so where are the epstein files?

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022800]When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube_share;07JQr5W3970]https://youtu.be/07JQr5W3970?si=lvNhAM9clnf_6bPt&t=1084[/video]

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15022802][video=youtube_share;07JQr5W3970]https://youtu.be/07JQr5W3970?si=lvNhAM9clnf_6bPt&t=1084[/video]

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.[/QUOTE]

Yeah exactly! That video is now making the rounds. And people are starting to now see that Trump himself never really pushed the Epstein stuff, it was just everyone he surrounds himself with.

Which IMO is really scary. Because what that tells us is that everyone around him never even considered that Trump could be implicated and they all literally viewed him as some sin-free messiah. They really bought into all the Q-Anon crap about the evil Democratic pedophile rituals and it never even occurred to them that Trump could be part of that despite having more photos with Epstein than anyone else. It really is very cultish.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15022802][video=youtube_share;07JQr5W3970]https://youtu.be/07JQr5W3970?si=lvNhAM9clnf_6bPt&t=1084[/video]

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.[/QUOTE]

I never watched Oliver because I assumed he was some liberal quack, but this whole video was refreshingly spot on and scarily prophetic.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022800]When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.[/QUOTE]

This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022811]This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.[/QUOTE]

The whole thing has played out a big mess for sure. But he got both Kash and Bongino to declare that Epstein did in fact commit suicide and that there is no list. Perhaps he thought he could use them in that manner. To go in there and then lie.

I think that the people around Trump were so gung ho on the Epstein stuff that it was something he couldn't just brush aside. And this didn't REALLY blow up on him until he blew up on the media for asking about it. That is when everyone really raised and eye brow and said "wtf is happening here".

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022811]This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.[/QUOTE]

i suppose one possibility could be that he didn't learn that he was on the list (in whatever capacity) until he reassumed office and actually had bondi open the files. or in a similar regard, learned that whomever else was on the list, that he then he decided he didn't want implicated for whatever reason.. or said party(s) were subsequently notified and some 'elite agreement' was met. something to that effect.

fly on the oval office wall for real.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022815]The whole thing has played out a big mess for sure. But he got both Kash and Bongino to declare that Epstein did in fact commit suicide and that there is no list. [B]Perhaps he thought he could use them in that manner. To go in there and then lie.[/B]

I think that the people around Trump were so gung ho on the Epstein stuff that it was something he couldn't just brush aside. And this didn't REALLY blow up on him until he blew up on the media for asking about it. That is when everyone really raised and eye brow and said "wtf is happening here".[/QUOTE]

Right but again that's only going to make people even more suspicious. This whole can of worms started when people saw the clear attitude change in Kash and Bongino. That's when it became clear something was up.

You tell me what the safer play would have been:

- Hire some guys nobody heard of and let people continue to speculate on social media

- Hire Kash and Bongino, back them publicly, make it look like you're pursuing the files, then compromise them someway and totally undress them in the public eye. Now they look shady, you look shady, and everyone knows you're hiding something.


Choice B is an extremely weird play if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022822]Right but again that's only going to make people even more suspicious. This whole can of worms started when people saw the clear attitude change in Kash and Bongino. That's when it became clear something was up.

You tell me what the safer play would have been:

- Hire some guys nobody heard of and let people continue to speculate on social media

- Hire Kash and Bongino, back them publicly, make it look like you're pursuing the files, then compromise them someway and totally undress them in the public eye. Now they look shady, you look shady, and everyone knows you're hiding something.


Choice B is an extremely weird play if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

I mean, it does feel like none of it was well thought out at all. It's all very messy.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRvqOg0WgAArv2W.jpg[/IMG]


Proof of this is what would be in there. Her life was threatened, and Epstein was killed over this.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15022807]I never watched Oliver because [B]I assumed he was some liberal quack,[/B] but this whole video was refreshingly spot on and scarily prophetic.[/QUOTE]

Nah not really. He's certainly liberal but does a lot more research and is far more thoughtful than your standard MSM folks.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022783]I'm thinking that probably all the video footage is documented, and we just get the documents. Not the actual footage.

