Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81]Everything is better the last 2 or 3 years than it was from about 2000-2005, but it's still not all that.[/QUOTE]

[B]Haven`t seen much change since 1999 and by the Mid 90s one knew that the NBA`s level was going down. Many even precieved that since 1992 the game had gone soft and the league weakend to do to watering down[/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles]
[B]None of them Are Driving On to the Basket or Going 1 on 1, They Are Just Standing There Palming or Holding the Ball[/B]
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[B]Touching is not Handchecking[/B] :oldlol:

[B]This is Real Handchecking: This is How 80s-90s Legends Where Guarded[/B]

[B][U]Barkley`s 56 Points vs Webber-Sprewell-Mullin-Gatling[/U][/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=cAdMW4Hi8yI[/url]

[B]1st they put in a stocky Byron Houston: 6`6 ft/250 lbs...directly brought as a short stocky 6`6 breed to the Warrios to stop Barkley: No Result!

2nd they put in Chris Gatling: 6`10 ft /220-240 lbs: No Result!

*Minutes 1.58 to 2.05 and *Minutes 5.09 to 5.13 = Real Handchecking

*Two Handed Handchecking and a Foul on Both Shots no Call on Chucks Both Realeases.

*Today a Foul even Before Chuck gets those Shot`s Off.

3rd they put in Chris Webber: 6`9ft /245-255 lbs: No Result!

*Minute 6.14-6.19

Not Just Double Handedchecking But[U] Two Handed Pushing[/U]!..No Foul Called [/B]

[B][U]Jordan v.s the 92 Knicks[/U][/B]

[B]Part 1[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=dxBhQKtG2Zo[/url]

[B]Part 2[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=mBKQ4UozGMU[/url]

[B]Knicks Play-Off Way of Treatment on the Bulls[/B]

[B]Part 1[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=CsG2aMwEA6c[/url]

[B]Part 2[/B]

[B][COLOR="Blue"]*No Free Layups, No Free Drives, Handchecking Everywhere + Pushing Everwhere + Holding for Rebounds Everywhere etc[/COLOR][/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=KZLUV_Hc2_I&feature=related[/url]

[B]Resume of the Knick Treatment[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjqMROm9RE&feature=related[/url]

[COLOR="blue"][B]80s Play-Off = No Free Layups, No Free Drives, Handchecking Everywhere + Pushing Everwhere + Holding for Rebounds Everywhere etc[/B][/COLOR]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kYtjs0FqxoM&NR=1[/url]

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[B]Kobe 81 Point Game:

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Touching is not Handchecking[/B] :oldlol:
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You don't understand the rules of basketball. Handchecking is either using your forearm to make contact or your palm. PUSHING is not part of basketball, which is why it has been more highly controlled. Players were starting to push the offensive players.

[QUOTE]HAND CHECKING



[B]Hand checking continues to be a concern and needs to be addressed. Hand checking, if allowed, leads to rough play if not penalized.[/B]


Each year the game is being played with more intensity by bigger and stronger players. [B]By rule, a player may not hold an opponent as the rules have no provisions for ignoring contact when a player impedes an opponent from making normal movement on the court.[/B]

[B]
Players need to understand that placing a hand on the offensive player’s body and “steering” them in a different direction is a foul. A defensive player using an “arm bar” against an opponent has committed a foul[/B].



Hand checking is not incidental contact. There are numerous advantages gained by a player that is allowed to use their hands in an excessive manner – quicker starts or stops, stopping/slowing or altering the movement of a player, displacing a player, controlling or anticipating an opponent’s next move. These pertain to both offense and defense, on or off the ball.



GUIDELINES


1. Address these at the beginning of the game, issue one warning if no disadvantage to offense and stay consistent throughout.



