Larry Bird discussion

[QUOTE=Godfather]For that matter I don't believe Magic could do what he did in his era. Magic would be unable to play all 5 positions like he did previously and would be unable to consistently run the point. Instead he would play a role similar to LeBron in the Cleveland passing scheme (be the secondary passer who can rack up assists) also he rebound and point total would also decline in today's game (due to being unable to have such authority around the rim). A player who could succeed in all facets (like I previously stated) was a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone, who possess the all around athleticism to compare to and dominate today's players.[/QUOTE]

So the same Magic Johnson that was 'athletic' enough to matchup with KJ (who would absolutely school any current NBA point guard in, say, the NFL combines for example, or any other measurement for that matter) and Top-50 NBAers Isiah Thomas and John Stockton couldn't hang with Steve Nash or Deron Williams or Chris Paul? LMAO. Could you imagine the fear in little Chris Paul's eyes as Magic brings the ball down the court, knowing he's going to get posted up and owned by the greatest QB in NBA history?

[QUOTE=RonySeikalyFTW]Translation: Larry Bird is white and non-European, so he couldn't be elite today.

That's pretty much the core of any argument against Bird. So let's attack that racist myth. Bird had arguably the quickest and strongest hands in NBA history, lightning fast footwork and reflexes, now is that not athleticism? Since when did vertical leap become the end-all-be-all of athleticism?[/QUOTE]

[B]Everyone said man this Country Boy Can`t Jump, Is Not Very Fast, Is Not the Strongest of 6`9/6`10ers...but then again...what happened?

And this is a time where the NBA had more RUnning Teams, Superior Ball Handlers, Passers, Superior IQ and Fundamentals...A time When Real Fouls Existed, Handchecking Was The Norm and Constant.

What happened?

Bird schooled and destroyed the NBA :confusedshrug:

[U]Today`s game is Slow Half Court-like WHich is exactly [/U] [SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkGreen"]BIRD`S NEST[/COLOR][/SIZE]...That is his Game!, His Mind Gime!...Today`s Players Would be Fallen into His Style of Play except these players have:

ZERO B-BALL IQ, ZERO FUNDAMENTALS, ZERO INTELLIGENCE, ZERO COURT AWARENESS, ZERO BOXING OUT SKILLS, ZERO HEART, ZERO SKILL, ZERO PASSING, ZERO SHOOTING, ZERO CLUTCH when compared to Bird.

Bird would not only benefit more from the Slow Half Court game but the Zone Defense. Bird was a Free Defender that was always in the right place and right time.

To End this:

Bird was Black-Man`s Worst Nightmare to be Humilated By...Exactly What Most Overlooked: :oldlol: :cheers:

[COLOR="darkgreen"][COLOR="darkgreen"]A Slow White Guy that Can`t Jump as the Stereotype[/COLOR][/COLOR]

but he Schooled the NBA :violin:

[COLOR="Orange"]Same with Magic, A Tall INTELLIGENT Black Player that Can`t Dunk Very Nice and Thinks Team 1st[/COLOR]

Stereotype of the Black Man that Jumps High, Does Flashy Dunks and Thinks of Himself Before Winning[/B]

[COLOR="Blue"][B]That is Magic and Bird will always be linked
That is Magic Schooled the NBA at age 36 play PF-Point Guard and humilated actual stars of today`s game in teh 2000s.[/B][/COLOR]


:sleeping

[quote=RonySeikalyFTW]So the same Magic Johnson that was 'athletic' enough to matchup with KJ (who would absolutely school any current NBA point guard in, say, the NFL combines for example, or any other measurement for that matter) and Top-50 NBAers Isiah Thomas and John Stockton couldn't hang with Steve Nash or Deron Williams or Chris Paul? LMAO. Could you imagine the fear in little Chris Paul's eyes as Magic brings the ball down the court, knowing he's going to get posted up and owned by the greatest QB in NBA history?[/quote]

Lol you idiot the hornets wouldn't have Chris Paul guarding Magic Johnson (what is that a 9'' height difference)... I just think in today's game Magic would be an excellent player on an NBA wing directing an NBA offense like LeBron James does (or better), but would not be as efficient of a rebounder and scorer. And I never said anything abour John Stockton and Isiah.

did he pick bird for the PF spot? then i'd have a problem

[QUOTE=Godfather]Garnett is a stick...You cannot tell me Garnett is stronger than Tim Duncan. Duncan is not only physically stronger, but he is also has had superior coaching throughout his career. Don't start an argument about Duncan being that much superior to Garnett because he isn't.