The blackmail angle doesn't make sense to me any more given it is all in possession of the FBI. If just Epstein himself has it? Then yeah he can blackmail everyone in it. But the FBI is too big of an organization for everyone in it to be on board. I actually have a buddy in the FBI and he is a legit very good person.[/QUOTE]

Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022800]When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.[/QUOTE]

This is true for the most part, but Trump does have a few moments in last years campaign where he mentioned it himself directly at rallies, like 3 or 4 times.

Sorry guys but John Oliver is very much a liberal quack with TDS who thinks a woman can have a c0ck. He did an entire show just recently about how men competing in women's sports isn't really an issue and how they don't have any physical advantages.

Long after we're all dead this will be the defining moment he's remembered for:

[video=youtube;HlHo-F1z_aw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlHo-F1z_aw[/video]

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022837]Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?
[/QUOTE]

I think because Bill Clinton is all over it. There is no denying that Bill has just as much going against him in this ordeal as Trump does. And I am sure he is feeling the heat over it.

Obama helped campaign for Hillary, is good friends with the Clintons. And I think that neither side has wanted these files released. UNTIL NOW. I think that enough time has passed, and Bill and Hillary are far back in the rear view now, that we have reached a point where the Dems are willing to sacrifice Bill Clinton.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022837][B]Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?[/B]



This is true for the most part, but Trump does have a few moments in last years campaign where he mentioned it himself directly at rallies, like 3 or 4 times.[/QUOTE]

such a disingenuous logical statement and pathetic tbh.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022840]I think because Bill Clinton is all over it. There is no denying that Bill has just as much going against him in this ordeal as Trump does. And I am sure he is feeling the heat over it.

Obama helped campaign for Hillary, is good friends with the Clintons. And I think that neither side has wanted these files released. UNTIL NOW. I think that enough time has passed, and Bill and Hillary are far back in the rear view now, that we have reached a point where the Dems are willing to sacrifice Bill Clinton.[/QUOTE]

But what about all the other politicians, businessmen and celebrities who were known to hang out with Epstein and visit his island for the big parties? I know the internet has been scrubbed now and most pics of Epstein left is with him and Trump, but that is what he used to be known for in his latter years.

I think most people on the right feel they don't need to discuss with dem voters about elites having been filmed by Epstein raping kids, because you didn't care to begin with and were totally fine with politicians covering this up.
But with this, if Obama covered it up for Bill, then you [I]really[/I] don't need to be focusing on Trump but can instead look at the fall of your own party and try to clean that up. Obama and Biden covered for Bill, then supported Bills wife to be President, then Biden next - and just in this last election you were voting for the candidate supported by Obama.

[video=youtube_share;USxmiEXRdQ0]https://youtu.be/USxmiEXRdQ0[/video]

[IMG]https://i.insider.com/5797ecc94321f1362f8ba80d?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp[/IMG]

[QUOTE=highwhey;15022841]such a disingenuous logical statement and pathetic tbh.[/QUOTE]

In what world wouldn't the sitting US President be told about a billionaire giving up recorded videos of various US elites raping children so he can stay out of jail? Robert Mueller covering for Bill by keeping it a secret from Obama?

Bill Clinton was welcome to speak at the 2024 DNC to endorse Kamala and no one batted an eye. No Epstein questions, none of that. Instead he gets a heroes welcome.

[video=youtube;tvlXfYETuVI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlXfYETuVI[/video]


Don't forget, both the Obamas and the Clintons had a personal chef who accidentally drowned.

I repeat... both the Obamas AND the Clintons... had a personal chef who accidentally [B]DROWNED[/B].

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022849]Bill Clinton was welcome to speak at the 2024 DNC to endorse Kamala and no one batted an eye. No Epstein questions, none of that. Instead he gets a heroes welcome.

[video=youtube;tvlXfYETuVI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlXfYETuVI[/video]


Don't forget, both the Obamas and the Clintons had a personal chef who accidentally drowned.

I repeat... both the Obamas AND the Clintons... had a personal chef who accidentally [B]DROWNED[/B].[/QUOTE]
yeah drowning still happens in this day and age. crazy, i know.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022848]In what world wouldn't the sitting US President be told about a billionaire giving up recorded videos of various US elites raping children so he can stay out of jail? Robert Mueller covering for Bill by keeping it a secret from Obama?[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

[QUOTE=highwhey;15022852]yeah drowning still happens in this day and age. crazy, i know.[/QUOTE]

How many people do you know personally that drowned?

