately become a contender.
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we don't know how much Danny has or will budge from 7 firsts but I'd say he wants at least 4 or 5 not 3
[QUOTE][I][B]Trade 3[/B][/I]
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looks pretty good. I'd rather keep Beasley and give them Clarkson and or Conley though!
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/10/espn-win-projection-utah-jazz/[/url]
[QUOTE]ESPN has the Utah Jazz coming in at 26-56, finishing in 12th place in the Western Conference, still above the San Antonio Spurs, Houston Rockets and Oklahoma City Thunder, placing them right in no mans land – too high to earn a top-three pick, but too low to compete for a genuine playoff spot.
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I could see the current team at that number. If Danny can unload the vets before the season it should be more in the teens!
[URL="https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/34383749/usa-basketball-sets-12-man-roster-august-world-cup-qualifiers"]USA Basketball has picked its 12-man roster for the opening second-round window of World Cup qualifying, as the Americans look to move closer to clinching a spot in the field for next year’s event. Jim Boylen will return as coach,[/URL] assisted again by Ty Ellis and Othella Harrington. The roster will include six players — Michael Frazier II, Langston Galloway, David Stockton, DaQuan Jeffries, John Jenkins and Eric Mika — who were with the Americans for the previous qualifying window in July.
– via [URL="https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/34383749/usa-basketball-sets-12-man-roster-august-world-cup-qualifiers"]Associated Press @ ESPN[/URL]
[URL="https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2022/08/cleveland-cavaliers-holding-player-led-workouts-in-los-angeles-next-week.html"]Collin Sexton — after receiving the Cavaliers’ qualifying offer, making him a restricted free agent — won’t be around the team until there is a contract resolution,[/URL] sources say.
– via [URL="https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2022/08/cleveland-cavaliers-holding-player-led-workouts-in-los-angeles-next-week.html"]Chris Fedor @ Cleveland Plain Dealer[/URL]
Appearing on The Scoop podcast with Darren Wolfson of SKOR North and 5 Eyewitness News, Glen Taylor said new Wolves president of basketball operations Tim Connelly had his eye on multiple impact trade targets, but Gobert was his “number one option.” [URL="https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/wolves-glen-taylor-talks-gobert-mcdaniels-russell-towns.html"]The input of head coach Chris Finch, who expressed confidence in his ability to use Gobert and Karl-Anthony Towns, was also a key factor in Minnesota’s decision to pull the trigger on the blockbuster deal[/URL]. “What I did when Tim and Chris talked to me about this trade is to ask (Finch) is there a system that he knows how to utilize these players,” Taylor said. “And he was very confident that he did understand how to utilize their skill sets, being two big guys. We talked about a lot, so he convinced me that this is something that is going to take us to a winning situation, and gave us the go-ahead to make the trade.”
– via [URL="https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/wolves-glen-taylor-talks-gobert-mcdaniels-russell-towns.html"]Hoops Rumors[/URL]
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[URL="https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/wolves-glen-taylor-talks-gobert-mcdaniels-russell-towns.html"]Asked if he’d like to see D’Angelo Russell sign an extension before the season begins, Taylor said it might benefit both sides to hold off and see how the 2022/23 season goes.[/URL] “(Finch) believes that with the new lineup, and with Russell in that lineup, that he’ll have a much better year just because of the way we’re going to play,” Taylor said. “He says he thinks there’s a big upside for Russell with this group of (players). That’s to his advantage and to our advantage if it works out.”
– via [URL="https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/wolves-glen-taylor-talks-gobert-mcdaniels-russell-towns.html"]Hoops Rumors[/URL]
[URL="https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/wolves-glen-taylor-talks-gobert-mcdaniels-russell-towns.html"]The plan remains for Taylor to hand over control of the franchise to incoming owners Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez in a little over a year.[/URL] The Wolves’ longtime owner said he’s not having any regrets about giving up control of the team as it becomes a more legitimate contender. “No, I don’t have any second thoughts. I think it’s the right thing to do,” Taylor said. “We’ve left some options open that I’ll continue to be involved if I want to be involved, and that suits me just fine.”
