What is Kobe's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3 in the finals?

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]i'll bite:

1. jordan
2. russell
3. magic
4. kareem
5. wilt
[B]6. duncan
7. shaq[/B]
8. bird
9. hakeem
10. kobe[/QUOTE]

Please expand on this, what's the criteria you used in making such a bold deliberation?

[QUOTE=crosso√er]Please expand on this, what's the criteria you used in making such a bold deliberation?[/QUOTE]

what do you mean?

i'll assume that its because i have duncan over shaq.

simple. duncan won just as much with less. 11 straight seasons of 50 or more wins. 4 titles as the number 1 option vs 3.

mostly though. defense. i have duncan as one of the 5 greatest defenders of all time. shaq "might" crack the top 50. that gap is huge. duncan could do everything on defense....and he did.

i could go on and on. shaq had a better peak....but duncan is the overall better player.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]what do you mean?

i'll assume that its because i have duncan over shaq.

simple. duncan won just as much with less. 11 straight seasons of 50 or more wins. 4 titles as the number 1 option vs 3.

mostly though. defense. i have duncan as one of the 5 greatest defenders of all time. shaq "might" crack the top 50. that gap is huge. duncan could do everything on defense....and he did.

i could go on and on. shaq had a better peak....but duncan is the overall better player.[/QUOTE]

This.


Although, I don't agree with the "Duncan won with less"...Which shows you could be punishing Shaq for having good teamamtes...But having good teamates can take away from your statistics aswell so...

All in all...I agree that Duncan>>>Shaq...imo

[QUOTE=Poochymama]What the heck??? By far the most logical thing I've ever seen this kid post. Did someone hack his account???[/QUOTE]
Kid? STFU. :facepalm

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Had Kobe played for the Wizards his entire career and won 0 championships, this same board wouldn't even have him in the top 15,
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lol. People have Kobe that high because he's an incredible player individually. Kobe could have 0 Chips and he'd be in the top 15 simply based on his accomplishments, peak/prime play, and playoff performances. Kobe haters are retarded.

[QUOTE]What is Kobe's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3 in the finals?[/QUOTE]

Better than Jordan's legacy.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol. People have Kobe that high because he's an incredible player individually. Kobe could have 0 Chips and he'd be in the top 15 simply based on his accomplishments, peak/prime play, and playoff performances. Kobe haters are retarded.[/QUOTE]


I completely agree, but your'e kind of missing my point. Kobe is simply a better player than the guys in the 10-15 era. 15 was an exaggeration needed to get my point across, but even still, my point is that, if Kobe played with the Wizards people would undervalue him for the same reasons they overvalue him now, championships.

IMO, Kobe's rightful spot based on level of play is 5-7. What I'm saying is that had he won 0 championships, theres no way most people would rate him that high, even though he is that good of a player.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol. People have Kobe that high because he's an incredible player individually. Kobe could have 0 Chips and he'd be in the top 15 simply based on his accomplishments, peak/prime play, and playoff performances. Kobe haters are retarded.[/QUOTE]
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What? I don't get it. People routinely have guys like Barkley, West, Oscar, Malone,Robinson in the top 15 and they all won 0 or only 1 ring. Considering the fact that Bryant is just as good a player as them, and maybe even better than some (arguably) it seems pretty clear that people would still have as top 15 All-Time just based on his tremendous play and longevity. :confusedshrug:

Iverson stan. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Jacks3]What? I don't get it. People routinely have guys like Barkley, West, Oscar, Malone,Robinson in the top 15 and they all won 0 or only 1 ring. Considering the fact that Bryant is just as good a player as them, and maybe even better than some (arguably) it seems pretty clear that people would still have as top 15 All-Time just based on his tremendous play and longevity. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
The fact that you expect to drop Kobe in washington and never win a ring but produce in the same fashion over his career is at best laughable.

"Oh, carry the load from Day One Kobe!! You'll be fine."

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[QUOTE=ginobli2311]i'll bite:

1. jordan
2. russell
3. magic
4. kareem
5. wilt
6. duncan
7. shaq
8. bird
9. hakeem
10. kobe[/QUOTE]

ha, i remember when you had kobe at like 14 back in june