[QUOTE=Hawker]This is what I like to see Heilige. Another republican realizing that the republican party is no longer being republican.
Voted 3rd Party people![/QUOTE]
When was the last time a 3rd party candidate won a election.
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[QUOTE=Hawker]This is what I like to see Heilige. Another republican realizing that the republican party is no longer being republican.
Voted 3rd Party people![/QUOTE]
When was the last time a 3rd party candidate won a election.
[QUOTE=Cannonball]When was the last time a 3rd party candidate won a election.[/QUOTE]
When was the last time the democrats or republicans posted a decent candidate?
Probably when Clinton took office. He really didnt really screw up the country.
So since Gore/Bush, there hasnt been one decent candidate on either side. All it takes is people realizing that their candidate (demo/repub) no longer represents them and vote 3rd party to give 3rd parties MORE exposure and hope to destroy the mainstream party system.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is simply not enough for me. It shouldnt be for anybody.
[QUOTE=picc84]I'm just waiting for the first "n!gger" to be dropped by the McCain campaign.[/QUOTE]
Come on man, I don't think he's that kind of person. I do think he's pissed that he's losing... Look at this from his perspective; he's a war veteran who was captured and tortured; his father and grandfather were 4 star navy admirals; he worked his way up through the house and the senate and is now, 26 years later, one of the most powerful senators in the US; his wife is heiress to a multimillion dollar fortune... yet somehow he's losing to a guy who's been in the senate for 4 years and isn't even the senior senator of his own state... To put it another way, he feels like Hillary felt a few months back. There is a sense that this is owed to him and he just can't believe it's being taken away by someone who hasn't paid the same dues he has.
[quote=Heilige]Denali, how do you feel about the new McCain 300 Billion dollar mortgage buy back? Will it work, and how do you think we will be able to pay for it?
I can't speak for anyone else but that 300 billion dollar mortgage buyout has done me in. I was considering voting for him, but am not really sure anymore.
Its ********. First he embraces that damned $700 billion bailout which his cronies grew to over $850 billion and now he wants the government to buy up even more bad debt.
From a strictly political standpoint, I thought that plan hurts his credibility when he claims "Obama is a big spending liberal" and "I want to cut spending and taxes".
I thought it looked bad that one one question he was cutting spending, and the next question he was spending 300 Billion dollars.
His message is and has been inconsistent, and that is why I think he lost the debate.
"My friends, this is straight talk, I'm going to cut 20 billion in earmarks which don't actually raise the budget one dime and replace it with 300 billion in mortgage buyouts"
HELLO! That is too much socialism for me to handle!
Obama doesn't even have to do anything other than to stand by and watch McCain flounder about. McCain is losing this election all on his own.[/quote]
Now my friend, you are starting to understand why I have been unhappy with the republican party in general... It is not the same party that I had supported for years and why I am not voting for McCain/Palin.
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[quote=MaxFly]Come on man, I don't think he's that kind of person. [B]I do think he's pissed that he's losing[/B]... Look at this from his perspective; he's a war veteran who was captured and tortured; his father and grandfather were 4 star navy admirals; he worked his way up through the house and the senate and is now, 26 years later, one of the most powerful senators in the US; his wife is heiress to a multimillion dollar fortune... yet somehow he's losing to a guy who's been in the senate for 4 years and isn't even the senior senator of his own state... To put it another way, he feels like Hillary felt a few months back. There is a sense that this is owed to him and he just can't believe it's being taken away by someone who hasn't paid the same dues he has.[/quote]
His disdain for "that one" is so obvious, its a sign of his weakness. I want my president to look and act presidential, particularly in the face of adversity. If he gets bent over Obama, how is going to look and act in a world stage? How would the world take him seriously?
America needs to be strong in this world with representatives that people respect, not joke about or fear.
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[QUOTE=Cannonball]I think it's a pretty good thing when you're comparing the experience of a Presidential Candidate and a VP candidate.[/QUOTE]
If the top of your ticket weren't so advanced in age, hadn't had health issues in the past, and these weren't such serious times, there wouldn't be a good reason to compare them. However, all those things are true, and Palin has a very real chance of having of assuming the Presidency of that ticket does win.
Also, I reject your premise that I'm comparing experience. I've made it clear that their respective knowledge base is what is really important. Obama has proven, whether you agree with his stances or not, that he has developed ideas and stances on all of the critical issues facing us. Looks like the majority of the electorate agrees and tends to feel that Obama's stances are better.
