Wilt the "Choker"

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]

The '83 Sixers maybe. The only centers I can remember Chamberlain applauding after he retired were Moses Malone, Kareem, Olajuwan and Shaq.


[I]Mushroom cloud over Staples!! [/I][/QUOTE]

Mushroom-boy, his name was "OLAJUWON"...

[QUOTE=millwad]I don't need to read Wilt's own biographers book to know that you are lying. I wanted proof of Wilt blocking 15-20 skyhooks in that series and you gave me a source which proved that you lied...:facepalm

[QUOTE=jlauber]10 on Kareem in TWO games, and the in that third Cherry credits Wilt with FIVE of the KNOWN NINE blocks against Kareem. That's FIFTEEN. In THREE of their SIX games. [/QUOTE]

Give me the proof of Cherry crediting Wilt with the 5 blocks (skyhooks), even though I don't really find him credible. Anyway, it still doesn't say anything about skyhooks and especially not about 15-20 of them.

[QUOTE=jlauber]
And once again, how about the SOURCE that credited Wilt with ELEVEN skyhook blocks in TWO of those games...and a second source with 23 in that series?

If they are somehow false claims (and you and I both know they are not) where are YOUR sources disputing them?[/QUOTE]

Idiot, I don't need no source, you're the one spamming about this fake event and therefor I once for all wanted you to prove it to me and you failed big time. And please give me the source that confirmed that Wilt blocked 11 skyhooks in two of those games?

It's just like I thought, you made an own conclusion as usual..:facepalm

[QUOTE=BlackJoker23]prime millwad>prime wilt[/QUOTE]

What a great way to join the 1000 post club! :cheers:

I admire Wilt as a player but Jbieber has taken his crap about Wilt too far.

Incidently, Julizaver who studied the google archives recorded EVERY H2H game between Wilt and Kareem...

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170340[/url]

He found 14 more blocks on Kareem by Wilt (and yes, the assumption being the skyhook) in just FOUR of those other games.

So that makes 24 that he recorded PLUS we KNOW that Chamberlain had at LEAST FIVE more in game six of the WCF's, as well, making 29.

He also made an interesting comment on his research...

[QUOTE]* Blocked stats are collected from archive newspapers articles (as most of the data), NBA doesn't kept track of blocked shots before 1973/74 season. [B]I have some blocked shots numbers ( for example [B]if Wilt blocked 20 shots - 11 of Jabbar in two consecutive games in 1972 WCF [/B]- and if that were the game 5 and 6 - it will be like Wilt had 11 blocks (4 against Jabbar) in game 5 and 9 blocks ([COLOR="DarkRed"]7[/COLOR] against Jabbar) in game 6[/B]. But since if I am not able to cross checked it I did not put that data. [B]Also I find in the forum info about Wilt blocked 8 shots in game 1 of 1971/72 regular season[/B], but I was not able to find evidence in google news archive search,so again I do not post it.
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So, as we can plainly see, Wilt was ROUTINELY knocking the SKYHOOK all over the gym.

[QUOTE=jlauber]Incidently, Julizaver who studied the google archives recorded EVERY H2H game between Wilt and Kareem...

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170340[/url]

He found 14 more blocks on Kareem by Wilt (and yes, the assumption being the skyhook) in just FOUR of those other games.

So that makes 24 that he recorded PLUS we KNOW that Chamberlain had at LEAST FIVE more in game six of the WCF's, as well, making 29.

He also made an interesting comment on his research...



So, as we can plainly see, Wilt was ROUTINELY knocking the SKYHOOK all over the gym.[/QUOTE]

You idiot, so your proof was one site that didn't prove what you lied about. And your other source is a random poster on ISH and then you assume that those blocks were skyhooks...

Haha, you really embarrassed yourself this time..:facepalm

Great proof, haha.. Next time I'm going to prove anything I'm definitely gonna use a random site as a source who doesn't even prove my theory and then my other source is gonna be a random poster on ISH...:facepalm

YOU CAN'T PROVE IT.

And the guy clearly wrote; [QUOTE][U][B]But since if I am not able to cross checked it I did not put that data. Also I find in the forum info about Wilt blocked 8 shots in game 1 of 1971/72 regular season, but I was not able to find evidence in google news archive search,so again I do not post it.[/B][/U][/QUOTE]

He didn't find evidence.. :facepalm

[QUOTE=millwad]You idiot, so your proof was one site that didn't prove what you lied about. And your other source is a random poster on ISH and then you assume that those blocks were skyhooks...

Haha, you really embarrassed yourself this time..:facepalm

Great proof, haha.. Next time I'm going to prove anything I'm definitely gonna use a random site as a source who doesn't even prove my theory and then my other source is gonna be a random poster on ISH...:facepalm

YOU CAN'T PROVE IT.

And the guy clearly wrote;

He didn't find evidence.. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I have provided evidence. YOU have provided NOTHING. In fact, I will continue to claim Chamberlain blocked 15+ skyhooks in that series (and it was obviously more) until someon refutes it. I have given the sources...you have given nothing but lies.