[B]2. If a player puts a hand on his/her opponent and leaves it there – IT IS A FOUL



3. If a player puts both hands on an opponent –IT IS A FOUL



4. If a player continually “jabs” or “tags” an opponent – IT IS A FOUL



5. If a player uses hands or forearms to guide or direct an opponent – IT IS A FOUL



6. If a defensive player displaces a cutter – IT IS A FOUL



7. In summary: anytime the defense places a hand(s) on an opponent and the opponent’s course is altered – IT IS A FOUL. This applies to both offensive and defensive players. Hand checking always creates an advantage.



For officials not to enforce the rules prohibiting hand checking is a disservice to the game.[/B]


Howard Mayo[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.oreofficials.org/files/sport%20pages/basketball/Hand%20checking.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=eliteballer]You don't understand the rules of basketball. Handchecking is either using your forearm to make contact or your palm. PUSHING is not part of basketball, which is why it has been more highly controlled. Players were starting to push the offensive players.


[url]http://www.oreofficials.org/files/sport%20pages/basketball/Hand%20checking.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

[B]I know that perfectly but what do you say to say on this:[/B]

[B][COLOR="Blue"]"PUSHING is not part of basketball, which is why it has been more highly controlled"[/COLOR]

[B]2. If a player puts a hand on his/her opponent and leaves it there – IT IS A FOUL


3. If a player puts both hands on an opponent –IT IS A FOUL


5. If a player uses hands or forearms to guide or direct an opponent – IT IS A FOUL[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]PUSHING FROM BEHINED DOUBLE HANDED ON BARKLEY + GUIDING WITH HANDS, right here on EVRY PLAY:[/COLOR][/B]

[B]94 Play-Offs:

[U]Barkley`s 56 Points vs Webber-Sprewell-Mullin-Gatling[/U][/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=cAdMW4Hi8yI[/url]

[B]a) 1st they put in a stocky Byron Houston: 6`6 ft/250 lbs...directly brought as a short stocky 6`6 breed to the Warrios to stop Barkley: No Result!

b) 2nd they put in Chris Gatling: 6`10 ft /220-240 lbs: No Result!

*Minutes 1.58 to 2.05 and *Minutes 5.09 to 5.13 = Real Handchecking

*Two Handed Handchecking and a Foul on Both Shots, No Foul Called on either of Chucks Both Realeases.

*Today a Foul even Before Chuck gets those Shot`s Off.

c) 3rd they put in Chris Webber: 6`9ft /245-255 lbs: No Result!

*Minute 6.14-6.19

*Not Just Double Handedchecking But[U] Two Handed Pushing[/U]!..No Foul Called!

[COLOR="Red"]Why is this not allowed today?[/COLOR]:confusedshrug: [/B]

handchecking rule has changed many times before it was taken away 90% in early 2000s. Post up rule especially. After 1992, two hands in the back was no longer allowed on the post up man. No more using your knee to get position in the post. No more shoving or clothesline in the paint. No hard fouls bodying someone. And so on:applause:

[QUOTE=Scott Pippen]handchecking rule has changed many times before it was taken away 90% in early 2000s. Post up rule especially. [U]After 1992, two hands in the back was no longer allowed on the post up man[/U]. No more using your knee to get position in the post. No more shoving or clothesline in the paint. No hard fouls bodying someone. And so on:applause:[/QUOTE]


[B]True Pipp but on Barkley it was allowed in 93-94 :confusedshrug: Check it out[/B]

[B][COLOR="Blue"]"PUSHING is not part of basketball, which is why it has been more highly controlled"[/COLOR]

[B]2. If a player puts a hand on his/her opponent and leaves it there – IT IS A FOUL


3. If a player puts both hands on an opponent –IT IS A FOUL


5. If a player uses hands or forearms to guide or direct an opponent – IT IS A FOUL[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]PUSHING FROM BEHINED DOUBLE HANDED ON BARKLEY + GUIDING WITH HANDS, right here on EVRY PLAY:[/COLOR][/B]

[B]94 Play-Offs:

[U]Barkley`s 56 Points vs Webber-Sprewell-Mullin-Gatling[/U][/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=cAdMW4Hi8yI[/url]

[B]a) 1st they put in a stocky Byron Houston: 6`6 ft/250 lbs...directly brought as a short stocky 6`6 breed to the Warrios to stop Barkley: No Result!

b) 2nd they put in Chris Gatling: 6`10 ft /220-240 lbs: No Result!

