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[QUOTE=EricForman]sorry, Jordan's 63 in the PLAYOFFS against the eventual champs, and also one of the top 5 greatest basketball teams OF ALL TIME , is more impressive than his 69 or Kobe's 81 against the worse team in the league in the regular season.
And Jordan fans, why even waste breath arguing with Kobe fans, Jordan has done so much more besides the 69, hell I'm a huge Jordan fan and I don't even care about the 69, he has had at least 10-15 more memorable or better performances, most of them when it mattered, WITH THE CHAMPIONSHIP on the line, so let Kobe fans have their 81, it'll be like the way Tmac fans always bring up their 13 in 35 EVERY FREAKING TIME Tmac is being compared to another player. After a few more years of .500 ball and first round exits, that's all the Kobe fans will have.
I can just picture it, in 2009 or so--
Lebron fan: Damn Lebron, back to back MVPs, led his team to the finals, averaged 30 10 and 9 for a whole season.
Kobe fan: So, remember when Kobe had 81?
it's gonna be like that, they're gonna hold on to the 81, that's all they have right now.
I love how one dimensional their thinking is too, it's like we can be arguing who's a better player, and Duncan fans will bring up their team success/win % with Duncan, Lebron fans will bring up his many upsides (youth, athletism), Wade will bring up his amazing performance in the Finals, generally, most fans will have something legit to bring up, something that usually lasts more than one game or has been proven over a few seasons.... Kobe fans wlil just jump in and go "OH YEAH, WELL CAN LEBRON SCORE 81? NOP HE CAN'T" and act like that's enough to justify Kobe as the most important player in the league. Come on man, Duncan barely scores 21 and I'd take Duncan over Kobe every game every time ( and so would most NBA execs, GM, coaches)[/QUOTE]
who started this thread? was it a kobe fan? NO. and Kobe had done alot more than 81 to be remembered for, haters like you are bringin up kobe's 81 and how insiginificant it was, when you damn well if Lebron or wade had that, you and others would be all over their nuts. you seem to be puttin words into our mouth, kobe's arguement against the rest of them cats is not his 81 pts game and all that, hes actually more skilled than lebron/wade and plays 10x better defense, clutchness, etc... keep dreaming about that scenario in 2009...Im sure Kobe proved you wrong before and will prove you wrong again
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[QUOTE=ManUtd]Kobe doesn't have the will? Go **** yourself you ignorant, unknowledgable ****.[/QUOTE]
lol, why are you angry like saying "kobe doesnt have the will" isthe most ridiculous statement ever?
what happened in game 7 this year?
I also came up with a fool proof way to counter the Kobe fans about game 7.
Since Kobe had such a quiet, downright bad second half, in the most important game of the year. you can only come to two conclusions--
1: He tried his best but that mediocre second half was all he could do
2: He didn't try his best
so what is it man, did he try his best but stunked it up in game 7 or did he not try his best ? either way, either he ain't that good or he quit... i'm choosing the latter, but I want you, Kobe fan to choose.
[QUOTE]so you take 63 in a double-OT loss over 81 or even 69 points in a win? If so, you're one dumb ****[/QUOTE]
It doesn't necessarily mean I "take" losing over winning, you moron. It simply means I believe the 63 point performance was more impressive than the 69 and the 81 because of the competition and the situation. Maybe your dumba** hasn't figured it out yet, and alot of Kobe 81 point lovers have not, but regular season usually tend to be a lot less competitive than the playoffs, especialy when a team is already out of contention (like the raptors). Jordan dropped 63 on one of the top five teams of ALL TIME (think about it for a second, top five nba team ALL TIME in the history of all teams), yes it would have been nicer if the Bulls had won that game, but you can't use the bulls lost to simply discredit the performance as impressive. 81 vs the worse team in the league in a meaningless regular season, or 63 against a TOP FIVE TEAM ALL TIME PLAYING THEIR ABSOLUTE HARDEST....... I take 63. You probably wouldn't understand though, cause you're a moron.
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[QUOTE=hotsizzle]who started this thread? was it a kobe fan? NO. and Kobe had done alot more than 81 to be remembered for, haters like you are bringin up kobe's 81 and how insiginificant it was, when you damn well if Lebron or wade had that, you and others would be all over their nuts. you seem to be puttin words into our mouth, kobe's arguement against the rest of them cats is not his 81 pts game and all that, hes actually more skilled than lebron/wade and plays 10x better defense, clutchness, etc... keep dreaming about that scenario in 2009...Im sure Kobe proved you wrong before and will prove you wrong
again[/QUOTE]
Just because you didn't use the 81 points to justify everything doesn't mean most Kobe fans on here don't. Remember, most Laker fans on here are morons. There was a thread a while back debating player you'd most want on your team, I wrote a two paragraph stating solid numbers that Duncan has simply won more and won enough to put him on a historic leve (with bill russell and shaq, im talking about career win %, not number of rings), throw int he fact that Duncan has won over 50 games EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER and has done it with multiple supporting cast, including some not-so-great cast, Duncan was the clear choice.