– via [URL="https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/wolves-glen-taylor-talks-gobert-mcdaniels-russell-towns.html"]Hoops Rumors[/URL]
[url]https://*********.com/lists/ranking-top-25-small-forwards-2022-23-season-lebron-giannis-kawhi-butler/?itm_source=parsely-api[/url]
[QUOTE]Bogdanovic averaged 18.1 points and 4.3 rebounds in 2021-22 while shooting 38.7 percent from three. His defense was problematic enough, however, that the Utah Jazz were still [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo02.html#pbp"]2.8 points per 100 possessions[/URL] worse with Bogdanovic on the floor last season and an obscene 18.6 points per 100 possessions worse with him in the game during the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
not enough time with Gobert and Conley obviously
[URL]https://kslsports.com/490704/where-will-jazz-timberwolves-finish-in-the-west/[/URL]
[QUOTE][B]Play-In Tournament Teams[/B]
[B]7. Minnesota Timberwolves[/B]
This would be a massive disappointment for the Timberwolves after going all-in to acquire Rudy Gobert from the Jazz, especially after finishing with the seventh seed in the West last season.
But again, the Western Conference Playoff chase will be cutthroat.[INDENT] The [URL="https://twitter.com/utahjazz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]@utahjazz[/URL] have officially traded Rudy Gobert to the [URL="https://twitter.com/Timberwolves?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]@Timberwolves[/URL].
See Ryan Smith's comments on Gobert here, and all the assets heading the Jazz way in the trade.[URL="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TakeNote?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]#TakeNote[/URL] [URL]https://t.co/xyDwX6mnXw[/URL]
— KSL Sports (@kslsports) [URL="https://twitter.com/kslsports/status/1544739636093673474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]July 6, 2022[/URL][/INDENT]
Anthony Edwards should be a year better, Karl Anthony-Towns is a magnificent offensive player, while Gobert offers the best rim protection in the league.
However, head coach Chris Finch will have to prove he can make the pieces fit over an 82-game schedule with some questionable depth on the roster.
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they are easily better than any Gobert led Jazz team who have been a top 6 team. I have them top 4 right now with GS, Suns and Clippers
questionable depth? Gobert/Towns/Edwards/Russell/Reid/Anderson/Prince/McDaniels/Forbes/Nowell/Rivers/Paschall/Layman looks pretty good to me. Who else has got a big 4? Who is deeper than that? We hear every year how incredibly deep the Jazz are and they haven't been close to this roster with Gobert. They were a top 10 D last year without Gobert. They did lose a couple good defenders in the trade but it sounds like Russell was one of the guys who really bought in last year at that end.
[QUOTE]It’s difficult to look at a roster that still features Donovan Mitchell, Bojan Bogdanovic, Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Patrick Beverley, Malik Beasley, and Jarred Vanderbilt and expect it to finish with one of the three worst records in the West next season.
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Where would you expect that roster to finish? It's not good!
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/11/espn-vs-vegas-utah-jazz-win-totals-for-2023/[/url]
[QUOTE]Draft Kings sportsbook places the Utah Jazz at 32.5 wins next season. Are Rudy Gobert and Royce O’Neale really worth 17 games? Those odds could change without any notice, so as soon as the Jazz make a move–if they ever do–the odds could shift depending on what the Vegas people think.
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if Danny has his way it will be closer 40 games Gobert is worth. He was the franchise. They now suck.
[QUOTE]The much more interesting calculation is the one made by the fine folks at[URL="https://www.espn.com/"] ESPN[/URL]. They seem to think the Utah Jazz will only win [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/10/espn-win-projection-utah-jazz/"]26 games next year[/URL]. That’s where the sportsbooks have the Oklahoma City Thunder. Even without Mitchell, I think the Jazz will be better than that.
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Danny doesn't
[QUOTE]The ESPN guestimate is very intriguing for me because ESPN is a news outlet. They have no money to make or gain based on how many people wager on the over or under from their number, so it stands to reason that 26 wins is a very unbiased number. That being said, if you can find a sportsbook that has the odds set in the twenties, I would jump right on that. As the Jazz currently sit, I think they could win 40 games.