So, ...Chamberlain blocked 15+ skyhooks in that series alone, and quite likely 50-100 of them in their 28 H2H meetings. In fact, there is video footage of Wilt blocking TWO within a couple of seconds. Kareem shooting a career .464 against Wilt, and shot-jacking 30+ times a game in the process, is proof enough that an OLD Wilt was INTIMIDATING him, as well as knocking the "unblockable" sky-hook all over the gym.

[QUOTE=jlauber]I have provided evidence. YOU have provided NOTHING. In fact, I will continue to claim Chamberlain blocked 15+ skyhooks in that series (and it was obviously more) until someon refutes it. I have given the sources...you have given nothing but lies.[/QUOTE]

That's not any proof, your sources proved that you're full of BS. Not even your own source confirmed your nonsense, you clown. Your source didn't even say anything about skyhooks to start with. I owned you so much time and you got owned by your own source.

You little ph4ggot, you spammed about 15 blocks a la the skyhook but even your source proved that you lied and it didn't say anything about skyhooks to start with. SO OWNED...

[QUOTE=jlauber]
So, ...Chamberlain blocked 15+ skyhooks in that series alone, and quite likely 50-100 of them in their 28 H2H meetings. In fact, there is video footage of Wilt blocking TWO within a couple of seconds. Kareem shooting a career .464 against Wilt, and shot-jacking 30+ times a game in the process, is proof enough that an OLD Wilt was INTIMIDATING him, as well as knocking the "unblockable" sky-hook all over the gym.[/QUOTE]

He didn't block 15 skyhooks in that series, ph4ggot...

[QUOTE=jlauber]I have provided evidence. YOU have provided NOTHING. In fact, I will continue to claim Chamberlain blocked 15+ skyhooks in that series (and it was obviously more) until someon refutes it. I have given the sources...you have given nothing but lies.

So, ...Chamberlain blocked 15+ skyhooks in that series alone, and quite likely 50-100 of them in their 28 H2H meetings. In fact, there is video footage of Wilt blocking TWO within a couple of seconds. Kareem shooting a career .464 against Wilt, and shot-jacking 30+ times a game in the process, is proof enough that an OLD Wilt was INTIMIDATING him, as well as knocking the "unblockable" sky-hook all over the gym.[/QUOTE]

Yes Jstrawgrasper, you did provide evidence to your claim that Wilt infact blocked Kareem (in the double digits). Where in your news clippings does it state that any of those shots were skyhooks though, never mind 15 of them?

If Kareem is getting his shot volleyballed to the tune of 5 per game, Kareem would look stupid going to easier to block move/shot when Wilt is guarding him. Do yall think Kareem had an IQ problem? Jus sayin.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]If Kareem is getting his shot volleyballed to the tune of 5 per game, Kareem would look stupid going to easier to block move/shot when Wilt is guarding him. Do yall think Kareem had an IQ problem? Jus sayin.[/QUOTE]

I get where you're coming from!
Although that season Kareem really didn't have huge problems scoring on Wilt. Kareem averaged 40 points on 50% shooting in the regular season against Wilt and he even had a 50 point game so it wasn't like he was completely shut down.

And that's not even the reason why I questioned Jlauber's "facts", it's because he's been spamming everyone like crazy about Kareem getting 15-20 skyhooks blocked during that series and when he's asked to show his proof he did it in a pathetic manner.

His proof was a random site (god knows where the got the boxscore from) where it said that Wilt blocked 10 of Kareem's shots. So his proof only told us that Kareem got 10 shots blocked (nothing about skyhooks) in the series and suddenly the supposed FACTS became conclusions made by Jlauber.

I know what you're meaning, Pointguard and I am sure he blocked many of Kareem's shots but Jlauber is really taking his conclusions too far. It's one thing to assume something and it's a whole other thing to act like his assumption is a fact..

I don't think Wilt blocked Kareem's sky hooks... 15 is like too many. 1-3 is a possibility.

Some people on this forum just have problems.

Oh yes, Wilt blocked skyhooks. I saw it myself, & he did it every season they played against each other. It was [I]stupefying to behold.[/I]

See for yourself.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYq4CWeWaKg[/url]

About the mentioned shot-blocking stats of Wilt against Kareem it is from old newspapers finding data from Google news archive search. The most data is from Milwaukee Sentinel and Milwaukee Journal plus LA Times (but the last one is a paid one and I have no access to it, so I tried different tricks to gain data from it)

What I was able to find is that Wilt blocked 21 shots of Kareem from 5 playoff games (out of 11). There are certainly more because in Game 2 of 1971 WCF we have information that Wilt blocked "numerous shots, several against Kareem", but do not know the exact number. In 1972 WCF series Wilt blocked Kareem shots as follows:

in Game 3 - 6 blocks
in Game 5 - 4 blocks
in Game 6 - 3 blocks

At that time the word "sky hook" is not used in the newspapers, so we do not know how many of those shots are hook shots, BUT since those games were televised, someone who used to be present at a time or watch it by TV could claim that Wilt really block sky hooks. I am not one of them - but hope one day they will show it in Classic games.
What we have now as a prove is that Wilt blocked 2 hook shots in row by Kareem in that youtube clip.
And also Wilt blocked Kareem hook shot ( LA Times) in their first NBA encounter in 1969.