You don't think it's a coincidence that the Obamas AND the Clintons BOTH have a chef who drowned?

Lmao.

:oldlol:

ZenMaster is spiraling :oldlol:


Walls closing in on his hero :roll:

Hey MAGA, Trump just said you are stupid and foolish in a direct quote. Are you just going to take it?

[QUOTE]"It was a hoax. It's all been a big hoax. It's perpetrated by the Democrats and some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net. And so they try and do the Democrats work. The Democrats are good for nothing other than these hoaxes," Trump told ABC's Bruce.[/QUOTE][url]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-blasts-epstein-files-release-supporters/story?id=123799343[/url]

[QUOTE=bladefd;15022856]Hey MAGA, Trump just said you are stupid and foolish in a direct quote. Are you just going to take it?

[url]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-blasts-epstein-files-release-supporters/story?id=123799343[/url][/QUOTE]
He doesnt want their support anymore :lol

[QUOTE]“Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this ‘bullshit,’ hook, line, and sinker. They haven’t learned their lesson, and probably never will, even after being conned by the Lunatic Left for 8 long years,” he wrote.

“Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support any more!”[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/16/donald-trump-dismisses-inquiry-into-jeffrey-epstein-as-boring[/url]




bawler, chewy and zen, how can you still support your hero after this? He hates you.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022854]How many people do you know personally that drowned?

You don't think it's a coincidence that the Obamas AND the Clintons BOTH have a chef who drowned?

Lmao.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

why stop at the chef? their secrete service agents, including while in office and post-presidency spend far more time around them.

wealthy/influtential people tend to hire the same people/companies that are vetted/trusted. it's not a far reach that they both hired the same chef bc that chef was trustworthy. you're reaching.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15022855]ZenMaster is spiraling :oldlol:


Walls closing in on his hero :roll:[/QUOTE]

Oh he's already done, he aligned himself with very popular people who mentioned Epstein over and over and went completely 180 on the subject. If Musk is serious about his new party, there's probably nothing better that could happen than this.

[QUOTE=highwhey;15022859]why stop at the chef? their secrete service agents, including while in office and post-presidency spend far more time around them.

wealthy/influtential people tend to hire the same people/companies that are vetted/trusted. it's not a far reach that they both hired the same chef bc that chef was trustworthy. you're reaching.[/QUOTE]

No you idiot, it wasn't the same chef.

Two DIFFERENT chefs drowned. One was the personal chef for the Clintons, one for the Obamas.

They BOTH had their own chef that drowned.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022860]Oh he's already done, he aligned himself with very popular people who mentioned Epstein over and over and went completely 180 on the subject. If Musk is serious about his new party, there's probably nothing better that could happen than this.[/QUOTE]
So you admit Trump tricked you?

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022860]Oh he's already done, he aligned himself with very popular people who mentioned Epstein over and over and went completely 180 on the subject. If Musk is serious about his new party, there's probably nothing better that could happen than this.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't count out Trump. As much as people are making a stink over this, I think deep down a lot of people understand the nuances and the risk involved. The people on Team MAGA who are holding Trump's feet to the fire on this aren't going to just abandon the MAGA agenda over it. They may respect Trump less than they did before but if he delivers on his other promises I still think he can carry some momentum.

Elon looks bad in this well. This guy claims to know what's being hidden and who's involved but he went along with it and covered it up as well. If he really cared that much he could tell us all what he knows now and stop being coy.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022864]I wouldn't count out Trump. As much as people are making a stink over this, I think deep down a lot of people understand the nuances and the risk involved. The people on Team MAGA who are holding Trump's feet to the fire on this aren't going to just abandon the MAGA agenda over it. They may respect Trump less than they did before but if he delivers on his other promises I still think he can carry some momentum.

Elon looks bad in this well. This guy claims to know what's being hidden and who's involved but he went along with it and covered it up as well. If he really cared that much he could tell us all what he knows now and stop being coy.[/QUOTE]

you're such a cvck. you'd probably get cheated on and think to yourself "maybe deep down i understand the nuances and the risk involved, she has her reasons so i forgive her".