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When have they ever been a .500 team without Gobert in the lineup? :facepalm
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/11/could-the-utah-jazz-land-superstar-kevin-durant/[/url]
Durant isn't going to agree to it and Ainge wouldn't do it
[QUOTE]Unless the Jazz don’t have to rebuild? They could trade away all of their new assets and land the league’s biggest superstar. Pairing Durant with Donovan Mitchell would immediately make the Jazz title favorites for the first time ever, but would it be worth it?
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title favorites? :lol
[QUOTE]The Jazz would get [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turnemy01.html"]Myles Turner[/URL], one of the most promising young bigs in the league. They would also get Kevin Durant, who is perhaps the best player in the league and a top-15 player of all time. As payment, the Jazz would send Mike Conley, Jared Butler, Bojan Bogdanovic, Malik Beasley, and their entire cache of Minnesota picks, as well as the Royce O’Neale pick and either their 2027 or 2028 first-round pick.
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He'd actually be a good fit with Vanderbilt to rebound and play inside on offense while Turner blocks shots and shoots 3's. Clarkson starts at the 2? :cry:
[QUOTE][h=2]Utah Jazz: There’s a new big three in Salt Lake City[/h][/QUOTE]
there is? When was the old big 3?
[QUOTE]The Nets would also jump all over this trade. The franchise lost [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-nets-asking-price-kevin-durant-trade-revealed-and-its-huge"]three first-rounders[/URL] and swapped four picks with Houston to get James Harden, who isn’t even on the team anymore. The Rockets own the Nets’ future, so this pick would allow them to steal it back, and they wouldn’t have to worry about Durant sitting out next season if they don’t trade him.
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Nets want more
[QUOTE]Bogdanovic and Beasley allow the Nets to remain competitive. If Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving stay in town next year, Bogdanovic and Beasley help round out the supporting cast of Joe Harris, Seth Curry, and Nic Claxton. They won’t be leading the East, but could still make some noise in the playoffs while having enough picks to slowly restock their roster.
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they want to remain competitive?
[QUOTE][h=4]Point Guard – Patrick Beverly[/h] [h=4]Shooting Guard – Donovan Mitchell[/h] [h=4]Small Forward – Kevin Durant[/h] [h=4]Power Forward – Rudy Gay[/h] [h=4]Center – Myles Turner[/h][/QUOTE]
tiny backcourt and Clarkson and Gay remain. Vanderbilt would start. Someone has to rebound all the misses at both ends. Try again...
[QUOTE]The Jazz would have Jordan Clarkson, Jarred Vanderbilt, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Udoka Azubuike, and Leandro Bolmaro to round off the bench. If Azubuike and Vanderbilt can [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/26/utah-jazz-3-players-break-next-season/"]take a step forward[/URL] next year, this would actually be one of the better benches in basketball.
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why mention Bolmaro who has done nothing yet?
[QUOTE]Even after Durant, Gay, and Beverly decline, the Jazz would still have a solid roster. Turner, Mitchell, and Clarkson would all still be solid players, and if the young bench guys develop, the Jazz actually could compete in the post-Durant years. The trade is very much directed at making the Jazz competitive now, but the team would get to keep some of their most promising young players, avoiding a total rehaul when Durant hangs it all up.
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Turner, Mitchell and Clarkson is a horrible team sorry
[QUOTE]There are still some question marks surrounding this deal. First, would Durant even agree to play in Utah? He has made it clear he wants to go to Miami or Phoenix and chase a ring with minimal effort. In Utah, he would be the clear number one option, and Turner isn’t an All-Star, so Durant wouldn’t get the treatment he is used to.
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Where is Durant not the clear number 1 option? He's arguably the greatest scorer ever
[URL]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/12/ranking-the-top-10-forwards-in-utah-jazz-history/3/[/URL]
[QUOTE][B]8. Al Jefferson[/B]
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the inefficient black hole who played center for Utah ahead of Millsap :roll:
[QUOTE][B]7. Bryon Russell[/B]
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Millsap was the best player on the Jazz after they traded Williams until they let him go to tank. Russell was a nice 3 and D guy on their best teams. Get a clue!
[QUOTE][B]4. Thurl Bailey[/B]
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too high. Great 6th man
[QUOTE][B]3. Carlos Boozer[/B]
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sadly Millsap was better. But that is the Jazz. Bobby Hansen over Griffith and Del Curry and so on
hard to argue with the top 2. How does AK not make the list though?