Besides Garnett is 6'11'' and Timmy D is 7'0'' are big men not 6'9'' SF's.[/QUOTE]

[B]Actually Garnett is like 7`0 ft but not as stocky and Tim is like 6`11 1/2 ft and stockier :rolleyes: :hammerhead: but yes Tim is Stronger and Heavier but then again also way slower Garnett can Leap, is Pure Fiber (like a Denni Rodman), Faster, Quicker, More Agil but Duncan can Score Well...Garnett can`t! :violin: [/B]

[quote=Sir Charles][B]

Bird schooled and destroyed the NBA :confusedshrug:

[U]Today`s game is Slow Half Court-like WHich is exactly [/U] [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkGreen]BIRD`S NEST[/COLOR][/SIZE]...That is his Game!, His Mind Gime!...Today`s Players Would be Fallen into His Style of Play except these players have:

ZERO B-BALL IQ, ZERO FUNDAMENTALS, ZERO INTELLIGENCE, ZERO COURT AWARENESS, ZERO BOXING OUT SKILLS, ZERO HEART, ZERO SKILL, ZERO PASSING, ZERO SHOOTING, ZERO CLUTCH when compared to Bird.

Bird would not only benefit more from the Slow Half Court game but the Zone Defense. Bird was a Free Defender that was always in the right place and right time.

To End this:

Bird was Black-Man`s Worst Nightmare to be Humilated By...Exactly What Most Overlooked: :oldlol: :cheers:

[COLOR=darkgreen][COLOR=darkgreen]A Slow White Guy that Can`t Jump as the Stereotype[/COLOR][/COLOR]

but he Schooled the NBA :violin:

[COLOR=Orange]Same with Magic, A Tall INTELLIGENT Black Player that Can`t Dunk Very Nice and Thinks Team 1st[/COLOR]

Stereotype of the Black Man that Jumps High, Does Flashy Dunks and Thinks of Himself Before Winning[/B]

[COLOR=Blue][B]That is Magic and Bird will always be linked
[SIZE=5]That is Magic Schooled the NBA at age 36 play PF-Point Guard and humilated actual stars of today`s game in teh 2000s.[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]


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Magic came back in 1995 not 2000. And for the last ****ing time I said they would be good players in today's game not elite players. They would have an advantage fundamentals wise, but do not compare to the wing athletes of today. And you cannot tell me Bird would have the same impact in the posts today as he did in the 80's.

[QUOTE=Godfather]Lol you idiot the hornets wouldn't have Chris Paul guarding Magic Johnson (what is that a 9'' height difference)... I just think in today's game Magic would be an excellent player on an NBA wing directing an NBA offense like LeBron James does (or better), but would not be as efficient of a rebounder and scorer. And I never said anything abour John Stockton and Isiah.[/QUOTE]

[B]Not as Efficient as Rebounder? :roll: :roll: :applause:

Magic was one of the Strongest Players in the NBA people overlook his Smily Face and Happy Style of Game but to Move Magic out of a Rebound was no easy job even for PFs and Cs and this before he came back [U][I]at age 36! all bulked up at around 255 lbs![/I][/U]

Magic Johnson at age 36 playingthe PF Spot (yes [I]Guarded[/I] Not By SFs, whom are those who Guard Lebron, but [I]PF[/I]s!)

[U]At age 36! Not 32, not 30, not his 20s AND YES....

AFTER NOT PLAYING PRO 4-5 YEARS (not 1 but 4-5!) :roll:[/U]

[U]1996 stats:[/U]

Season:

29.9 MPG (Not 37-40 MPG)
RPG: 5.7
RPG per 36 Minutes: 6.9
TRB%: 11.1% (Lebron`s Highest at age 24 Prime and Healthy is the same: 11.1% playing SF NOT PF, I Repeat NOT PF!)

Play-Offs:

33.8 MPG
RPG: [SIZE="4"]8.5 !![/SIZE]
TRB%: [SIZE="4"]14.5[/SIZE] (Lebron not even Close)

:hammerhead: :banghead: :violin: :sleeping

At age 36!
Not Playin for 4-5 Years
Not as a SF
I reapeat not as SF
but as a PF [/B]

[QUOTE=Godfather]Magic came back in 1995 not 2000. And for the last ****ing time I said they would be good players in today's game not elite players. They would have an advantage fundamentals wise, but do not compare to the wing athletes of today. And you cannot tell me Bird would have the same impact in the posts today as he did in the 80's.[/QUOTE]

[B]:no: What are you 19 years old? :oldlol:

[U][COLOR="Blue"]April 25, 1996[/COLOR][/U]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199604250LAL.html[/url]

36 year old Magic as a PF playing against: Horry, Drexler and Hakeem

Game 1

36 minutes = 13 Rebounds

Game 2

31 Minutes = 7 Rebounds

Game 3

39 munutes = 9 Rebounds

Game 4

38 Miutes = 5 Rebounds

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36 MPG
8.5 RPG

At age 36
Playing PF (not SF)
Not Playin 4-5 Years Pro :hammerhead: :violin: :sleeping [/B]

[QUOTE=Godfather]Magic came back in 1995 not 2000. And for the last ****ing time I said they would be good players in today's game not elite players. They would have an advantage fundamentals wise, but do not compare to the wing athletes of today. And you cannot tell me Bird would have the same impact in the posts today as he did in the 80's.[/QUOTE]

Listen, I'm not going to beat this into the ground, but Magic and Larry are two of the consensus top 10 players in NBA history. Only Tim Duncan of current NBA players even approaches the top 10. You say they couldn't compete with the wing players of today, well lets flip that script. How would these wing players of today fare in the 80s? I'm guessing not that good. They'd be pile-drived into the hardwood and I don't put too much faith in their ability to adjust. Since defensive game-planning rules the day these days because, simply put, most of today's stars have proven they can't adjust to a defensive game-plan (Kobe, Lebron), I don't think they'd fare too well in different eras where they'd have to actually adjust their game. Fact is, you couldn't game-plan for Magic or Larry Legend, who were masters of adjusting their game to fit their teams' or the game's needs. They were always one step ahead. That's why no one ever waited for Magic or Larry to win a ring, yet all you hear today is "can Kobe win without Shaq?" and "who will LeBron be with in 2010?"

[QUOTE=RonySeikalyFTW]Listen, I'm not going to beat this into the ground, but Magic and Larry are two of the consensus top 10 players in NBA history. Only Tim Duncan of current NBA players even approaches the top 10. You say they couldn't compete with the wing players of today, well lets flip that script. How would these wing players of today fare in the 80s? I'm guessing not that good. They'd be pile-drived into the hardwood and I don't put too much faith in their ability to adjust. Since defensive game-planning rules the day these days because, simply put, most of today's stars have proven they can't adjust to a defensive game-plan (Kobe, Lebron), I don't think they'd fare too well in different eras where they'd have to actually adjust their game. Fact is, you couldn't game-plan for Magic or Larry Legend, who were masters of adjusting their game to fit their teams' or the game's needs. They were always one step ahead. That's why no one ever waited for Magic or Larry to win a ring, yet all you hear today is "can Kobe win without Shaq?" and "who will LeBron be with in 2010?"[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Blue"][B]Bird is a Top 6 All Time EFF Player get that straight people :rolleyes: [/B][/COLOR]

[B][U]Shaq and Duncan are the one Real Great Players in the NBA (those guys are comparable to guys like Bird, McHale, Magic, Kareem, Charles, Jordan, Hakeem, Stockton, Malone etc)[/U]

Then you have the Garnett`s, Lebron`s, Kobe`s, Dirk`s, Wade`s...

Below that scale the Nashe`s etc[/B]

[COLOR="Blue"][B]Including the Greatest Finals Series In NBA History in Part 1, Ever![/B][/COLOR]

[B][SIZE="4"]1984 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]Celtics[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="Orange"] Lakers[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=JV4GGoFGU4E&feature=related[/url]

[B]Part 2[/B]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=QNh3wbRrn-8&feature=related[/url]

[B]Part 3[/B]

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B]Greatest Team of All Time: 1986 Boston Celtics[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[url]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=jKSy3QjXQa4&feature=related[/url]

Sir Charles, All that **** you wrote doesnt change the fact Duncan>Barkley

so are you gonna change your name to larry legend now?

[QUOTE=AItheAnswer3]Sir Charles, All that **** you wrote doesnt change the fact Duncan>Barkley[/QUOTE]

[B]:no: Shot Blocking and Interior Defense is not enough to be better than Barkley because Barkley is Better than Duncan in all the rest of things which are more than two :confusedshrug: [/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]:no: Shot Blocking and Interior Defense is not enough to be better than Barkley because Barkley is Better than Duncan in all the rest of things which are more than two :confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]

Since you consider Barkley the GOAT PF from 86 to 96 why didnt he make the All-NBA 1st team every year? Also if you look at career achievements Duncan flatout kills Barkley. Though I agree Duncan didnt have it as hard as Barkley did.