[QUOTE=highwhey;15022867]you're such a cvck. you'd probably get cheated on and think to yourself "maybe deep down i understand the nuances and the risk involved, she has her reasons so i forgive her".[/QUOTE]

I see you gave up on trying to rationalize the chef thing.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15022863]So you admit Trump tricked you?[/QUOTE]

Personally I wasn't holding my breath after he didn't go after anyone in his first term, but the right as a whole is shot and a lot of people are very disappointed and suspicious, like they should be.

Obama would just claim he was unaware. And it could be 100% true. The FBI is it's own entity.

When a POTUS is elected into office, the FBI doesn't approach them and spill out every file they have on everything. They have probably endless information on all sorts of shit. And there are probably certain procedures the POTUS has to take to get a briefing or access, to classify or declassify anything, etc.


I'll tell you this though, there is absolutely a huge internal battle going on within the FBI, because there is no way in hell they released that prison cell footage without understanding the meta-data could be inspected. They released that HOPING to get caught. And it went over the heads of Kash and Bongino who are not tech savy individuals.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022871]Personally I wasn't holding my breath after he didn't go after anyone in his first term, but the right as a whole is shot and a lot of people are very disappointed and suspicious, like they should be.[/QUOTE]
Better late than never I guess.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15022870]I see you gave up on trying to rationalize the chef thing.[/QUOTE]

it's a reach. you're a cvck as well.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022874]Obama would just claim he was unaware. And it could be 100% true. The FBI is it's own entity.

When a POTUS is elected into office, the FBI doesn't approach them and spill out every file they have on everything. They have probably endless information on all sorts of shit. And there are probably certain procedures the POTUS has to take to get a briefing or access, to classify or declassify anything, etc.


I'll tell you this though, there is absolutely a huge internal battle going on within the FBI, because there is no way in hell they released that prison cell footage without understanding the meta-data could be inspected. They released that HOPING to get caught. And it went over the heads of Kash and Bongino who are not tech savy individuals.[/QUOTE]

To think that a billionaire and democrat donor, with a foundation heavily involved with both the Clinton and Gates foundations on various projects, that a guy like that delivers this kind of information after a public trial about him trafficking a 14 year old and the President doesn't know. I call bullshit, it's literally national security given how sensitive the information is.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022882]To think that a billionaire and democrat donor, with a foundation heavily involved with both the Clinton and Gates foundations on various projects, that a guy like that delivers this kind of information after a public trial about him trafficking a 14 year old and the President doesn't know. I call bullshit, it's literally national security given how sensitive the information is.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, maybe not. I'm just telling you that every POTUS before Trump can play the "I didn't know" card.

Trump doubling and tripling down on this is hilarious, dudes completely lost his base :lol

[QUOTE=Off the Court;15022885]Maybe, maybe not. I'm just telling you that every POTUS before Trump can play the "I didn't know" card.[/QUOTE]

And you've already set up an excuse to believe him in case he'd do that, it's very telling. With Trump you keep speculating with about how a Jerry Springer producer lawsuit might be real because you read it in a tweet, but with Obama you're almost bragging about how he could get out of it.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;15022893]And you've already set up an excuse to believe him in case he'd do that, it's very telling. With Trump you keep speculating with about how a Jerry Springer producer lawsuit might be real because you read it in a tweet, but with Obama you're almost bragging about how he could get out of it.[/QUOTE]
I'm definitely not "bragging" and anyone involved with a coverup should be locked up IMO. Throw away the key.

But I have to throw the obvious out there. Because with most of you guys it's like "why did everyone else cover it up?". As though right when they are elected President the FBI approaches them and tells them about everyone Epstein was messing with.

And with Obama and Biden, neither were implicated, so with both of them it would be snooping around to see who and what happened, and it is entirely feasible that they just had more important shit to do.


It is also 100% feasible that both knew everything and have kept that knowledge hidden. And if that is shown? Prison.

Some in the FBI are in trouble here. I am not sure how it works, or what their protocol is. But if they know there are guilty pedos running around and kept silent? I mean, maybe they can do that under the guise of "it would blow the investigation" or something.

Someone or multiple in there knows who killed Epstein. Some of them edited footage. And someone in there purposely released edited footage knowing it would quickly be exposed. So there are some in there who want the truth exposed.

I think what is happening within the FBI, is probably a much more serious ordeal than people realize because everyone is focused on Trump.