[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/isiah-thomas-on-why-karl-malone-was-the-weak-link-of-the-utah-jazz/ar-AA10ADeg?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=5648176acd8545bda6ba18fe0440de9c"]Isiah Thomas on why Karl Malone was the "weak link" of the Utah Jazz (msn.com)[/URL]
[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/terance-mann-explains-how-the-clippers-beat-the-jazz-in-game-6-during-2021-playoffs-despite-being-down-25-we-knew-were-mentally-stronger-than-their-team/ar-AA10zIMH?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=6a52d17fd0544ac1b559e6e1e761d6c9"]Terance Mann Explains How The Clippers Beat The Jazz In Game 6 During 2021 Playoffs Despite Being Down 25: "We Knew Were Mentally Stronger Than Their Team..." (msn.com)[/URL]
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/12/23303141/what-richard-jefferson-said-about-a-donovan-mitchell-new-york-knicks-utah-jazz-trade-nba[/url]
[QUOTE]“He’s got all the things you can say, ‘We can build around him,’ right?” Jefferson said. “Maybe not to a championship level, but far better than what we’ve had in our more recent past, right?”
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play-in?
[QUOTE]Jefferson said he feels no team general manager would choose Barrett over Mitchell, but “no one’s going to come to New York to play currently — currently, right now — with R.J. Barrett, currently. I’m not saying that this can’t progress.
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I'll take the younger guy that might play D and pass to an open man
[QUOTE]“People will go play with Donovan Mitchell. People will be like, ‘Oh, if he’s there, OK, like listen, I’ll go team up with that guy.’”
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good luck with that
[QUOTE] Tommy Beer: Stephen A Smith on SiriumXM w/ @Rick Kamla this afternoon when asked about potential Mitchell deal: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]“Utah didn’t want Julius Randle, from what I’m told. They don’t want him.[/URL] The Knicks were willing to unload him. They want RJ Barrett. They want at least 6 1st-round picks.” pic.twitter.com/9Nn7DuwlZe
[HR][/HR] [INDENT] Stephen A Smith on SiriumXM w/ [URL="https://twitter.com/RickKamlaSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]@RickKamlaSports[/URL] this afternoon when asked about potential Mitchell deal:
"Utah didn't want Julius Randle, from what I'm told. They don't want him. The Knicks were willing to unload him. They want RJ Barrett. They want at least 6 1st-round picks." [URL="https://t.co/9Nn7DuwlZe"]pic.twitter.com/9Nn7DuwlZe[/URL]
— Tommy Beer (@TommyBeer) [URL="https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1560057663135928324?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]August 18, 2022[/URL][/INDENT]
[URL="https://*********.com/rumor/utah-doesnt-want-julius-randle/"]14 hours ago[/URL] – via [URL="https://twitter.com/TommyBeer"]Twitter TommyBeer[/URL]
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now they want Barrett?
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14651831]now they want Barrett?[/QUOTE]
All the talk I've seen was they don't want Barrett because you have to immediately pay him. In fact the rumours were that no one really wants Barrett, because you'd likely have to pay him the max and he's not really worth it. If he's your best or 2nd best player then you're probably not getting far (as the Knicks showed).
If anything the Knicks want to unload him more than anyone really wants him.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;14652288]All the talk I've seen was they don't want Barrett because you have to immediately pay him. In fact the rumours were that no one really wants Barrett, because you'd likely have to pay him the max and he's not really worth it. If he's your best or 2nd best player then you're probably not getting far (as the Knicks showed).
If anything the Knicks want to unload him more than anyone really wants him.[/QUOTE]
Hasn't sounded like the Jazz want him or that the Knicks want to get rid of him but it doesn't sound like the Knicks want to trade anyone but Randle and maybe Fournier and Ainge only cares about the picks. Imagine a team with Mitchell and Barrett on max deals. Is it even a play in team in a now stronger east?
[URL="https://www.deseret.com/faith/2022/8/19/23313424/nba-star-thurl-bailey-joins-tabernacle-choir"]Thurl Bailey, former NBA player, sports broadcaster, singer/songwriter and public speaker, is joining the Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square.[/URL] The former Jazzman will greet audiences and distinguished guests before the choir’s weekly performance of “Music and the Spoken Word” on a rotating basis. He will begin welcoming audiences this Sunday at the Conference Center, according to a news release.