[QUOTE=SoCalMike]His disdain for "that one" is so obvious, its a sign of his weakness. I want my president to look and act presidential, particularly in the face of adversity. If he gets bent over Obama, how is going to look and act in a world stage? How would the world take him seriously?
America needs to be strong in this world with representatives that people respect, not joke about or fear.
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I agree... I'm not sure he has the proper temperment. The point I was making was that it's not from hatred or deep seated disdain.
Actually, it might be from deep seated disdain. I just don't think that Obama's race is an issue with McCain. It might very well be Obama's age that is the problem.
[QUOTE=Hawker]When was the last time the democrats or republicans posted a decent candidate?
Probably when Clinton took office. He really didnt really screw up the country.
So since Gore/Bush, there hasnt been one decent candidate on either side. All it takes is people realizing that their candidate (demo/repub) no longer represents them and vote 3rd party to give 3rd parties MORE exposure and hope to destroy the mainstream party system.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is simply not enough for me. It shouldnt be for anybody.[/QUOTE]
I happen to think that Gore was a great nominee. You know we only have elections every 4 years, right?
[QUOTE=MaxFly]I happen to think that Gore was a great nominee. You know we only have elections every 4 years, right?[/QUOTE]
I second this.
The reason Gore lost was because the whole Monica/Bill thing and the GOP pushed family values all that conservative BS and we ended up voting for a dumba$$ named W.
I know people are going to point out Somolia etc. but really it was the whole Monica/Bill fiasco.
[QUOTE=MaxFly]Come on man, I don't think he's that kind of person. I do think he's pissed that he's losing... Look at this from his perspective; he's a war veteran who was captured and tortured; his father and grandfather were 4 star navy admirals; he worked his way up through the house and the senate and is now, 26 years later, one of the most powerful senators in the US; his wife is heiress to a multimillion dollar fortune... yet somehow he's losing to a guy who's been in the senate for 4 years and isn't even the senior senator of his own state... To put it another way, he feels like Hillary felt a few months back. There is a sense that this is owed to him and he just can't believe it's being taken away by someone who hasn't paid the same dues he has.[/QUOTE]
Racial epithets are being dropped at republican campaign events, McCain wont even look at Obama, refers to him as "that one", and he's old as hell, grew up in a time when blacks didnt even have civil rights and were getting sprayed with hoses.
I'm not saying McCain is a racist. But if he is one, I wouldn't be surprised.
Would you?
[QUOTE=MaxFly]I happen to think that Gore was a great nominee. You know we only have elections every 4 years, right?[/QUOTE]
He was. He was so great he won.
Err...sorry, Bush. I mean you won, fair and square.
[QUOTE=Cannonball]I think it's a pretty good thing when you're comparing the experience of a Presidential Candidate and a VP candidate.[/QUOTE]
lol you do realize the main role of the Vice President has always been to take over the Presidency if something were to happen to the President, right?
All Vice Presidential candidates should be measured mostly on how well they could fulfill that role if anything :hammerhead:
but hey don't let logic stop you from spouting right wing propaganda catch phrases and poor excuses for hypocritical viewpoints.
I do agree with Maxfly that Palin is likable in a way which i didn't realize before the VP debate. She's just leagues below most serious candidates in how she carries herself, her knowledge, and overall experience. But go ahead talk about her 1 year as Governor, and owning a small business, and Alaska being so close to Russia.
[quote=Hawker]This is what I like to see Heilige. Another republican realizing that the republican party is no longer being republican.
Voted 3rd Party people![/quote]
This goes for Heliege as well, but if there's a silver lining in this for real Conservatives, couldn't it be that if the polls hold true that an entirely new (well, entirely old I suppose) Republican party may come out of this? I've heard R's are losing all over the country in all sorts of former strongholds.
I think people who vote 3rd party are completely retarded. I'm sorry.
You know they have no chance of winning at all. You know this. So why don't you use your vote to where it might actually have some influence? Don't like either dem or repub candidate? Guess what, one of them is going to win anyway. So you might as well vote for who you hate the least. A vote for a third party is useless and pretentious.
[quote=InspiredLebowski]This goes for Heliege as well, but if there's a silver lining in this for real Conservatives, couldn't it be that if the polls hold true that an entirely new (well, entirely old I suppose) Republican party may come out of this? I've heard R's are losing all over the country in all sorts of former strongholds.[/quote]
Honestly, that would be refreshing if its the result... get back to the views of the more traditional Republican party... it would be healthier for the country if this happened!!!!
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