*Minutes 1.58 to 2.05 and *Minutes 5.09 to 5.13 = Real Handchecking

*Two Handed Handchecking and a Foul on Both Shots, No Foul Called on either of Chucks Both Realeases.

*Today a Foul even Before Chuck gets those Shot`s Off.

c) 3rd they put in Chris Webber: 6`9ft /245-255 lbs: No Result!

*Minute 6.14-6.19

*Not Just Double Handedchecking But[U] Two Handed Pushing[/U]!..No Foul Called![/B]

[QUOTE][B]NBA Rules History[/B]

[B]1978-79[/B]

[B]Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through “rigid enforcement” of rule allowing a defensive player to retain contact with his opponent so long as he does not impede his opponent’s progress[/B].


[B]1994-95[/B]

[B]Hand-checking eliminated from the end line in the backcourt to the opposite foul line.[/B][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]True Pipp but on Barkley it was allowed in 93-94 :confusedshrug: Check it out[/B][/QUOTE]

I meant officially. According to the rulebook.:applause:

[QUOTE=Scott Pippen]I meant officially. According to the rulebook.:applause:[/QUOTE]

[B]:roll: :cheers: :applause:

Today`s players got it so easy compared to those legends :pimp: :violin: [/B]

[QUOTE][B]NBA Rules History[/B]

[B]1978-79[/B]

[B]Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through

[QUOTE=eliteballer]First of all...Barkley is not getting pushed by two hands on every play. Second, post play by it's nature is more physical because the players are bigger and more stationary.[/QUOTE]

[B]Yes he is. Look at the videos and Minutes

Physical Today? Todays Frontlines Are the Most Borring to Watch, the Game of today has been designed to create (undeservely hyped up ofcourse) more Jordan-Like Perimter Offensive 1 on 1 Drive to the Basket Players. Frontline`s can`t even touch each other anymore.[/B]

The Iceman could have scored 30-40 a night if he played during this era. Gervin was quick and smooth, plus he could handle the physical play, if current NBA players were tough enough. I am glad that I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Watching Ice play was unreal.

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81][QUOTE=madmax]everything is evolving and improving,/QUOTE]

Yeah, America is getting better and better as time progresses..... Music is just getting better and better. Movies are just getting better and better.:lol[/QUOTE]

You just proved the point. The only two other topics you picked to relate to this, were choice topics.

Music and movies are about taste, thus some people will like todays movies, while others will like movies from the past. Sports are not. Sports are simply better now.

Look at the players from the 1960's for example. A majority of the stars even dribbled with their head down, dribble infront of themselves, didn't protect the ball well. Yes, they were legends of their time, but there is no way they could stand a chance in todays game.

80's and 90's definately could. Though once again for wing players, I don't think their FG% would be as high as it was back in the 80's and 90's due to the defense forcing more jumpshots.

[QUOTE]Look at the players from the 1960's for example. A majority of the stars even dribbled with their head down, dribble infront of themselves, didn't protect the ball well. Yes, they were legends of their time, but there is no way they could stand a chance in todays game.[/QUOTE]

That's the usual argument against old-timers, but answer this simple question: Do you believe that these players would still dribble with their head down if they played today? Do you believe Dolph Schayes would shoot set shots? Or that players would follow the practice techniques of their era? Even if they were "transported in time" (an argument that I've repeatedly showed that it sucks big time), do you think that most of those players would be incapable of adapting? Would Bob Cousy or Slater Martin find it [B]that[/B] difficult to perform things that even untalented guys can do, it they needed to do it?
Similarly, would you still use a computer of the capacity of yours if you lived in 2100? Would Napoleon still use musketeers if he was a 20th century general? And the examples go on.