– via [URL="https://www.deseret.com/faith/2022/8/19/23313424/nba-star-thurl-bailey-joins-tabernacle-choir"]Trent Toone @ deseret.com[/URL]
Christos Tsaltas: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Simone Fontecchio had another one solid game with Italian national team[/URL] 18 points 7-13 FG 3 rebounds 5 assists 1 steal 19 +/- Italy defeated 96-80 Czech Republic in Hamburg. Utah Jazz forward will be cornerstone in the upcoming Eurobasket. #Italbasket #TakeNote
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/Tsaltas46"]Twitter Tsaltas46[/URL]
[QUOTE] Chris Fedor: [URL="https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2022/08/lebron-james-could-still-find-a-way-to-cleveland-cavaliers-for-a-third-time-wine-and-gold-talk-podcast.html"]The Cavs have had conversations with Dallas about a sign and trade for Collin Sexton.[/URL] But if you’re talking about a sign-and-trade, the Cavs need something back that is going to be valuable to them. And neither the Jazz nor the Mavericks have the pieces that the Cavs would want back in a sign and trade for Colin.
– via [URL="https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2022/08/lebron-james-could-still-find-a-way-to-cleveland-cavaliers-for-a-third-time-wine-and-gold-talk-podcast.html"]Hayden Grove @ Cleveland Plain Dealer[/URL]
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might depend on how much Sexton would agree to but I would think several vets would fit with the Cavs
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/8/19/23312123/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-bojan-bogdanovic-have-utah-jazz-nba-donovan-mitchell-los-angeles-laker[/url]
[QUOTE]For me, the player that stands out as the most valuable in that group is Bojan Bogdanovic. Last season, Bogdanovic put up solid averages of 18.1 points, 4.3 rebounds, and 1.7 assists per game on 45.5/38.7/85.8 percent shooting splits. On the offensive end, Boganovic had one of his most impactful seasons to date: according to Bball Index, Bogdanovic posted a career second-best 3.60 LEBRON WAR and career-high 1.68 O-LEBRON. Off his stellar shooting alone, Bogdanovic can create amazing gravity on the perimeter, spacing out defenses and allowing ball-handlers on his team to drive into the paint with less congestion.
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why even show his rebound and assist numbers? They are awful especially since some call him their PF! :roll:
[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/21/miami-mock-trade-excludes-donovan-mitchell/[/url]
Why even waste time with this shit? Ainge doesn't want a 28 year old with 4 years on his contract. Next
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14652759][url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/08/21/miami-mock-trade-excludes-donovan-mitchell/[/url]
Why even waste time with this shit? Ainge doesn't want a 28 year old with 4 years on his contract. Next[/QUOTE]
Reckon there would be more than a few contenders looking at Bojan, so no need to take back bad deals in the process. Same with Pat Beverly who I reckon gets moved before the season starts too. Conley might be the only one you gotta be a bit less strict with since he's got 2 years at decent money left on his deal.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;14652866]Reckon there would be more than a few contenders looking at Bojan, so no need to take back bad deals in the process. Same with Pat Beverly who I reckon gets moved before the season starts too. Conley might be the only one you gotta be a bit less strict with since he's got 2 years at decent money left on his deal.[/QUOTE]
Toronto is the only team I've saw rumored to actually have interest in Bojan. Conley only has a partial guarantee for year 2. I would think Conley or Beverley will be gone so Butler can play though. I think they can get rid of everyone but it might have to wait for the trade deadline. Running out of time and teams are filling their rosters.
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/8/21/23316012/more-insights-about-the-donovan-mitchell-trade-discussions-between-the-jazz-and-knicks-utah-new-york[/url]
[QUOTE]This is a solid addition for the Knicks. Having a young superstar in New York like Donovan Mitchell would make the KNicks fun again. But they won’t just be fun, adding 10 wins means they’re a consistent playoff team for years, and if there’s one things the Knicks need, it’s some consistency.
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good luck with that. Your D is certain to get worse. Will there be enough balls to keep everyone happy?