Then some clown Laker fans claims Duncan can barely score 21, let alone 81 so he's not overrateed and aint as good as Kobe. I mean come on, you can't say you don't read sh*t like that on here. People are morons, they only look at stats, they think because Duncan only averaged 18 and 10 last year he's no longer a top 10 player.
I'm sorry, Kobe quit in game 7 this year, so let's stop the "will to win" crap. I'm from LA, and you Laker Kobe bandwagon jumpers annoy me to no end.
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[QUOTE=EricForman]Just because you didn't use the 81 points to justify everything doesn't mean most Kobe fans on here don't. Remember, most Laker fans on here are morons. There was a thread a while back debating player you'd most want on your team, I wrote a two paragraph stating solid numbers that Duncan has simply won more and won enough to put him on a historic leve (with bill russell and shaq, im talking about career win %, not number of rings), throw int he fact that Duncan has won over 50 games EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER and has done it with multiple supporting cast, including some not-so-great cast, Duncan was the clear choice.
Then some clown Laker fans claims Duncan can barely score 21, let alone 81 so he's not overrateed and aint as good as Kobe. I mean come on, you can't say you don't read sh*t like that on here. People are morons, they only look at stats, they think because Duncan only averaged 18 and 10 last year he's no longer a top 10 player.
I'm sorry, Kobe quit in game 7 this year, so let's stop the "will to win" crap. I'm from LA, and you Laker Kobe bandwagon jumpers annoy me to no end.[/QUOTE]
I'll give you the first two paragraphs because some laker or kobe fans are like that, but not all are.
I dont agree with the last statement whatsoever. Look at it this way, Kobe had 23 in the first half...and they were down 15, he had to change his style because obviously it wasnt working. Now, I agree that it was wrong because he leaned towards sharing the ball too much. he didnt find the balane. He was unaggressive and didnt show much drive at all. For this I blame Kobe, and I'll admit to that. But there is no way, no way, he would even think of quiting. He hasnt done if for 10 yrs, even when him and shaq were having problems, kobe would always be the one sparking the 4th qtr comebacks...no reason to believe he would quit now. BUt hey, answer this honestly, if kobe would have went out firing in the second half...I guarantee your arguement would be "See, Kobe went back to his old selfish self..blah blah blah"
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[QUOTE]It doesn't necessarily mean I "take" losing over winning, you moron. It simply means I believe the 63 point performance was more impressive than the 69 and the 81 because of the competition and the situation. Maybe your dumba** hasn't figured it out yet, and alot of Kobe 81 point lovers have not, but regular season usually tend to be a lot less competitive than the playoffs, especialy when a team is already out of contention (like the raptors). Jordan dropped 63 on one of the top five teams of ALL TIME (think about it for a second, top five nba team ALL TIME in the history of all teams), yes it would have been nicer if the Bulls had won that game, but you can't use the bulls lost to simply discredit the performance as impressive. 81 vs the worse team in the league in a meaningless regular season, or 63 against a TOP FIVE TEAM ALL TIME PLAYING THEIR ABSOLUTE HARDEST....... I take 63. You probably wouldn't understand though, cause you're a moron.[/QUOTE]
putting up huge stats while losing is meaningless. Isn't that what Kobe haters say all the time? btw, did he even have 50 by the end of regulation that game?
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[QUOTE=hotsizzle]who started this thread? was it a kobe fan? NO.[/QUOTE]
I started this thread and I do like Kobe, I think he is the best SG in the game, but I'm neither a hater or his biggest fan. He is what he is.
The thread was started not to say which is more impressive scoring 81 points in regulation or 69 points in OT. Obviously scoring 81 is more impresive in terms of scoring.
However Jordan grabbed 18 rebounds and had 6 assists among other better numbers during the 69 point performance (refer to 1st post in thread). So the general question is not who is a better scorer, but what impresses you more, a complete game scoring 69 or a dominant 81 point scoring performance. Obviously by the response to this thread there are two catergories of people. One who:
1) Thinks scoring outweighs everything else
2) Is more impressed by a complete game
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[QUOTE=xxxSuperStar]
However Jordan grabbed 18 rebounds and had 6 assists among other better numbers during the 69 point performance (refer to 1st post in thread). So the general question is not who is a better scorer, but what impresses you more, a complete game scoring 69 or a dominant 81 point scoring performance. Obviously by the response to this thread there are two catergories of people. One who:
1) Thinks scoring outweighs everything else
2) Is more impressed by a complete game[/QUOTE]
I think you should further narrow the focus of the question, making sure that people who respond are addressing the stats solely. When you ask who had the more impressive performance, as someone mentioned earlier, a number of factors are involved, not just the stats. Jordan scored 69 points, grabbed 18 rebounds, helped his team to a decent size lead, but inspite of his performance, his team almost lost the game when the Cavs came back and sent the game to overtime. Bryant scored 81 points leading his team back from a large deficit, helped them gain a large lead and revitalized his teammates who were dead prior to his run. Arguments can be made on both sides concerning who had the more impressive performance.
You should simply state that you want to focus on the stats and that you want to confirm that Jordan's game was statistically more impressive that Bryant's.
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[QUOTE=MaxFly]I think you should further narrow the focus of the question, making sure that people who respond are addressing the stats solely. When you ask who had the more impressive performance, as someone mentioned earlier, a number of factors are involved, not just the stats. Jordan scored 69 points, grabbed 18 rebounds, helped his team to a decent size lead, but inspite of his performance, his team almost lost the game when the Cavs came back and sent the game to overtime. Bryant scored 81 points leading his team back from a large deficit, helped them gain a large lead and revitalized his teammates who were dead prior to his run. Arguments can be made on both sides concerning who had the more impressive performance.
[B]You should simply state that you want to focus on the stats and that you want to confirm that Jordan's game was statistically more impressive that Bryant's[/B].[/QUOTE]
I know that Kobe had a more impressive scoring game and Jordan had a more impressive statistical game already. That's simple to see. I just wanted to know what impresses people more, the scoring or the complete game.
Both teams won their game so I put that as a wash considering, like you said, the Lakers were down 20 to one of the league's worst teams in the first place and the Bulls need OT to win against a good team. When anybody puts up monster scoring games (55+) the games are usually close. I mean you rarely see somebody score a ton in a blowout for a variety of reasons.
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even tho this argument is stupid.....
MJ basically as a rookie dropping 63 on possibly the Greatest team of all time still amazes me. the only team that comes close to the 86 Celtics are the 96 Bulls.
i didnt even know who Jordan was when i was watching that game on tv. only thing i knew was that the Celtics were the greatest team on earth.
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this is crap, there are a lot of teams that are as good as the 86 celtics.
most of the 60s celtics are, wilt's sixers from 67; lakers from 1982, 1985 and 1987; bulls from 1992, sixers from 1983, lakers from 2001, lakers from 1972, there are a lot of teams as good or better than the 86 celtics.
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[QUOTE=lakers-city]this is crap, there are a lot of teams that are as good as the 86 celtics.
most of the 60s celtics are, wilt's sixers from 67; lakers from 1982, 1985 and 1987; bulls from 1992, sixers from 1983, lakers from 2001, lakers from 1972, there are a lot of teams as good or better than the 86 celtics.[/QUOTE]
lol keep believing that.
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the lakers won 5 rings in the 80's 2 of them against boston, they are obviously better.
the celtics won 11 rings in the 50s and 60s, they are obviously better.
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[QUOTE=hotsizzle]I'll give you the first two paragraphs because some laker or kobe fans are like that, but not all are.
I dont agree with the last statement whatsoever. Look at it this way, Kobe had 23 in the first half...and they were down 15, he had to change his style because obviously it wasnt working. Now, I agree that it was wrong because he leaned towards sharing the ball too much. he didnt find the balane. He was unaggressive and didnt show much drive at all. For this I blame Kobe, and I'll admit to that. But there is no way, no way, he would even think of quiting. He hasnt done if for 10 yrs, even when him and shaq were having problems, kobe would always be the one sparking the 4th qtr comebacks...no reason to believe he would quit now. BUt hey, answer this honestly, if kobe would have went out firing in the second half...I guarantee your arguement would be "See, Kobe went back to his old selfish self..blah blah blah"[/QUOTE]
Hotsizzle, I have respect for you. You are indeed a legit "laker/kobe" fan. One of VERY FEW on this board. I apologize to YOU for generalizing Kobe fans as clowns on this board.
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[QUOTE=EricForman]Hotsizzle, I have respect for you. You are indeed a legit "laker/kobe" fan. One of VERY FEW on this board. I apologize to YOU for generalizing Kobe fans as clowns on this board.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the praise and the respect. :cheers:
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[QUOTE]If I saw Kobe's 81 point game on dvd I'd be willing to pay up to $7 for it. On the other hand, I wouldn't even waste my time watching Jordan's 69 point game in overtime.[/QUOTE]
Dumbfuk Jordan's videos outsell Kobe's videos probably by 10:1
